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Post by LeVersacci Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:46 am

Neither in Denmark. Wild assumption based on fuck all.

Our cases barely increased since we opened in beginning of may.

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Post by Thimmy Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:19 am

I've seen a single facemask here since the epidemic started, and I've heard nothing about that being about to change.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:27 am

There's mask order (part order part voluntary rule) in closed spaces in Germany so that surely plays a part
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Post by Myesyats Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:40 am

@Thimmy wrote:I've seen a single facemask here since the epidemic started, and I've heard nothing about that being about to change.

In closed spaces aswell? We don't wear masks out in the open but it's mandatory in supermarkets and every indoor facility basically

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Post by Thimmy Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:24 am

@Myesyats wrote:
@Thimmy wrote:I've seen a single facemask here since the epidemic started, and I've heard nothing about that being about to change.

In closed spaces aswell? We don't wear masks out in the open but it's mandatory in supermarkets and every indoor facility basically


In general. We have no mask- wearing rules, but obviously, doctors and nurses that are around Covid infected patients have to wear them. The only facemask I've seen since the epidemic started, was on some emo-looking kid near the train station.
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Post by Warrior Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:54 pm

Here it's a temporary law to wear masks in all closed public spaces

Supposedly there are many convincing studies that suggest wearing a mask can halt the spreading

The goal behind this measure is to PREVENT the so feared second wave happening in middle of summer. Smart move by the government "all those who had to die have died, rest will have no symptoms, who cares now" was the general mentality by late june. Citizens need more discipline the virus did not just vanish.

Since recently we have a slow increase of cases, but also more testing. Mask is a bit uncomfortable and looks bad tbh, still it's better to try this than either nothing or total lockdown. All i have is a shitty fake medical mask, color hospital green, in cotton so i guess doesn't even work. Feels a bit stupid wearing this even if everyone else is face covered too Laughing

Probably buy a cool mask because the measure will last for months. Online we can customize
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Post by rincon Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:40 pm

@Babun wrote:There's an ongoing trend in all of Europe as of now. Even countries which didn't require facemasks or  took the regulation back are reintroducing facemasks again, notably Austria and Switzerland. They don't know why but facemasks apparently work.

We know very clearly why masks work, they block droplets containing the virus (in infected people) so it helps prevent the spread.

Belgium required masks in all supermarket since last week, as cases begin to rise after the reopening. We have begun the second wave.

Masks now have to be worn in every shop, market, and public transport area, basically all closed spaces.
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Post by Babun Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:11 pm

@rincon wrote:
@Babun wrote:There's an ongoing trend in all of Europe as of now. Even countries which didn't require facemasks or  took the regulation back are reintroducing facemasks again, notably Austria and Switzerland. They don't know why but facemasks apparently work.

We know very clearly why masks work, they block droplets containing the virus (in infected people) so it helps prevent the spread.

Belgium required masks in all supermarket since last week, as cases begin to rise after the reopening. We have begun the second wave.

Masks now have to be worn in every shop, market, and public transport area, basically all closed spaces.

Wuhan virus thought to be spread mostly by contaminated surfaces thus washing the hands was the first priority and facemasks a gimmick to reduce the amount of circulating virus. Nowadays, even a makeshift mask (doesn't have to be FPP3 or N95) helps overall, the meaning of hand washing is rather secondary. Most of the open air protests all around the world showed the tendency.
@LeVersacci wrote:Neither in Denmark. Wild assumption based on fuck all.

Our cases barely increased since we opened in beginning of may.

I'm very happy for Denmark but Europe itself doesn't consist of just 6.8 millionish people but some 500 Millions. When in all of the balkans, France (60 mio), Germany (83 mio), Italy (60 mio), UK (68 mio), Austria etc. the facemasks are mandatory in all enclosed spaced then the tendency for Europe is clear. So next time, you come with your premature offensive BS educate yourelf kiddo.
@Thimmy wrote:I've seen a single facemask here since the epidemic started, and I've heard nothing about that being about to change.

Same as above, expect you talk like a normal human being.
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Post by LeVersacci Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:40 pm

"There's an ongoing trend in all of Europe as of now." Broad statement based on nothing but from your daily 9gag consumption. Atleast give a link next time that backs your statement.

Denmark isn't the case. Neither is Sweden where I was the only one with a mask on the 2 times i've visited the country this month. Nor Norway as Thimmy mentioned aswell and Finland is most likely the same.

The only nordic that might/should change is Sweden based on their amount of cases. It makes sense to make mask mandatory in countries like France, Spain & UK with all the cases & deaths they've had.
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Post by LeVersacci Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:25 pm

Decided to look it up myself.

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Most of europe is required in some places or univesal except for the nordic countries, Iceland, Greenland & a few other EU countries.
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Post by CBarca Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:29 pm

What? We're learning that it's airborne droplets that are the important mode of transmission.

Our knowledge right now is that surface contact isn't an important mode of transmission.

Last few posts from Babun have been really bizarre. "Facemasks were a gimmick"...what?
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Post by Jay29 Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:26 pm

Results from the phase II trial of the Oxford vaccine:

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140-6736(20)31604-4

The big take away is they've proved its safe, with the worst side effect being a fever that can be managed with over-the-counter drugs.

They recorded T-cell and antibody responses in everyone, though some needed two doses.

Now we wait for the phase III results to see if it offers protection from the virus outright, or just weakens it. Either would be a good result at this stage.

Oxford has deals with AstraZeneca and an Indian manufacturer for billions of doses of this thing.

Meanwhile, the UK has made deals with Pfizer and BioNTech for 60 million doses of their mRNA vaccine.

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Post by Myesyats Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:36 pm

Fantastic news

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:51 pm

Important to note that the Oxford vaccine is not aimed at providing true immunity but at slowing down the spread. Should anyone here get it they shouldn't act like it is perfectly safe for them to do risky activities.
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Post by Babun Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:04 pm

@CBarca wrote:What? We're learning that it's airborne droplets that are the important mode of transmission.

Our knowledge right now is that surface contact isn't an important mode of transmission.

Last few posts from Babun have been really bizarre. "Facemasks were a gimmick"...what?

Yeah, here in Germany and also in France, facemasks were seen as secondary non essential prevention tool compared to handwashing at the start of the epidimy while Italy took it seriously from get to go. Over the course of the last months, handwashing became secondary while face masks mandatory.

@jay29
great news!
@LeVersacci wrote:Decided to look it up myself.

The Coronavirus Thread - Part 3 - Page 38 Test10

Most of europe is required in some places or univesal except for the nordic countries, Iceland, Greenland & a few other EU countries.

Oh, wow, Europe isn't just Scandinavia. I'm happy you finally educated yourself Very Happy
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53471497
https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25410/20200421/austria-90-drop-coronavirus-cases-requiring-people-wear-face-masks.htm


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Post by LeVersacci Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:45 pm

Never said that. You said:

@Babun wrote:There's an ongoing trend in all of Europe as of now.

Which was false hence the replies you got from us. With no links I decided to lookup data from a site that's not 9gag & 4chan.
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Post by LeVersacci Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:54 pm

@Jay29 wrote:Results from the phase II trial of the Oxford vaccine:

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140-6736(20)31604-4

The big take away is they've proved its safe, with the worst side effect being a fever that can be managed with over-the-counter drugs.

They recorded T-cell and antibody responses in everyone, though some needed two doses.

Now we wait for the phase III results to see if it offers protection from the virus outright, or just weakens it. Either would be a good result at this stage.

Oxford has deals with AstraZeneca and an Indian manufacturer for billions of doses of this thing.

Meanwhile, the UK has made deals with Pfizer and BioNTech for 60 million doses of their mRNA vaccine.
We'll probably get a vaccine sometime in mid-late 2021.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:33 pm

The Oxford vaccine could be ready by late fall if it keeps moving at this pace. Then production and distribution would take a few months but the first ones could be available much sooner than mid 2021. They seem to be ahead of the game as they had a MERS prototype ready before this started, which is very similar to Corona.
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Post by Myesyats Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:45 pm

EU leaders strike deal on €750bn recovery fund after marathon summit

https://www.ft.com/content/713be467-ed19-4663-95ff-66f775af55cc

unprecedented

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:49 pm

First time the EU is taking on debt for all member states. One more step in the direction of a super government.
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Post by Babun Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:02 am

@LeVersacci wrote:Never said that. You said:

@Babun wrote:There's an ongoing trend in all of Europe as of now.

Which was false hence the replies you got from us. With no links I decided to lookup data from a site that's not 9gag & 4chan.

So you started all of the witch hunt because of one "all" in that sentence? Laughing
Don't you have anything better to do? Very Happy
I visit 9gag for the lulz from time to time, I don't know 4chan but of course like the rest of the leftist pack you have put words into my mouth out of context to be indignant afterwards Laughing
My sources are usually theguardian or bbc, if I want a laugh I visit dailymail. I read foxnews and CNN at some point but the left and right views are so extreme as of now that I don't even dare to look at the "news" over there.
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Post by LeVersacci Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:18 am

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:The Oxford vaccine could be ready by late fall if it keeps moving at this pace. Then production and distribution would take a few months but the first ones could be available much sooner than mid 2021. They seem to be ahead of the game as they had a MERS prototype ready before this started, which is very similar to Corona.
Meant a vaccine that actually cures Covid-19. I don't doubt this one will be out in early 2021. Remdesivir is according to our healthcare already in use as a treatment for covid patients.


Vaccine is still probably mid-late 2021 but i'm happy to be proven wrong.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:11 am

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/could-covid-19-immunity-really-disappear-months/614377/

good article to read for those worried about the immunity studies
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Post by CBarca Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:36 pm

Caught in the middle of the next political firestorm with very little guidance on what to expect come fall, I can't help but feel frustrated at how weak the American people are. Fragile, entitled, selfish and self-serving brats, the lot.

As we move towards a school reopening which won't be the usual face to face 5 days a week, parents and students will be pissed.

Silly me thinking that the lack of in person school would actually lead people to appreciate the jobs teachers have and the role school provides in a kid's life. I'm seeing more vitriol towards teachers than I have for a while. Somehow we're to blame for the lack of federal leadership and the weakness of the American people
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Post by Nishankly Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:32 pm

While its exploding and still the first wave in India, it's not the worst scenario. The recovery factor is about 0.7 so for every 1 new case, .7 cases recover.

I am worried about how long just this first wave will last, we are desperate and need the vaccine asap
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:45 am

@CBarca wrote:Caught in the middle of the next political firestorm with very little guidance on what to expect come fall, I can't help but feel frustrated at how weak the American people are. Fragile, entitled, selfish and self-serving brats, the lot.

As we move towards a school reopening which won't be the usual face to face 5 days a week, parents and students will be pissed.

Silly me thinking that the lack of in person school would actually lead people to appreciate the jobs teachers have and the role school provides in a kid's life. I'm seeing more vitriol towards teachers than I have for a while. Somehow we're to blame for the lack of federal leadership and the weakness of the American people


The irony is that had everyone done what they were supposed to for the past 3 months then schools could reopen without too much of a controversy. But now, here we are
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