Re: The Coronavirus Thread - Part 2

[Unique]

A US man has died and his wife is in critical condition after taking a form of a drug that has been touted by President Donald Trump as a possible treatment for the novel coronavirus.

The couple took chloroquine phosphate - a form of chloroquine used to clean fish tanks - in an apparent effort to guard against Covid-19.

Chloroquine itself is one of the oldest and best-known anti-malarial drugs, but the US Food and Drugs Administration has made it clear it has not been approved for treating those infected with the Covid-19 coronavirus

Why would they do that?

fear can make people do some crazy things.

[Guest]

Anyone else feels Japan has been lying about their stats to give the image that all is under control, so Olympics goes ahead and they don't lose a shit ton of money?

Feels with Olympics postponed now, we may see a big increase in japanese case/deaths.

I mean..I know they don't shake hands in their culture, and wear masks all the time...but a city with population density of Tokyo ... a virus is certain to spread. Very strange that they are at about 1200 total cases for the country of 127 million with such high population density...and they never closed down the businesses, only schools.

Yeah, Japan has seemingly gotten off quite easy (so far) while not closing everything down. The best explanation I've heard is they are very obedient people and have perhaps practiced more diligent social distancing than Western folks? Or have they been doing vigilant testing & tracing like South Korea? I don't really know, but would like to.

we been no different to other countries - govt seriously hasnt been firm and consistent on guidelines.

actually its more like the companies taking better measures in protecting their employees in first place due to lack of govt action and advice, therefore they themselves put measures to advice people to work remotely and that was at beginning of feb. Shiseido was one of those first company taking drastic measures.

most of japanese people here, are only going out when needed, however there are some very incompetent people wanting to go watch sakura viewing and not maintaining enough social distancing.

tokyo is the most getting affected and that could go drastic in coming days and weeks, remember, that tokyo is not only densely populated, but actually lot of people from neighboring cities like saitama, yokohama, tochigi, ibaraki, etc. comes to work at tokyo.

At the moment at least, business firms are advising people to work from home, and public servants are going to work as usual. so that has actually drastically cut people going out on business days, actually its the weekend or public holidays that is getting scary with lot of scattered people and not too much distancing.

that being said, japanese people have been exercising great deal of hygiene, not just masks, or alcohols, eating habits, not going out unless needed and most follow.

though on the downside, our country hasn't been as fast and rigorous in testing and isolating, compared to that of korea, germany, or even taiwan. all these countries actually have their own CDC in which we dont even have one...

Japanese people do know this, and if they are even getting midest of symptoms - most of them are following regulations of isolating themselves, beyond adviced 14 days - polymerase chain reaction (PCR) has been now available to every local hospitals which is great. healthcare for me in Japan has always been number one, even clinics even my home doctors actively sending guidelines to patients even though we are not infected - like how to deal , emergency contacts hotlines, not going out - making necessary arrangements in first place.
The biggest worries like any other countries is that virologists, epidemiologists, doctors, researchers has been advising govt time and time again to not just advice but firmly put regulations in place to stop holding events - because so far it is not a binding agreement. in addition they have warned that hospitals will be overwhelmed if tokyo is not under control. we also have been warned of not having enough ventilators. So governer of tokyo said yesterday that she may be forced to make a total lockdown if this number keep on increasing

So if it answers ya all questions, its the citizens themselves taking all necessary safety measures themselves as far as i am aware. there are minorities who are not doing that and that is what worries me - one infection can lead to another. the biggest worries and jump in numbers so far is coming from returnees from Europe and NA. Some fools are even travelling... sigh..

also to answer why japan numbers are low, for every infection reported publicly, it goes through medical centers locally needing to disclose to city chief -> prefectural chief and hence getting those statistics of tested, confirmed infected, hospitalized people are taking time. And by April we could see those number going high again like i said due to returning people from overseas.

[Guest]

On the good side, the first badly infected prefecture hokkaido - which had over 100 + people infected and hospitalized has confirmed good recovery rate and therefore the governer of hoikkado recently announced lowering the emergency level. having said that their next goal is to isolate, contain the infected from healthy population, and hokkaido is not as populated as tokyo so if they keep putting efforts like they have been doing, they will come out strong. its been a good recovery from very serious emergency.

I am really worried about tokyo atm...

[Guest]

have to applaud germany, korea taiwan for their day to day and very rigorous public testing to quickly track infected people and isolating and collecting public record in short time.

I heard something like since 2000 SARS outbreak affecting them so much so that they already put pandemic exercise in first place ever since, they even have a freaking command center for this sort of issues.

What is so impressive is that i read somewhere that, they even have a tracking or maps of infected vs non infected people, a tracking ways where you can get basic household commodities and so on and public and govt cooperating with each other. I heard in news that taiwan also offered WHO to help with their ways of helping curve pandemic in which WHO rejected first ... dunno if that is true lol

S. Korea also very impressive with their rigorous testing, putting their own test kits in mass production. Same thing with Germany given how big population is ... really we could learn from these countries.

[Nishankly]

What is this Hanta virus nonsense from China? Are people making a big deal out of this?

[Jay29]

Google says it's from rodents and passed from their feces and urine.

Basically, unless you eat rats, you're extremely unlikely to get it.

[Unique]

Google says it's from rodents and passed from their feces and urine.

Basically, unless you eat rats, you're extremely unlikely to get it.

or you eat food that a rat has pissed or shit on

[Nishankly]

https://twitter.com/ManiSingh__/status/1242514156206653441?s=19

Indian police with quarantine rule breakers.

[Babun]

Drosten referenced today papers from Hongkong and Munich about the virus amount in the throat and found something astounding: by the time the first symptoms appear there is already a decreasing amount of the Wuhan virus in the throat area which means an infected is the most contagious before showing any symptoms of the sickness. Therefore, from his point of view, there is no other way besides social distancing to break the chain preventively.
https://m.focus.de/gesundheit/drosten-warnt-nach-studie-viele-infizierte-stecken-andere-an-bevor-sie-sich-selbst-krank-fuehlen_id_11808927.html

Today, a 42y old from Berlin died. Also, a 50y tells about his fight vs. the Wuhan virus. You can hear from his way of breathing he has suffered a lot ( no preconditiins ):
https://m.focus.de/gesundheit/als-ob-der-brustkorb-brennt-50-jaehriger-ueberlebte-covid-19-im-video-erzaehlt-er-wie-sich-die-erkrankung-anfuehlt_id_11807916.html

[Robespierre]

Hi everyone, just wanted to share my thoughts given I'm currently living in Italy, the epicentre of the virus.

— Ashley Young (@youngy18) March 24, 2020

In Italy going to the supermarket is surprisingly calm... no fights over food, no stripped shelves and most certainly no abusing staff members for limiting food or any reason at all! And in almost every case it’s usually just one person shopping for a household!

— Ashley Young (@youngy18) March 24, 2020

[futbol]

A US man has died and his wife is in critical condition after taking a form of a drug that has been touted by President Donald Trump as a possible treatment for the novel coronavirus.

The couple took chloroquine phosphate - a form of chloroquine used to clean fish tanks - in an apparent effort to guard against Covid-19.

Chloroquine itself is one of the oldest and best-known anti-malarial drugs, but the US Food and Drugs Administration has made it clear it has not been approved for treating those infected with the Covid-19 coronavirus

Why would they do that?

Charles Darwin.

[Guest]

Drosten referenced today papers from Hongkong and Munich about the virus amount in the throat and found something astounding: by the time the first symptoms appear there is already a decreasing amount of the Wuhan virus in the throat area which means an infected is the most contagious before showing any symptoms of the sickness. Therefore, from his point of view, there is no other way besides social distancing to break the chain preventively.
https://m.focus.de/gesundheit/drosten-warnt-nach-studie-viele-infizierte-stecken-andere-an-bevor-sie-sich-selbst-krank-fuehlen_id_11808927.html

Today, a 42y old from Berlin died. Also, a 50y tells about his fight vs. the Wuhan virus. You can hear from his way of breathing he has suffered a lot ( no preconditiins ):
https://m.focus.de/gesundheit/als-ob-der-brustkorb-brennt-50-jaehriger-ueberlebte-covid-19-im-video-erzaehlt-er-wie-sich-die-erkrankung-anfuehlt_id_11807916.html

that means all those thermo monitoring in airports and travel points that we have been doing after all might be pointless screening ... sigh...

[Guest]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hi everyone, just wanted to share my thoughts given I'm currently living in Italy, the epicentre of the virus.</p>— Ashley Young (@youngy18) <a href="https://twitter.com/youngy18/status/1242531398826811393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In Italy going to the supermarket is surprisingly calm... no fights over food, no stripped shelves and most certainly no abusing staff members for limiting food or any reason at all! And in almost every case it’s usually just one person shopping for a household!</p>— Ashley Young (@youngy18) <a href="https://twitter.com/youngy18/status/1242531401238446091?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 forza italia, espania whole europe, NA, UK any countries being affected...

will make life easier if everyone follow and stay civilized like above ^.^V

[VivaStPauli]

Google says it's from rodents and passed from their feces and urine.

Basically, unless you eat rats, you're extremely unlikely to get it.

Don't dismiss it too easily. It won't be a pandemic, but I had a colleague contract it in clean old Germany, she was sent to clean up a storage room of a country guest house style pub I worked in back then, and apparently she swiveled up enough rat- and mouse shit while cleaning to contract it, and was hospitalized for a couple weeks. So it's no laughing matter. But on the other hand you won't just randomly catch it, so chill.

Edit: and it wasn't a disused dump she cleaned, she just dusted off the storage where we kept the empty bottles until pickup. I mean yeah it was a disused barn, but it was clean-ish, and dry. Nobody expected this.

[sportsczy]

It's exploding in New York City.  25000 positives right now in the state with 17k in NYC alone.  The pace is 3000 new positives a day expected to rise to 5-10k new positives a day.  The peak is supposed to happen in 2-3 weeks.

We could see 200k positives in NYC alone.

Good news (relatively) is that deaths in NYC is 192. Out of 17k.... 1.1%. That's not crazy. And now that we're getting more test kits, the city is testing people that aren't super sick; so maybe the percentage comes down.

Even with 200k people infected, 1% is 2k people. Bad of course. But not cataclysmic.

[Myesyats]

Death rate will be much higher once you hit these 200k cases and they'll be pulling the plug on people because there's not enough life-support for everyone

[sportsczy]

Death rate will be much higher once you hit these 200k cases and they'll be pulling the plug on people because there's not enough life-support for everyone

There will be enough I hope.  City is gearing up for 140k hospital beds...  ventilators are the issue as there's only 15k of them.  Need 30k... being worked on.  

Army corps of engineers is on it.  They're tranforming the Javitz Center (NY's largest convention center) into a hospital.

The issue is how quickly NYC needs to get to those numbers. If it's 3-4 weeks, maybe. If it's 2 weeks or so, we're in trouble. We may lose a lot of lives i fear.

[Babun]

RKI (Robert Koch Institut), our version of CDC, has declared an outbreak situation in Germany. The testing methology has changed from today on: there is no need for a contact with an infected or a recent travel history to a Covid-19 area to get tested. Anyone with symptoms can and should be tested from now on. If someone shows symptoms of Covid-19 and had contact with a known infected person, the person will be count as Covid-19 infected even without the need of a test. Medical personnel and critical infrastructure workers will be tested periodically. He said all of the hospitals should be ready for the alarm level "very high", higher isn't possible.
In other words, the war has begun..

Spoiler:

that means all those thermo monitoring in airports and travel points that we have been doing after all might be pointless screening ... sigh...

Nope, people are infectious when they show symptoms or fever but to a lesser degree than before getting sick so the measure wasn't completly useless, at that time people didn't know better.

It's exploding in New York City.  25000 positives right now in the state with 17k in NYC alone.  The pace is 3000 new positives a day expected to rise to 5-10k new positives a day.  The peak is supposed to happen in 2-3 weeks.

We could see 200k positives in NYC alone.

Good news (relatively) is that deaths in NYC is 192.  Out of 17k....  1.1%.  That's not crazy.  And now that we're getting more test kits, the city is testing people that aren't super sick; so maybe the percentage comes down.

Even with 200k people infected, 1% is 2k people.  Bad of course.  But not cataclysmic.

Gonna get ugly, best of luck..

[Art Morte]

@JespSwe thanks for the Japan update. Do you live in Sweden or are you half Swedish or what's the Swe in your name?


Second death in Finland today and the authorities are now expecting a worse outbreak than a couple of weeks ago. ICU numbers looking bleak in some parts of Finland; one of the problems is that a patient may need an ICU for two weeks.

[Guest]

@JespSwe thanks for the Japan update. Do you live in Sweden or are you half Swedish or what's the Swe in your name?


Second death in Finland today and the authorities are now expecting a worse outbreak than a couple of weeks ago. ICU numbers looking bleak in some parts of Finland; one of the problems is that a patient may need an ICU for two weeks.

Good question, no im 100% japanese but raised in foreign country - pretty much been travelling (not now though XD)

As for Jesp - i was a big fan of Jesper Stromblad of In flames long time ago... well Jesper and Alexi Laiho of Children of Bodom (now defunt - > Bodom after Midnight band). And the metalheads site called metalstorm.ee wouldn't allow me to register with jesper name as it was taken i guess so i settled with JespSwe there and here too in around 2007.


As for Japan, again new reports that we have over 170 cases alone in tokyo, plus today alone we have news that over 40 people are infected. Tonight the governer of Tokyo will public announcement - might be case where drastic clampdown of travel will be in place or total lock-down at worst case scenario.

Anyway this is again as stark warning stated by scientists, doctors, virologists, epidemiologists, and researchers - to govt and politicians .... we will overwhelm hospitals and healthcare workers ... worst is upon us.
Again they reiterate with clear warnings that in some ways there should be very drastic measures of asking people on highly densely populated areas to go over 2 weeks upto a month of lockdown for one, that way they can clearly find people with new symptoms, and isolate people who have no health issues, second - as babun said, Japan will need to drastically speed of testing - if possible to everyone, and not just infected or people with symptoms to isolate and do reset.

At the moment,




https://coromap.info/
this shows infected and currently under admission (red), green are recovered)

above are made by contributors, that being said the statistics are consistent with what is being reported publicly in media.

Again Tokyo is a biggest concern due to exponential growth, and we will see more of it in April as well. Hope is that Japan seriously need to follow what Korea, Taiwan, and Germany has been doing to do test on mass scale, regardless of people being infected or not. Testing on mass scale, and isolation / quarantine guidelines is a big concern in Japan coming from govt. thankfully people atleast in my area are pretending as if everyone has got virus and putting a great deal of distance and precautions, no gatherings most people are at home.

In addition, like many countries, Japan has put immigration bans on most countries and no people will be allowed in unless they are for diplomatic, or people from healthcare or japanese citizens returning

[Guest]

@Art Morte, i guess im so into scandinavian music and basically their ways of thinking and very private image XD lol

[Unique]

Prince Charles has tested positive for Corona virus. If members of the royal family are getting it you can be sure most of us have it.

[RealGunner]

How did he get that after being self-isolated in a fucking palace?

Would be a surprise if he survives this but best of luck to him.

[Nishankly]

Yup, its widespread in England and I am now quite sure RG, Jay and Firenze all had it. 60% of our cases in India are from expats and students who've returned from the UK. Hell France and Italian expats or students have next to no cases.

What a shit government.

[Art Morte]

How did he get that after being self-isolated in a fucking palace?

Would be a surprise if he survives this but best of luck to him.

Maybe he wasn't in isolation two weeks ago or maybe he got it from a staff member.


I've had a mildly sore throat this morning, wouldn't think twice about it normally, but of course in these times I'm now wondering whether it's going away or whether I'll have a dry cough tomorrow x)

[Art Morte]

Yup, its widespread in England and I am now quite sure RG, Jay and Firenze all had it. 60% of our cases in India are from expats and students who've returned from the UK. Hell France and Italian expats or students have next to no cases.

What a shit government.

I don't know about that, I mean assuming it's really wide spread and all our posters had it. The vast majority of tested people turn out negative and that's when most nations are only testing people with moderate-or-worse symptoms. I'm sure the real number globally is in the millions, probably tens of millions, meaning tens of times more than the current confirmed count of some 430.000 - but that's still a small percentage of population.

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