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Post by Unique on Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:23 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote:We've only been on lock down for about a week, and had mild restrictions for like 10 days, it's too early to tell so far.
if these antibody tests work like they say it will really help so fingers crossed on them.

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Post by CBarca on Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:42 pm

Feel like BC is right although debating about the different regions of the US is a wonderful way to spend an hour. Couldn't help myself.

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Post by Myesyats on Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:53 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Could be considered countries how? All these regions learn the same history, eat many common foods, speak the same language, practice the same sports, watch the same tv shows, etc.

Every country that is sufficiently large has sub-cultures that differ significantly between regions. That doesn't mean they are equivalent to different countries. Exceptions can be made for things like French Canada, Scotland, Catalonia, Basque Country, etc where they do have a legitimate claim at being called a "like a different country".

Yep, 100% with BC on that one aswell

Different accents and subcultures and nature can be found all throughout almost every country.

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Post by Unique on Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:01 pm

@Myesyats wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Could be considered countries how? All these regions learn the same history, eat many common foods, speak the same language, practice the same sports, watch the same tv shows, etc.

Every country that is sufficiently large has sub-cultures that differ significantly between regions. That doesn't mean they are equivalent to different countries. Exceptions can be made for things like French Canada, Scotland, Catalonia, Basque Country, etc where they do have a legitimate claim at being called a "like a different country".

Yep, 100% with BC on that one aswell

Different accents and subcultures and nature can be found all throughout almost every country.
thats true. england is a very small country and we have loads of different accents

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Post by Myesyats on Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:09 pm

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-22/russian-army-to-send-coronavirus-help-to-italy-after-putin-phone-call

The Russian Defense Ministry said that military transport planes would deliver eight mobile brigades of military medics, special disinfection vehicles and other medical equipment to Italy. Russia will also send about 100 military specialists in virology and epidemics


hmm

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Post by Unique on Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:23 pm

how is it the countries that border china are not hit that hard.

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Post by Thimmy on Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:35 pm

@Unique wrote:how is it the countries that border china are not hit that hard.


I think you’ll find that, the more developed the country is, the higher the reported statistics will be. No offense intended towards the countries that border China.

Honestly, I think all of these statistics are inaccurate. Not enough people are getting tested anywhere, and symptoms range from dry throats to severe illness.


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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:36 pm

think the growth isn't exponential anymore so yeah I assume the measure do have an impact

but at the same time, I think from a certain number of cases upwards now testing and the statistics based on it loses grip on reality, as numbers show testing capabilities rather than actual infections

Number of deaths will be the stat to watch in the future, not number of infections

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Post by Unique on Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:02 pm

@Thimmy wrote:
@Unique wrote:how is it the countries that border china are not hit that hard.


I think you’ll find that, the more developed the country is, the higher the reported statistics will be. No offense intended towards the countries that border China.

Honestly, I think all of these statistics are inaccurate. Not enough people are getting tested anywhere, and symptoms range from dry throats to severe illness.
yeah thats a good point. Thumbs up

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:19 pm

So here's a map of how much testing US states have been doing, and the number is really incredibly low outside of NY
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2020/coronavirus-testing-by-state-chart-of-new-cases/

Which is why it's no suprise it LOOKS like the virus is only exploding in NY

but for example Michigan have only done 4000 tests, and of those 2000 have been positive ffs, 50% Shocked

Does one have to fear for Detroit, @McLewis ?

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Post by RealGunner on Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:30 pm



Fantastic news. Seems like the lock down is working in the UK. Who would have thought?
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Post by Unique on Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:39 pm

@RealGunner wrote:

Fantastic news. Seems like the lock down is working in the UK. Who would have thought?
we have been in lock down for 2 days and i hope it works out but its really early days yet.

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Post by M99 on Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:07 pm

Prince Charles got it. He's 71...

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Post by Unique on Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:16 pm

@M99 wrote:Prince Charles got it. He's 71...
dont worry he has had his vaccine Wink

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Post by Unique on Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:54 pm



now thats lock down Shocked

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:48 am

@Unique wrote:how is it the countries that border china are not hit that hard.
warm weather slows down the spread, south korea had intense testing efforts, japan took precaution very seriously

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Post by Robespierre on Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:26 am

The German newspaper Bild published an interactive map that it'  s created on the basis of anonymous mobile operator data

Mobility has decreased more in green areas, weaker in red regions: citizens have behaved differently, especially in large cities
Red = many people move
green = few people move

You can notice how there is a substantial difference between Western landers and Eastern landers. As if there were still 2 different states in Germany

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Post by Nishankly on Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:35 am

@Unique wrote:how is it the countries that border china are not hit that hard.


Because literally no one likes China well except Pakistan and they keep attacking these countries and hell, they still want the South China sea to themselves.

aka no free border movement, this isnt the EU


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Post by Nishankly on Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:40 am

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Unique wrote:how is it the countries that border china are not hit that hard.
warm weather slows down the spread, south korea had intense testing efforts, japan took precaution very seriously


First part is unverified and probably untrue. Its just that these countries including Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore have better governments than the west.

Look at Thailand, Australia and Malaysia, heat isn't stopping anything. The rest of countries in Asia still have winter with 20 deg C in most countries.
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Post by Sri on Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:08 am

@Robespierre wrote:The German newspaper Bild published an interactive map that it'  s created on the basis of anonymous mobile operator data

Mobility has decreased more in green areas, weaker in red regions: citizens have behaved differently, especially in large cities
Red = many people move
green = few people move

You can notice how there is a substantial difference between Western landers and Eastern landers. As if there were still 2 different states in Germany

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Very interesting. Here's the chart: https://deutschland-bleibt-zu-hause.teralytics.net/?date=2020-03-24&ref_date=2020-03-17

Try playing around with the dates in the link - think 17 is the starting date, and they have data till 24 March so far.

I see more of a north vs south difference, rather than a strict east vs west difference that your screenshot shows. Then again, each choice of start and end dates in the map paints a different picture.


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Post by Sri on Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:16 am

@Nishankly wrote:
@Unique wrote:how is it the countries that border china are not hit that hard.


Because literally no one likes China well except Pakistan and they keep attacking these countries and hell, they still want the South China sea to themselves.


It's not like Pakistan loves China, rather that their economy has not collapsed only BECAUSE of Chinese support - be it for military (coming in where US interests receded) or economic (China having its own strategic reasons).

Most other neighbors of China dislike the way they project their power and enforce their will (eg. South China Sea), or were greedy in signing up for Chinese loans and are now stuck in massive debts. In some cases, China even "bought out" allies that India took for granted - eg. Maldives, Nepal, Sri Lanka, before Modi's charm offensive tried to wrestle back some of that initiative.

India imports TONS of Chinese goods, but has very limited direct flights and connectivity to China (Himalayas help). The virus came to India from Europe (mainly) and US.

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Post by Nishankly on Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:23 am

Majority of the virus came to India from Dubai

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Post by Nishankly on Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:40 am

India looks pretty good right now tbh, most cases seems isolated.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:42 am

@Sri wrote:
@Robespierre wrote:The German newspaper Bild published an interactive map that it'  s created on the basis of anonymous mobile operator data

Mobility has decreased more in green areas, weaker in red regions: citizens have behaved differently, especially in large cities
Red = many people move
green = few people move

You can notice how there is a substantial difference between Western landers and Eastern landers. As if there were still 2 different states in Germany

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Very interesting. Here's the chart: https://deutschland-bleibt-zu-hause.teralytics.net/?date=2020-03-24&ref_date=2020-03-17

Try playing around with the dates in the link - think 17 is the starting date, and they have data till 24 March so far.

I see more of a north vs south difference, rather than a strict east vs west difference that your screenshot shows. Then again, each choice of start and end dates in the map paints a different picture.



It has to be pointed out very clearly that the areas shown most red in that map, i.e. where mobility has decreased the least, are also the areas of Germany with by far the lowest population density.

We're talking about the whole Bermuda triangle between Brandenburg, Sachsen-Anhalt, Mecklenburg, Niedersachsen (where not by chance the main nuclear waste dump of Gorleben is situated), we're talking about Mecklenburg-Vorpommern with it's lake districts, the Havelland, the Elbe valley natural preserve areas, the Uckermark nest to the border with Poland formed by the Oder river, the countryside in Holstein, the Thüringer Wald uplands, the Harz mountain range between Hessen and Sachsen-Anhalt.

There are next to no peopple living there, so even if those people move around out of the house as usual, they don't meet anyone else lol.

But it's also true that many of these areas conincide with the former East-West German border, which still constitutes a belt, a green belt or a dead strip, depending on your viewpoint.

Meanwhile, look at the cities, even in the east. They are white to green.

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Post by Babun on Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:07 am

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article206809007/Coronavirus-Bosch-stellt-Schnelltest-vor-Ergebnis-in-zweieinhalb-Stunden.html

Bosch developed a fully automated Covid-19 test kit which takes 2.5h instead of 1-2 days. The mass production will start in april. The diagnosis accuracy is 95%, medical workers don't need to do anything besides taking the probe.

Respirator and fpp3 mask production are on the way. Also, the antibody testing methodology is finished and test kits will be built soon. They are needed to determine to what degree Covid-19 has spread/immunity already exists.

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