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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:11 pm

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UK gov lmao

absolute clowns

Starmer IN


just 4.5 more years to go til the next election

unreal how badly Boris is handling this

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:15 pm

@CBarca wrote:You guys are underestimating both the difficulty of science with respect to a virus like this and also the limited case studies we have for outbreaks like this.

It's one thing to have H1N1 flying around. This is something else. The last time we had an outbreak like this was 1918. We quite literally have very little experience with things of this nature, even if we have many disease control experts.

And generally when we listen to scientists we've been very successful. With respect to outbreaks, you also have a couple questions: 1) how good is the testing, tracing and isolating in that country, 2) how much of the indoor spaces where many people could gather are restricted (bars and pubs especially), 3) what is the mask wearing policy in that country, and 4) exponential growth is slow and hard to observe at first. We also saw California, Arizona, Florida do well for some reason the first time around, and then they opened up and we didn't realize what was occurring until it was too late. The same thing *could* be happening in some places in Europe, but will take time to occur. It could also not happen because public health policies are stronger in Europe.

But we in America are also stupid as fuck.


The UK and Swedend initially "listened to the scientists" too. I think part of the problem is that the public at large acts as if "science" speaks with 1 voice when in reality it's many different competing people with competing hypothesis fighting for who gets proved right, and everyone has a new study that contributes to their own hypothesis which is then disseminated by journalists that cynically share everything with clickbait titles which is then read by the public at large who only really read the headline. So part of the reason "we don't know anything" and "we keep being told different things" is that we take these things at face value rather than critically think about them because that takes time, effort, research and a minimum of education. And ain't nobody got time for that. Including me.

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Post by RealGunner on Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:16 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Firenze wrote:The Coronavirus Thread - Part 3 - Page 37 Fb56bcb189d8912d93b0b7f883593b82

UK gov lmao

absolute clowns

Starmer IN


just 4.5 more years to go til the next election

unreal how badly Boris is handling this


Conservative have gain the lead in recent weeks in voting intention poll which is relatively accurate.

The left don't like Starmer at all and will probably protest vote greens
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Post by Babun on Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:36 am

The number of people complaining about health issues after the Wuhan virus disease is increasing. Most of them were asymptomatic or didn't need hospitalizaiton:
Many Stay Sick After Recovering From Coronavirus
One in 10 people infected with the coronavirus suffers from fatigue, muscle aches or neurological disorders for weeks after surviving an infection. What long-term damage does the virus do to the body?
Source
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There is a report about a German physical education teacher who is a extreme sportsman at the same time (healthy, no underlying issues, young). 12 weeks after, he's got problems to walk straight 1-2km before reaching fatigue. The report is only in German:
https://www.focus.de/gesundheit/jung-fit-ohne-vorerkrankung-sportlehrer-miklas-ueberstand-covid-19-doch-die-spaetfolgen-belasten-ihn-noch-immer_id_12213111.html

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:34 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/16/kemp-georgia-mask-mandates/

Georgia governor forbids counties from requiring masks

Think he just crossed the line between 'negligence' and 'evil'

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Post by Young Kaz on Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:37 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/16/kemp-georgia-mask-mandates/

Georgia governor forbids counties from requiring masks

Think he just crossed the line between 'negligence' and 'evil'


Good.

Hopefully it kills off more of his supporters here. Only way this state can be saved.
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Post by Babun on Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:32 pm

@Young Kaz wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/16/kemp-georgia-mask-mandates/

Georgia governor forbids counties from requiring masks

Think he just crossed the line between 'negligence' and 'evil'


Good.

Hopefully it kills off more of his supporters here. Only way this state can be saved.

Wishing death upon people who have got a different opinion? Laughing

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Post by Young Kaz on Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:35 pm

@Babun wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/16/kemp-georgia-mask-mandates/

Georgia governor forbids counties from requiring masks

Think he just crossed the line between 'negligence' and 'evil'


Good.

Hopefully it kills off more of his supporters here. Only way this state can be saved.

Wishing death upon people who have got a different opinion? Laughing


To be fair though, Your ancestors put millions in ovens for less than the hatred Kemp, and his supporters, push upon the people in our state

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Post by Babun on Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:58 pm

@Young Kaz wrote:
@Babun wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:

Good.

Hopefully it kills off more of his supporters here. Only way this state can be saved.

Wishing death upon people who have got a different opinion? Laughing


To be fair though, Your ancestors put millions in ovens for less than the hatred Kemp, and his supporters, push upon the people in our state


Cute, whataboutism spree again. I never wished death upon anyone and that's what counts. I could give you countless Japanese examples but would bring me down to your level so no thanks :coffee:

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Post by Young Kaz on Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:05 pm

@Babun wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:
@Babun wrote:
Wishing death upon people who have got a different opinion? Laughing


To be fair though, Your ancestors put millions in ovens for less than the hatred Kemp, and his supporters, push upon the people in our state


Cute, whataboutism spree again. I never wished death upon anyone and that's what counts. I could give you countless Japanese examples but would bring me down to your level so no thanks :coffee:


You have literally made countless posts about Japan being racist whenever I bring up anything about Europe. I dont even know why you do that to be fair. Mentioning Japan being racist doesnt change the fact that Germany is. After you pretended it wasnt an issue when I was showing you Japanese people being brutalized in Anti COVID violence, while you yourself had a Japanese woman with "CORONA CHAN" superimposed over her face. COVID has proven to be no issue in Japan. You dont believe in god, but surely there is god in that? That the same joke you made over us proved a slight inconvenience when it has effectively shut down your nations economy? Isnt that god/karma/whatever you want to call it?
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Post by Babun on Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:18 pm

@Young Kaz wrote:
@Babun wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:


To be fair though, Your ancestors put millions in ovens for less than the hatred Kemp, and his supporters, push upon the people in our state


Cute, whataboutism spree again. I never wished death upon anyone and that's what counts. I could give you countless Japanese examples but would bring me down to your level so no thanks :coffee:


You have literally made countless posts about Japan being racist whenever I bring up anything about Europe. I dont even know why you do that to be fair. Mentioning Japan being racist doesnt change the fact that Germany is. After you pretended it wasnt an issue when I was showing you Japanese people being brutalized in Anti COVID violence, while you yourself had a Japanese woman with "CORONA CHAN" superimposed over her face. COVID has proven to be no issue in Japan. You dont believe in god, but surely there is god in that? That the same joke you made over us proved a slight inconvenience when it has effectively shut down your nations economy? Isnt that god/karma/whatever you want to call it?

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Post by CBarca on Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:31 pm

In WI, the legislature and courts teamed up to stop the governor from the ability to issue mask mandates and other health ordinances.

In Georgia, the governor has used his ability to STOP counties from issuing mask mandates and other health ordinances.

What a country we live in. I become more cynical by the year. I already live pretty far north. Might make a run for Canada.

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Post by Babun on Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:04 pm

@CBarca wrote:In WI, the legislature and courts teamed up to stop the governor from the ability to issue mask mandates and other health ordinances.

In Georgia, the governor has used his ability to STOP counties from issuing mask mandates and other health ordinances.

What a country we live in. I become more cynical by the year. I already live pretty far north. Might make a run for Canada.


No comments, Fauci and Zuckerberg can't explain the issue clearer than that.

The outbreak in India is out of control now. They're heading towards a Brazil scenario. The number of new cases in Europe is increasing in total, most of the virologs over here don't even doubt the hypothesis of a second wave. They just calculate when..

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Post by El Gunner on Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:49 pm

so the first person has died "due to Covid" in my somewhat personal network. I don't know the person personally and have never met them, but it's the grandfather of a girl i know from Instagram who is from the same University as me.

i use "due to Covid" because i still feel there is so much unknown about this virus.

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Post by Jay29 on Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:05 pm

I am seeing a concerning lack of talk about prevention. In the UK for example, a further £3bn has been pumped into the NHS in preparation for the second wave, but talk of aggressive testing, tracing and quarantining has been non-existent.

The rules on mask wearing are typically confusing, too. It'll be mandatory to wear masks in shops from July 24th, but only if you're a shopper. Shop staff don't have to wear one. Nor do you need to wear one in bars or restaurants. You have to wear them on the train but it's okay to leave them off on the platform.

At least progress is being made on that front, bit by bit. Maybe by the time infections rise again, the message will have gotten through.

The UK are still reporting double-figure daily deaths, but they have joined most of Europe in suppressing the virus to a large extent. Boris Johnson is talking up a "return to normality" by December but that seems wholly unrealistic given it's in the middle of flu season. Unless the Oxford vaccine becomes available, I expect infections will have risen significantly by then.

Tbh, any talk of normality right now is funny to me, given I'm still on furlough. My work place isn't scheduled to re-open until late August.

The US situation just seems batshit to me. Seems the gov there wants to pretend the virus doesn't exist. I fear for them, not just for the potential death toll, but the long-term damage this virus does to people. A country isn't going to function very well if a significant chunk of the population have long-term lung, heart, and brain issues.

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Post by Myesyats on Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:52 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e2.htm

"Among 139 clients exposed to two symptomatic hair stylists with confirmed COVID-19 while both the stylists and the clients wore face masks, no symptomatic secondary cases were reported; among 67 clients tested for SARS-CoV-2, all test results were negative. Adherence to the community’s and company’s face-covering policy likely mitigated spread of SARS-CoV-2."

Turns out mask wearing can even prevent you from getting covid even if they're as close as touching your head

So is it an accurate assumption to make that most cases happen after close contact with an infected person (without masks) rather than from touching surfaces, i.e. door handles, buttons which could have previously been touched by a Covid carrier?

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Post by Jay29 on Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:17 pm

I don't know about "accurate" but it's looking likely. We've seen outbreaks traced back to gyms, bars, restaurants, night clubs, cruise ships, navy ships, public transport, house parties and churches. These areas are typically cramped and are poorly ventilated or have AC which spreads the virus around. There are studies suggesting the virus spreads in the air and not just from vapour from coughing and sneezing, so breathing, talking, singing, shouting, etc. can spread the virus. There are also examples of widespread mask usage mitigating these issues.

Surface spread is still a thing, though. The virus can live for a few days on certain surfaces but as a means of transmission, it's not as effective as simply breathing in someone's vicinity. Not touching your face and washing your hands is a very easy way of preventing that from being an issue.

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Post by CBarca on Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:59 pm

Everything I've read and listened to so far has continually de-emphasized the importance of surface spread, and underlined the continued focus on face to face contact in close quarters.

It's still a thing, but it doesn't seem to be an important driver of infection.

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Post by iftikhar on Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:09 am

We are in the 200K club Smile
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Post by Warrior on Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:36 pm

Noobs :coffee: just yesterday USA had 78K
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Post by Warrior on Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:39 pm

USA-Canada border close until august 21 now. Delay of one month

If they ask citizens to vote it would be until the end of the year. They simply don't care over there, here the masks are now mandatory in all interior public places. Apparently it will help a lot for covid, curious to see the results in some weeks
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Post by Robespierre on Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:44 pm

Meanwhile Barcellona seems going to the 2nd wave ....
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Post by Babun on Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:19 pm

There's an ongoing trend in all of Europe as of now. Even countries which didn't require facemasks or took the regulation back are reintroducing facemasks again, notably Austria and Switzerland. They don't know why but facemasks apparently work.

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Post by CBarca on Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:54 pm

@Babun wrote:There's an ongoing trend in all of Europe as of now. Even countries which didn't require facemasks or took the regulation back are reintroducing facemasks again, notably Austria and Switzerland. They don't know why but facemasks apparently work.


Virus is starting to reappear in greater numbers in Europe?

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:39 pm

Not in Germany it isn't

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Post by LeVersacci on Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:46 pm

Neither in Denmark. Wild assumption based on fuck all.

Our cases barely increased since we opened in beginning of may.

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