Re: The US Politics Thread

[BarrileteCosmico]

Eh Dems will survive. 2026 is probably going to be a good election for them and they'll have an actual competition for spots on 2028. They just need to agree on an agenda that actually solves people's problems, green energy and manufacturing jobs are too niche.

[sportsczy]

Must be a joke right? Why would he own legacy media when he already has twitter and is able to tilt elections? Seems like a downgrade

He wants to own all possible media that can reach people.  It's a common media strategy.  That's why AOL and Time Warner merged at one point, although they screwed it up because AOL was a fraud.   Same with the JV between Microsoft and NBC... but there again, Microsoft lost the battle of online access to social media and Google. Google has Google TV as a cord-cutting strategy as opposed to a typical network.

It's all about filling all the gaps you can to access people.

Likely going to be called the X network or something like that. Competing against YouTube is too hard, or it will take a very long time although X has started a platform, so Musk is looking for other access means.

[sportsczy]

Eh Dems will survive. 2026 is probably going to be a good election for them and they'll have an actual competition for spots on 2028. They just need to agree on an agenda that actually solves people's problems, green energy and manufacturing jobs are too niche.

If the GOP delivers on its promises, it's going to a long time before Dems snif power again.  JD Vance will likely go for another 8 years after Trump leaves.  Congress might flip flop though as it always does.

I'm still holding out hope that we break out of this stupid 2 party system.

[Vibe]

Dems will survive, no problem.

They are very resourceful and have no boundaries.

Won't be surprised if they win in 2028. They have already started working overtime on it.

[Arquitecto]

Musk over George Soros at anytime. Personally hoping he buys it and shuts it down as legacy media is pure cancer as X is the news by this point.

It's a move for political frontage and its obvious.

[BarrileteCosmico]

If Trump delivers on his promises it will be a disaster. 60% tariffs on Chinese products? People will love paying that much more for home goods like microwaves... $3T tax cut? Deficit will explode, interests go up, mortgage rates go up again (there's a reason they stopped falling after Trump won...).

If he actually does what he promised people won't be happy. He was lucky that the first time around the economy was under stimulated and he could get away with his economic populism, but that's not the situation now. If anything you need austerity now, not that he will do that.

[sportsczy]

If Trump delivers on his promises... China backs down and you have a revival of US manufacturing, Russia and Ukraine back down, Iran becomes an afterthought.  US reverses its course from relying on government spending to private spending.

And the beauty is...  

China has no choice but to back down because the US alone represents 29% of global consumer spending.  Zilch they can do and they know it.  It will also become an elegant way to solve a significant portion of the migrant crisis in the US for those who legitimately came into the country with good intentions as there will be jobs for them to fill.  

Ukraine and Russia... both have no choice but to settle.  Ukraine cannot survive without US support while Putin is desperate for a way out.  It's an unwinnable war that needs to end mostly for Ukraine's sake.  The country is ravaged and losing its workforce in this war every single day.  

Iran... Israel killed Iran's influence.  All the US has to do is reassess the sanctions, including asset freezes, and it's all over.  The Iranian people themselves will kick out the regime.

And I love the efficiency program of DOGE because it's been long awaited by both parties.  I love the tax cuts because the resulting spending gap from cutting the federal government spending needs to be filled... and I'd rather it happen in the private sector.  

Love the rest of it too. You're going to see a government restructuring that hasn't occurred since FDR.

US is on its way back baby!

[Myesyats]

Is wanting the entire right side of the spectrum permanently deleted far-left or not yet?

Whenever you heard people claim we should hear from “reasonable people on the left” such as @TheOmniLiberal, show them this clip.

They want us dead and deplatformed.

All of them do. pic.twitter.com/Lcpx5yDD7i

— Chief Trumpster (@ChiefTrumpster) November 16, 2024

[elitedam]

Is wanting the entire right side of the spectrum permanently deleted far-left or not yet?

Whenever you heard people claim we should hear from “reasonable people on the left” such as @TheOmniLiberal, show them this clip.

They want us dead and deplatformed.

All of them do. pic.twitter.com/Lcpx5yDD7i

— Chief Trumpster (@ChiefTrumpster) November 16, 2024

I'm sure Chief Trumpster would never edit anything out of context.



It's been crazy watching you fall into the right wing Twitter rabbit hole in real time, believing any tweet you see as if it came from the Associated Press. You went from thinking Trump was a piece of shit to hoping he'd win the election in a few months. That's pretty impressive, especially since you yourself called out how Twitter had changed and started to push right wing propaganda.

[Pedram]

Is wanting the entire right side of the spectrum permanently deleted far-left or not yet?

Whenever you heard people claim we should hear from “reasonable people on the left” such as @TheOmniLiberal, show them this clip.

They want us dead and deplatformed.

All of them do. pic.twitter.com/Lcpx5yDD7i

— Chief Trumpster (@ChiefTrumpster) November 16, 2024

In the first half of this video, Destiny says he is "pro-genocide" of Palestinians.

In the second half of this video, Lonerbox later asks him if he actually meant what he said.

Destiny doubles-down and confirms that yes, he is pro-genocide. pic.twitter.com/o1q9Zx7l0I

— Psychedelic Socialist (@Acid_Communist) November 11, 2024

Destiny is not left. like he supports Democrats but that doesn't make him left at all. you should listen to some of his streams. he has some nutcase positions on issues that would put him squarely on the far right actually. i as a leftist would definitely not associate myself with this guy.  

[BarrileteCosmico]

Sports no one cares about international relations. What they care about is their pocketbook. If that's worse in 4 years then the other team comes back in.

DOGE won't find the savings Elon promised unless they touch the military or entitlements. Laying off 50% of the non military federal workers will barely touch the budget.

[Myesyats]

Is wanting the entire right side of the spectrum permanently deleted far-left or not yet?

Whenever you heard people claim we should hear from “reasonable people on the left” such as @TheOmniLiberal, show them this clip.

They want us dead and deplatformed.

All of them do. pic.twitter.com/Lcpx5yDD7i

— Chief Trumpster (@ChiefTrumpster) November 16, 2024

I'm sure Chief Trumpster would never edit anything out of context.

It's been crazy watching you fall into the right wing Twitter rabbit hole in real time, believing any tweet you see as if it came from the Associated Press. You went from thinking Trump was a piece of shit to hoping he'd win the election in a few months. That's pretty impressive, especially since you yourself called out how Twitter had changed and started to push right wing propaganda.

You linked the video but it seems you didn't watch it? because the context doesnt change much. He still fundamentally claimed that right wing voices should never be allowed to broadcast again.  The question who decides what is hate speech and who is intentionally "flooding the discourse" is very open-ended. You can pin it to anything you don't like and silence it on these grounds, and it's very common nowadays. AFAIK Candace and Tucker are one of the most popular right-wing outlets so if you advocate that there are only upsides to silencing them you might aswell do it to everyone on that side of the spectrum.

This is not a one-off opinion either, you can create an account on bluesky (a twitter/X breakaway platform for leftists) and see it unravel for yourself. Everything on that app gets flagged as intolerance.

I still think Trump is a piece of shit, but such is the nature of elections that we have an option between only two roads, and right now I see the suppression of dissenting voices and scientific evidence as the more present threat to the world.

I got the results right and I pinpointed Kamala's flaws correctly, while you believed she would win. So do tell me who is in the rabbit hole and who's not.

[Myesyats]

In the first half of this video, Destiny says he is "pro-genocide" of Palestinians.

In the second half of this video, Lonerbox later asks him if he actually meant what he said.

Destiny doubles-down and confirms that yes, he is pro-genocide. pic.twitter.com/o1q9Zx7l0I

— Psychedelic Socialist (@Acid_Communist) November 11, 2024

Destiny is not left. like he supports Democrats but that doesn't make him left at all. you should listen to some of his streams. he has some nutcase positions on issues that would put him squarely on the far right actually. i as a leftist would definitely not associate myself with this guy.  

It makes more sense now.

[elitedam]

Is wanting the entire right side of the spectrum permanently deleted far-left or not yet?

Whenever you heard people claim we should hear from “reasonable people on the left” such as @TheOmniLiberal, show them this clip.

They want us dead and deplatformed.

All of them do. pic.twitter.com/Lcpx5yDD7i

— Chief Trumpster (@ChiefTrumpster) November 16, 2024

I'm sure Chief Trumpster would never edit anything out of context.

It's been crazy watching you fall into the right wing Twitter rabbit hole in real time, believing any tweet you see as if it came from the Associated Press. You went from thinking Trump was a piece of shit to hoping he'd win the election in a few months. That's pretty impressive, especially since you yourself called out how Twitter had changed and started to push right wing propaganda.

You linked the video but it seems you didn't watch it? because the context doesnt change much. He still fundamentally claimed that right wing voices should never be allowed to broadcast again.  The question who decides what is hate speech and who is intentionally "flooding the discourse" is very open-ended. You can pin it to anything you don't like and silence it on these grounds, and it's very common nowadays. AFAIK Candace and Tucker are one of the most popular right-wing outlets so if you advocate that there are only upsides to silencing them you might aswell do it to everyone on that side of the spectrum.

This is not a one-off opinion either, you can create an account on bluesky (a twitter/X breakaway platform for leftists) and see it unravel for yourself. Everything on that app gets flagged as intolerance.

I still think Trump is a piece of shit, but such is the nature of elections that we have an option between only two roads, and right now I see the suppression of dissenting voices and scientific evidence as the more present threat to the world.

I got the results right and I pinpointed Kamala's flaws correctly, while you believed she would win. So do tell me who is in the rabbit hole and who's not.

The very beginning of the clip is edited in a way to make it seem like he wants conservatives dead, when the discussion is more about the shit talking that takes place on Twitter and the hypocrisy of Republicans willing to dish it out but not take it. So I would say the context makes a huge difference.

If the suppression of scientific evidence is the biggest issue for you, wouldn't the climate change denial and the anti-vaccine movement in the Republican Party be dealbreakers?

As for election predictions, I said countless times it was 50-50. I wasn't Reddit levels of delusional about Harris. I remember 2016 very vividly. I knew Trump always had a very good chance.

[sportsczy]

Sports no one cares about international relations. What they care about is their pocketbook. If that's worse in 4 years then the other team comes back in.

DOGE won't find the savings Elon promised unless they touch the military or entitlements. Laying off 50% of the non military federal workers will barely touch the budget.

And they are.  Military audit for the past many years can only account for 60 percent of the money.  Vivek has said that any money that cannot be accounted for is gone from the budget.  So that's step 1.

There's a lot more than just the military though.  10 percent of Federal jobs are remote.  Those are going to be wiped.

Third big one is moving a lot of the jobs that don't need to be in DC or other major cities, out of those places.  The Federal wages are adjusted for cost of living.  So if they move those jobs to cheaper locations, they cut out a lot.  

Finally, the last big one is simplifying the codes so that you don't need compliance departments for them.  That can be done by executive order because a lot of these regulations were done by executive orders... and then the resulting agencies created to implement those executive orders created more regulations.  It's literally a ponzi scheme.  No need for Congress or anyone else to get rid of these.  SCOTUS made that abundantly clear with the Chevron ruling last year.  This will account for almost 1 trillion in savings according to Vivek.

The amount of bloat boggles the mind frankly.  Every congressperson is nervous, Dem or GOP, because this is where politicians steal money.

[sportsczy]

Sports no one cares about international relations. What they care about is their pocketbook. If that's worse in 4 years then the other team comes back in.

DOGE won't find the savings Elon promised unless they touch the military or entitlements. Laying off 50% of the nonmilitary federal workers will barely touch the budget.

Also, of course re the economy.  That's why streamlining spending is so important.  If you don't need as much money to operate, then the federal government doesn't need the tax income and gives breaks to people and subsidizes industries that need it (like agriculture and manufacturing).  But not all of the savings mind you.  The US is overspending so the debt-to-GDP ratio needs to revert back to pre-Iraq war levels if possible.

[Myesyats]

If the suppression of scientific evidence is the biggest issue for you, wouldn't the climate change denial and the anti-vaccine movement in the Republican Party be dealbreakers?

As for election predictions, I said countless times it was 50-50. I wasn't Reddit levels of delusional about Harris. I remember 2016 very vividly. I knew Trump always had a very good chance.

If you mean they're gonna ban vaccines then I dont believe they will

As for climate change, I dont buy into a lot of the doomsdayism. The scientific consensus a little over a decade ago was that we were headed towards 4-5 degrees of warming by 2100, today it's 3 degrees even if we don't reduce emissions at all from the current trend. I think a lot will still get done in the next 20 years and the forecast will get cut in half. It's probably still gonna be not great, but I  believe we will adapt and innovate to mitigate the consequences in a decent way.

[BarrileteCosmico]

@sportsczy



Non entitlement non military expenses are just 8% of the federal government spending.

If they fire every remote worker, relocate to cheaper areas, and eliminate compliance departments that's just a drop in the bucket.

I'm sure there's lots of things to improve, particularly around government efficiency and appropriations. But I can't see Trump decreasing military spending overall since that's a Republican constituency, if he makes efficiencies there he'll just spend the money elsewhere.

So in the end his choices are: lower entitlements to fund his tax cuts for the rich or do the tax cuts anyway and finance it with debt (which is already sky high). Both are bad from a pocketbook for the average American perspective.

Like I said, if he does what he promised the GOP is not winning in 2028.

[Myesyats]

Trump's senior director for counterterrorism nominee Sebastian Gorka:

- calls Putin a 'thug' and says Trump plans to end the Ukraine war by threatening to flood Ukraine with military aid, making current U.S. support look like 'peanuts'

- says "there is no such thing as Palestine, it's a name invented by the Roman Empire"

[Pedram]

Trump's senior director for counterterrorism nominee Sebastian Gorka:

- calls Putin a 'thug' and says Trump plans to end the Ukraine war by threatening to flood Ukraine with military aid, making current U.S. support look like 'peanuts'

- says "there is no such thing as Palestine, it's a name invented by the Roman Empire"

.@DonaldJTrumpJr keeping neocons out of his father’s administration https://t.co/B5JNDKfdLa pic.twitter.com/vaiPfRyC2r

— Dan Cohen (@dancohen3000) November 12, 2024

[Pedram]

Trump's senior director for counterterrorism nominee Sebastian Gorka:

- calls Putin a 'thug' and says Trump plans to end the Ukraine war by threatening to flood Ukraine with military aid, making current U.S. support look like 'peanuts'

- says "there is no such thing as Palestine, it's a name invented by the Roman Empire"

BREAKING: Trump Administration has proposed halting all U.S. weapons deliveries to Ukraine if they do not enter peace talks with Russia. pic.twitter.com/DwjSwYrrCj

— Dominic Michael Tripi (@DMichaelTripi) November 28, 2024

Doesn't look like Trump agrees with him

[Myesyats]

It’s all a ploy. They will say what Pootin asks is unreasonable

[Warrior]

Trump's senior director for counterterrorism nominee Sebastian Gorka:

- calls Putin a 'thug' and says Trump plans to end the Ukraine war by threatening to flood Ukraine with military aid, making current U.S. support look like 'peanuts'

- says "there is no such thing as Palestine, it's a name invented by the Roman Empire"

Seems like a proper asshole this guy

[Pedram]

Unless you’re Israel or Joe Biden’s son https://t.co/paEA1oLIFL

— Owen Jones (@owenjonesjourno) December 2, 2024

Trying his hardest to go down as the worst president in history.

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