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Post by Zagadka Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:51 pm

@Myesyats wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:First of all, thanks for updating us on that situation. I'm actually very  invested to hear about this, you guys are next door neighbors, I've been to Poland more times than I've been to some German federal states, and I know too little about what's going on.
It's the least I can do at this point
How is the process of challenging the constitutionality of a law/an executive measure in Poland?
It's quite similar to yours, I guess, but theres no point in suing since judges are mostly corrupt.

Also, of course, the composition of this highest court is so crucial, we could see the fatefulness of a corrupt supreme court in the US with the disastrous and momentous Citizen United ruling, I'm sure the PiS would have been busy enriching such a court with as many good staunch clerical-conservatives as they possibly can?
Yes, PiS picks and chooses their own judges and those who oppose them are pressured. Over the years they have also pushed legislations that undermine judicial power.

As for the boldest part, that would be absolutely fucked up.
Secrecy of the ballot is one of the most fundamental democratic rights and principles. How a process that violates that principle so blatantly could be waved through as constitutional is beyond me.
Yes... what can I say. I'm thinking I shouldnt vote in that case, but that would mean less votes against the right. So I'm torn. But they'll probably choose which votes count and which dont anyway, if you know what I mean.

In Germany, there's of course the possibility to vote by mail, but the process IIRC is thatyou send your ballot in an envelope within an envelope containing also your voting card with your info.
That outer envelop is only allowed to be opened to check the legality of your vote, the envelope inside with the actual ballot is given unopened to someone else to be opened and processed.
That is better, obviously, and makes sense. I personally am very much for canceling the elections altogether but PiS knows a crisis is coming and that it will hurt them so they want to entrench their power as quickly as possible.

Surely if the election is decided to be mail-only in Poland, which is surely unconstitutional already for the reason you posted earlier (if the measure to vote this way is due to an emergency state, how can they have an election in the first place), at least such a process must be installed
State of emergency would mean that they'd HAVE TO reschedule the elections so they're not doing it, while the opposition fights for it. Consequently, elections at another time would mean they'd have to face the major consequences of the crisis before the elections which would inevitably hurt them and they are aware of it.


May 11 rule by decree similar to Hungary I feel.

The c*nt Kaczynski wasn't even wearing masks and gloves in the SEJM yesterday.

this Friday is Smolensk 10 year crash anniversary...wonder how they'll hold a parade/memorial without violating the quarantine laws.

but I'm sure they'll find a way. different rules for different people.

btw, I saw a guy drinking coffee on the street given a fine by 2 police officers. Unreal scenes

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:26 pm

@Art Morte wrote:
@Pedram wrote:
@Art Morte wrote:Apparently black people in the US have been proportionally more affected by corona than other groups. Is it because:
a) they live in more crowded suburbs?
b) they don't comply with social distancing rules as well as others?
c) something else?


You got it backwards, afaik American suburbs are actually less diverse and more white, the black population are usually in big cities and the urban centers.


Ah, sorry, I wasn't even thinking about the meaning of suburbs, I was just trying to refer to the areas where they live, where ever that is.

I read the BBC's article about the matter but it was pretty light in terms of explanations.


I imagine it's a combination of living in more dense areas, working jobs more likely to be determined "essential" rather than office work that can be done from home and generally having less access to healthcare (which could lead to pre-existing conditions in addition to making them more vulnerable now).
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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:29 pm

@Zagadka wrote:Anyone else thinks the virus is a bit picky and choose with which genes and DNAs it kills more.

Italians, Spaniards and Iranians (double fatality rate at least, if not triple) and now Turks seem to have been hit very badly with this virus with high mortality rate.

Whereas Germans and Scandinavians of nordic/germanic background seem to cope better with the virus.

Just an observation. Can't comment on East Asians, because who knows what the real number of fatalities in China is


Can't talk for Skandinavians, but with Germans, it's pretty easy, really.
Germans are unsociable people, social distancing is normal for us. We don't visit our grand parents, we don't live with our parents. We don't hang out on the street with friends.
We don't kiss on the cheek as a greeting. We live in houses where there are elaborate fences between the cleanly groomed gardens, and everyone goes where they're going in their car.

I could imagine the basic parameters are similar in Skandinavian societies, if maybe not the underlying mindset.

But yeah, you could always spin a racialist, pseudo-scientific theory out of it, suggesting racial superiority of white people, disregarding any actual meaningful data and going by no data at all, if that's your thing.
Just like black people, and women, are less intelligent, right, as it says in the test?
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Post by Zagadka Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:18 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Zagadka wrote:Anyone else thinks the virus is a bit picky and choose with which genes and DNAs it kills more.

Italians, Spaniards and Iranians (double fatality rate at least, if not triple) and now Turks seem to have been hit very badly with this virus with high mortality rate.

Whereas Germans and Scandinavians of nordic/germanic background seem to cope better with the virus.

Just an observation. Can't comment on East Asians, because who knows what the real number of fatalities in China is


Can't talk for Skandinavians, but with Germans, it's pretty easy, really.
Germans are unsociable people, social distancing is normal for us. We don't visit our grand parents, we don't live with our parents. We don't hang out on the street with friends.
We don't kiss on the cheek as a greeting. We live in houses where there are elaborate fences between the cleanly groomed gardens, and everyone goes where they're going in their car.

I could imagine the basic parameters are similar in Skandinavian societies, if maybe not the underlying mindset.

But yeah, you could always spin a racialist, pseudo-scientific theory out of it, suggesting racial superiority of white people, disregarding any actual meaningful data and going by no data at all, if that's your thing.
Just like black people, and women, are less intelligent, right, as it says in the test?


dude, when the fuck did i suggest such thing? Jesus....not every observation that includes different racial backgrounds, has to do with superiority. You're off your tits. You still have a shit load of cases due to your distant culture, but you ain't dying in droves like the Spaniards and Italians are. So you're catching the mofo, but aren't dying to nearly the same degree so far...hence my observation why that could be. It has nothing to do with white vs. brown vs. black....the biggest victims of covid so far are medditerean folks and indo-Europeans, which are usually counted as "white" fyi. that's assuming China is telling the truth Laughing

I was just making observations how Southern Europeans and Indo-Europeans seem to have seen a much higher mortality rate than Nords and Germans, but who knows you guys are the faking data as I'm reading Germany only reports COVID deaths those who had no underlying symptoms.

Here is what I read basing my observation:

https://www.hawaii.edu/news/2020/04/02/ethnic-group-covid-study/

I don't think University of Hawaii is some KKK group before you go there. There could be some diseases and illnesses which is more hurtful to Nordic and Germanic heritage than others, I am sure too.

another study to a related matter.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.10.20021584v1
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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:23 pm

@Zagadka wrote:.

Here is what I read basing my observation:

https://www.hawaii.edu/news/2020/04/02/ethnic-group-covid-study/

I don't think University of Hawaii is some KKK group before you go there.


That doctor is clearly Finnish lmao
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Post by El Gunner Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:28 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Zagadka wrote:Anyone else thinks the virus is a bit picky and choose with which genes and DNAs it kills more.

Italians, Spaniards and Iranians (double fatality rate at least, if not triple) and now Turks seem to have been hit very badly with this virus with high mortality rate.

Whereas Germans and Scandinavians of nordic/germanic background seem to cope better with the virus.

Just an observation. Can't comment on East Asians, because who knows what the real number of fatalities in China is


Can't talk for Skandinavians, but with Germans, it's pretty easy, really.
Germans are unsociable people, social distancing is normal for us. We don't visit our grand parents, we don't live with our parents. We don't hang out on the street with friends.
We don't kiss on the cheek as a greeting. We live in houses where there are elaborate fences between the cleanly groomed gardens, and everyone goes where they're going in their car.

I could imagine the basic parameters are similar in Skandinavian societies, if maybe not the underlying mindset.

But yeah, you could always spin a racialist, pseudo-scientific theory out of it, suggesting racial superiority of white people, disregarding any actual meaningful data and going by no data at all, if that's your thing.
Just like black people, and women, are less intelligent, right, as it says in the test?


you can already see the coronavirus conspiracy threads and videos of 2030...

"And then the evil scientists specially manufactured the virus to get rid of certain types of races in China's biological warfare against the Europeans."
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Post by Myesyats Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:33 pm

But Sepp isnt white so why would he boast about white superiority? I don't get it but I also dont know the history regarding what El Gunner mentioned.

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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:38 pm

@Myesyats wrote:But Sepp isnt white so why would he boast about white superiority? I don't get it but I also dont know the history regarding what El Gunner mentioned.


He just likes this kind of stuff and probably reads too much alt-right and Neonazi stuff online

also, all this "race" stuff is never about what people actually, biologically ARE
there's no such thing as races
there's different ethnicities, skin colours, physical attributes, in varying distribution, sure
but 'race' is not a scientifically sound category
or rather if it was once a scientific category, that was because that science had a racist impetus
it's about concepts of ordering, dividing, hierarchizing, and dominating people
Italians weren't actually considered white in the US for a while
the Nazis considered themselves Aryan but that was somehow also Nordic, while Aryan historically was some term refering to Indian/Persian people
like Sepp
so go figure


it all doesn't make any sense whatsoever, doesn't stop people from propagating it
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Post by Zagadka Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:44 pm

@Mysteyas I actually don’t believe in such a thing as the White race.

People lump Germanic, Nordic, Slavic, Mediterranean and British genes all as white, but those are soooo different from one another. Hitler didn’t even think so for sure.

Hence this observation that mortality is high in Mediterranean (White) And my own ethnic background ffs...

I think Hans is just playing and sometimes wants to go full Betty on me. :coffee:

Anyways, the final toll from places like Sweden and Belarus will be interesting.. Lukashenko‘s numbers will probably be more trustworthy than China‘s affraid


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Post by Zagadka Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:50 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Myesyats wrote:But Sepp isnt white so why would he boast about white superiority? I don't get it but I also dont know the history regarding what El Gunner mentioned.

He just likes this kind of stuff and probably reads too much alt-right and Neonazi stuff online

also, all this "race" stuff is never about what people actually, biologically ARE
there's no such thing as races
there's different ethnicities, skin colours, physical attributes, in varying distribution, sure
but 'race' is not a scientifically sound category
or rather if it was once a scientific category, that was because that science had a racist impetus
it's about concepts of ordering, dividing, hierarchizing, and dominating people
Italians weren't actually considered white in the US for a while
the Nazis considered themselves Aryan but that was somehow also Nordic, while Aryan historically was some term refering to Indian/Persian people
like Sepp
so go figure


it all doesn't make any sense whatsoever, doesn't stop people from propagating it


You have no FUCKING idea what I read online or what I am like in person. So shut your old mouth and stop judging people and labeling them. The more diplomatic, tolerant, and patient I act to your snide comments, you more vicious you get. Enough is enough old man!!

I've had the decency to admit my mistakes in the past, if I went extreme and apologize to several members for some things I said when I was younger and more of a hot head.

I was sharing observation from a link I read on UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII!!! website and general observations based on the numbers and data we have now. in Hans eyes, that's alt-right, neonazi.

It's amazing...no one is as obsessed with calling others nazis as germans are...makes you think

and I actually agree with you. I don't believe in race, I believe in ethnicity.
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Post by Myesyats Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:52 pm

I think Italy's mortality rate is connected to an old population and them being a very affectionate, touchy culture which is exactly the opposite of Scandinavian countries, especially Finland, where everyone already practiced social distancing before it became cool.

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Post by Pedram Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:58 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Myesyats wrote:But Sepp isnt white so why would he boast about white superiority? I don't get it but I also dont know the history regarding what El Gunner mentioned.


He just likes this kind of stuff and probably reads too much alt-right and Neonazi stuff online

also, all this "race" stuff is never about what people actually, biologically ARE
there's no such thing as races
there's different ethnicities, skin colours, physical attributes, in varying distribution, sure
but 'race' is not a scientifically sound category
or rather if it was once a scientific category, that was because that science had a racist impetus
it's about concepts of ordering, dividing, hierarchizing, and dominating people
Italians weren't actually considered white in the US for a while
the Nazis considered themselves Aryan but that was somehow also Nordic, while Aryan historically was some term refering to Indian/Persian people
like Sepp
so go figure


it all doesn't make any sense whatsoever, doesn't stop people from propagating it


Yeah you're really clutching at straw mate, I don't think there was any ill intention behind what Sepi was trying to point out, speculating on statistics doesn't turn you into a Nazi or alt-right.
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Post by Myesyats Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:04 pm

I'm not saying that Sepp is right (not taking a stance) but I also dont really like putting labels on others so willy-nilly, many these days tend to shut off people as a result of one particular claim but one claim doesnt mean that everything they say is irrelevant and wrong. Thats just a horrible tactic which isnt in line with free speech. So before you call someone a Nazi, you better have damn good reasons for that.

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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:07 pm

@Myesyats wrote:I'm not saying that Sepp is right (not taking a stance) but I also dont really like putting labels on others so willy-nilly, many these days tend to shut off people as a result of one particular claim but one claim doesnt mean that everything they say is irrelevant and wrong. Thats just a horrible tactic which isnt in line with free speech. So before you call someone a Nazi, you better have damn good reasons for that.

Well, my reason is that he literally posted Neo-Nazi propaganda on this very forum in the past

think that should qualify as a "damn good reason"
lmao

anyway, I don't even call him a Nazi, he isn't one. He's flirting with the body of thought though or flirting with people who spread it

it's actually not that complicated, and I certainly don't mean to drag the University of Hawaii into it
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Post by El Gunner Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:15 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Myesyats wrote:But Sepp isnt white so why would he boast about white superiority? I don't get it but I also dont know the history regarding what El Gunner mentioned.


He just likes this kind of stuff and probably reads too much alt-right and Neonazi stuff online

also, all this "race" stuff is never about what people actually, biologically ARE
there's no such thing as races
there's different ethnicities, skin colours, physical attributes, in varying distribution, sure
but 'race' is not a scientifically sound category
or rather if it was once a scientific category, that was because that science had a racist impetus
it's about concepts of ordering, dividing, hierarchizing, and dominating people
Italians weren't actually considered white in the US for a while
the Nazis considered themselves Aryan but that was somehow also Nordic, while Aryan historically was some term refering to Indian/Persian people
like Sepp
so go figure


it all doesn't make any sense whatsoever, doesn't stop people from propagating it


correct, nay Laughing

was just fooling around Wink
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Post by Myesyats Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:18 pm

Alright, I don't think i was there for it. But still, i do think terms like racist, sexit and nazi are thrown around way too lightly these days and are losing their punch or impact if you will, if i'm being honest

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Post by Zagadka Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:18 pm

I've reported your post Hans and putting an end to it. You are incapable of receiving any new information or criticism or even possibilities or thought, you can only transmit. Communication with you only goes on way...and such communication is a complete waste of time and energy. Hell, just less than 1 month ago, you were telling us all how this Coronavirus is no big deal and people are overblowing it accusing me of teenage hysteria!!!...you never admit your mistakes bu love to slam others for their, the definition of a self-centred bigot with zero intellectual curiosity or self-awareness. Go jerk yourself off to sleep repeatedly calling me a neonazi in your bathroom if it makes you feel better.

You simply can't grasp the idea that some people can make mistakes at times and wonder about extremes, especially at younger age, but mature later on and that doesn't define them forever.

You're the type of filth who'd demand someone to lose their job, livelihood, or reputation based on one Tweet they made 10 years ago.

Anyways...

back on topic.

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