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Post by Cyborg Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:28 pm

Arda Guler has to start.

Guler playing won't be the reason the team wins or loses but it's crazy to see a team starving for attacking invention and imagination leaving a player with those qualities on the bench.

Benching Mbappe isn't the solution. Definitely.

The system is the problem and what role Bellingham plays.

There are enough good players in the squad and the youth team to win games.

If Ancelotti doesn't try something new this weekend or doesn't get a good result, he's gone.

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Post by BarcaLearning Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:34 pm

Mbappe n Bellingham are never gonna be dropped, happy to say that Very Happy So its either Rodrygo or Guler plays I imagine. Just read Ancelotti says hes worked out the problem n mainly saying its teamwork n focus on better defending Razz So not sure if thats gonna happen with the current team... as said above the likes of Mendy n Lucas arent good enough n the rest r under performing, together with Mbappe problem... seems not that complex but not easy to fix either, who woulda thought would be this bad... Very Happy

From what I seen in the past Rodrygo is able put in his share of defending, if so then just play him n drop Tchua n have Cama in there if he can be disciplined as well? The others will help... but up front it is really up to Mbappe if he adapts or not... dont see any other way basically, if he stays the same he will continue to flop...
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Post by Clutch Fri Nov 08, 2024 6:10 pm

I know hala has always been anti tchou but hala always has a hyper fixation on a player like varane lol. But seriously, what has happened to him? He was great last year imo

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Post by Myesyats Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:10 pm

Definitely Carlo needs to try out something new, recycling the same lineup and expecting different results has not worked so far

If I were him I'm putting out this lineup:

Fede-Militao-Rudiger-Fran
Modric Camavinga
Bellingham
Rodrygo Vini Mbappe


Actually leave the left wing for Mbappe for once and try Vini as a false 9 who makes runs in-behind. Maybe he is better at staying onside
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Post by futbol_bill Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:40 pm

There is enough desperation at this point, I would try Fede and Camavinga as the laterals.

I agree Guler needs to start.

And why not move Mbappe to Right Wing with either Endick as CF or Bellingham as a false 9


On defense when is Alaba coming back? They had said November. I think Militao has lost something after the ACL. I would try Alaba, when he is available with Rudiger.

I know all of this isn’t feasible, in a lineup, but I do feel Carlo has to try different tactics and lineup. These are just examples of what he could try.
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Post by the xcx Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:00 pm

Now why am I seeing reports as Ancelotti is trying to train Mendy as a midfielder? This is quite obscure
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Post by Cyborg Sat Nov 09, 2024 12:29 am

Myesyats wrote:
Fede-Militao-Rudiger-Fran
Modric Camavinga
Bellingham
Rodrygo Vini Mbappe

I don't want to see Valverde as a right back ever again. What a waste that is.

Bellingham should be in midfield. But I don't think Ancelotti seeing him as a central midfielder.

The fact that Modric is being burdened, at 39 yrs, to bring control to this midfield..

And Rodrygo has looked better playing as a striker than Mbappe
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Post by halamadrid2 Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:23 am



Fml :facepalm:
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Post by Clutch Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:53 am

There's no way

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Post by The Madrid One Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:08 pm

One silver lining to the Militao injury is that when Tchouameni comes back that's where he will have to play the whole season, hopefully leading to the establishment of Fede and Camavinga as our actual deeper center midfielders.

The main problem with Tchouameni is his price tag and the starting player expectations that come with that. From the first videos I saw of him I didn't like him, it was obvious he lacks elite turning ability, ball control/ press resistance (and all that entails), agility, nimbleness, running speed, and his passing is functional within a limited sense at best. We can sell him if we need more money I suppose but he could also be a good squad player that may end up being better as CB than CM.

Hope the best for Militao but I'm starting to see Carvajal, Alaba, and Militao (hopefully not) as all ex footballers, and Mendy and Fran as not good enough. We will probably have to loan and acquire CBs shrewdly who are veterans and in accessible contracts.

We need a new elite RB (ideally 2 RBs), It could be good if we can sell Mendy and Fran for Davies and Gutierrez, a couple of new stop gap CBs, and one more squad CM.

As for how we should play, surely it comes to the 4222 or 4141/4231 with everyone having to pick up their intensity and Vinicius ideally not being indulged defensively.

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Post by futbol_bill Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:43 pm

Well finally they are playing well. Mbappe and Vinicius playing well together. Actually the injuries have helped (at least for today) as Fede better than Lucas, Raul (this kid looks good) better than Militao, Camavinga better than Tchouameni and (for now) Fran better than Mendy.

And that pass from Lunin, just fabulous.

Looks like both Guler and Endick coming into game.
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Post by The Madrid One Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:03 pm

Militao with confirmed ACL injury. With 2 meniscuses affected. Madridista doctor on X estimates 12 month recovery period.



Best wishes to him, I'll consider him a retired player from here on out. The club needs to make better decisions in the transfer market and maybe something is going wrong with the player physical preparation system as well inside the club. Militao got overloaded with playing time.


The club will have to see how we can get the funds to redesign the entire defense. Tchouameni's future pointing more and more towards CB. We prob can't sell him now, too important as a squad player. This might accelerate a high bid selling of Rodrygo perhaps. Stadium naming rights? I remember last month there were rumors Perez might be thinking of restructuring club governance structure too to bring in more money.
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Post by Clutch Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:25 pm

The team is being overworked. Too many ACL injuries for it to be a coincidence. Our team also looks drained compared to other teams

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Post by halamadrid2 Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:34 pm

Camavinga :bow:

Fran played well I thought. Will never be the world's best but helps us win back the ball quickly when we lose it

Valverde could be a magnificent RB if he ever wanted to play that position

Devastating injury for Militao. Another ACL, that must be tough
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Post by Cyborg Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:08 pm

Keep Valverde away from that right back position please. Dont want him to get stuck in that position.

Fran Garcia will work his little heart out for the team.

Camavinga needs to be nailed down as the holder.

Guler came on and you can see he wants to be on the ball. Similar to Modric. He's young and that's the only excuse he isn't starting.

Mbappe looks like he has no confidence. Strange to say that about Mbappe. Still early days. Needs to work harder.

Vallejo wasting space on the bench. Guy should have left years ago.
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Nov 24, 2024 8:01 pm

Lucas, Tchouaméni and Mendy should not be starting for the team from now on
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Post by Thimmy Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:13 pm

Arda vs Leganes

That was a very promising performance from Arda. I feel like many of us expected him to already possess the skill set that we've been missing this season, but he has been used quite sparingly by Ancelotti.

He's young and not quite proven, of course, but it almost seemed like there was a different reason why he hasn't been used more, sooner.
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Post by Pedram Wed Nov 27, 2024 9:57 pm

This team is in crisis. this was the worst match i've seen in the past months.
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:19 pm

We were starting to look like a team again

No offence to the rest of the team but without Vini this team has no consistent creator or goalscorer. We are so dependent on him.

We need go make Jude the focal point until he gets back. Mbappe hasn't earned the right to bring us down until he hopefully finds his feet
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:48 pm

The problem is that it's not just Mbappe. The problem is that everybody yesterday with the exception of Cama and Courtois weren't up to the task.

The level of this team is shockingly bad and the defeats are inexcusable.

4-0 to Barca? 2-0 to Liverpool? 3-1 to Milan? Placed at 24th in the CL and could even not making it to the knockout rounds? Where is this mediocrity coming from? injuries? I'm not entirely sure, but it is still not a valid excuse.

They need to get their acts together and soon.
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Post by Clutch Thu Nov 28, 2024 4:50 pm

Liverpool is arguably the most inform team so it's not too bad but losing to milan 3-1 is malpractice at this point

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Post by The Madrid One Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:25 pm

I took a look at the calendar up until the winter break and it looks harrowing because of the amount of games there are within a narrow time span. Barcelona seem to have it easier in terms of opponents and because they're pretty much qualified in the CL. We need to get Rodrygo and Tchouameni back in as soon as possible, and Camavinga and Vinicius might have something to contribute in the last couple of games. I'm particularly worried for Fede, ungodly the amount of games he's accumulated throughout the last few years.

Yesterday's performance from Camavinga was brilliant and again, it came from the position I've been saying for years that he'd be more optimized from as a midfielder. Playing as an inverted, behind the ball central defensive midfielder. He has more of the pitch open for his left foot, by virtue of the role and space he has more opportunity to demonstrate his gifts as a defender and as a tackler, and he'll have better angles to come in and shoot from. As a midfielder it will also be easier for him to come into space rather than operate between the lines or beyond them through runs.

I think he can operate pretty well as a LB and LM because of the role expected from there but then as a LCM he looks more jammed because of his brand of one footedness and because his press resistance works better in other parts of the pitch, same thing I always said about Fede.

We still have every competition open but this next month will be a bloody battle that I hope we come out well from.

We need Tchouameni to come in and give rest to Rudiger, Asencio has been an intriguing surprise who needs to keep on giving, and Lucas needs to give Fede some respite. Ceballos has an opportunity to be relevant for once and Modric will have to live up to his old age stubbornness. Endrick needs to be brought into the fold for once now and Brahim and Arda will also have more time to prove their worth. It will be vital of course for Rodrygo to return soon and for Mbappe's issues to clear up more. We should be functional at GK and LB.

A good result up until the end of the year would be round of 16 CL qualification, not dropping more than 2 points in the league, and winning the Intercontinental cup/FIFA CWC or whatever it's name is now.
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Post by Thimmy Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:45 pm

With Jude, Mbappe and Brahim reportedly being injured/feeling discomfort now (can't confirm if true), and our Castilla also going through an injury crisis - how do we line up in our next match?

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Post by the xcx Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:22 pm

Thimmy wrote:With Jude, Mbappe and Brahim reportedly being injured/feeling discomfort now (can't confirm if true), and our Castilla also going through an injury crisis - how do we line up in our next match?

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Post by The Demon of Carthage Sat Nov 30, 2024 7:15 pm

Clutch wrote:Liverpool is arguably the most inform team so it's not too bad but losing to milan 3-1 is malpractice at this point

Not really. Liverpool aren’t as formidable as they're made out to be. I watched them against Madrid, and they didn't exactly strike me as an unstoppable force. Madrid was simply so off-form that it handed them the win. The same thing happened against AC Milan and Barcelona. The reality is that both City and Madrid have regressed so much, even before the injuries.

To find ourselves sitting 24th in the Champions League is nothing short of unacceptable. The same goes for La Liga - losing 4-0 to a team like Barça is a result that defies reason. No disrespect to Barça, but realistically, Madrid should have dominated and won that match given the players we have

I’m not expecting them to win the Champions League every year - we just claimed it last season, after all. But a minimum expectation is to at least make it past this round, secure some prize money, and move on to the knockout rounds. La Liga, however, should be within our grasp, with no valid excuse for falling short. They better win the two games in-hand, move to the top and stay there.

The reality is that too many players are underperforming or are simply out of form, while injuries seem to be at an all-time high. This is no mere coincidence, and it’s high time for a change. The club’s standards must be restored - anything less is a failure.
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