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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:30 pm

The article posted by Robes is absolutely scary.

My German is very bad, but I was able to glean the main points from it.

If the surgeon thinks that the virus is really dangerous, even for young people, he really should be taken seriously.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:32 pm

@Freeza wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Myesyats wrote:Took them long enough...


Easy for you to say but all of this is lethal for the economy

People will go banrupt left and right, lifes will be ruined, it's not a good thing and frankly I'm not sure whether this disease is bad enough to justify stuff like this


It's actually a really good ethical question.

I too am in doubt as to whether this disease warrants it. But I respect people taking a stance. It will have huge repercussions though


If you're a healthy 30 year old person who is basically in no danger whatsoever by this virus yet your life is financially ruined to to the quarantine measures?
I'm not sure what I would think
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:34 pm

@The Demon of Carthage wrote:The article posted by Robes is absolutely scary.

My German is very bad, but I was able to glean the main points from it.

If the surgeon thinks that the virus is really dangerous, even for young people, he really should be taken seriously.


Babun posted a link to the same account here on Monday, it's in English translation on reddit

@Babun wrote:A pretty precise description of the outbreak in Bergamo/Italy by a doc who works in a hospital there:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ffa2tf/testimony_of_a_surgeon_working_in_bergamo_in_the/?utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=5ce16a596f784dc1bd99d7e457d790c5&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=ffa2tf

Conclusion: SARS-COV-2 isn't a flu!


It's terrifying alright and when I read it was the moment I started to take this seriously tbh
Still, it must be a matter of degrees mustn't it?
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Post by Myesyats on Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:45 pm

How do you expect to find enough beds for all the patients? Its impossible. Basic human right is to get medical treatment so what if there's no space for new patients? This virus needs to be contained at all costs
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Post by Unique on Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:47 pm

@Myesyats wrote:How do you expect to find enough beds for all the patients? Its impossible. Basic human right is to get medical treatment so what if there's no space for new patients? This virus needs to be contained at all costs
they will have to call in the army to set up medical tents and use army medics
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:50 pm

@Myesyats wrote:@BC

Stanford says they never posted this. Its a fake post and not all of it is proven to be true
damn fell for it like a sucker

got a source btw? want to send it to the person that forwarded it to me, but a quick google search didn't turn it up


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Post by Babun on Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:52 pm

The intensive care beds (ICU) in Brescia are full now, no capacity left at the moment. The patients are getting younger.
65enni: essi rappresentano il 59% dei ricoverati in terapia intensiva. Ma il 33% delle persone intubate (anche a Brescia) ha tra i 50 ed i 64 anni. E l’ 8% un’età compresa tra 25 e 49 anni.
https://brescia.corriere.it/notizie/cronaca/20_marzo_10/gallera-preoccupal-aumento-casi-prefetto-calerannorispettando-regole-2d01b152-62ac-11ea-a693-c7191bf8b498.shtml

Second source about the increase of the 30 - 45 in whole Lombardy region (9% right now):
https://www.giornaledibrescia.it/brescia-e-hinterland/coronavirus-aumentano-i-nuovi-pazienti-tra-i-30-e-i-45-anni-1.3466381
8% of all of the ICU patients are between 25 - 49 years old. The amount is increasing. They have to decide whether to give an ICU bed to a younger patient case by case.
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@rincon wrote:

So 0 evidence, just baseless speculation. Nothing about this virus is unexpected or unexplainable in biology.

I gave you plenty of evidence, the mutation rate and the direction is too fast for the virus worlds. You didn't refute any of them. There is a published study but that one is more of a speculation than the statistical evidence:
https://londonlovesbusiness.com/scientist-says-covid-19-is-man-made-and-was-released-from-wuhan-lab/

No you didn't. The mutation rate is not too fast for a virus. Scientists are NOT saying that this virus is man-made. The link you posted is from 1 scientist saying that is possible that it was man-made, and NOT in a scientific publication but in an interview.

There is no scientific work claiming that this is the case. On the other hand, the studies show the opposite. The evidence points to the virus mutating from animals and making the jump into humans.

Here is an actual publication in Nature describing some of the current knowledge of it
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7?TB_iframe=true&width=370.8&height=658.8
Let's agree to disagree. Yes, it is not proven 100%. The study you posted is also about the likelyhood of a mutation, not a proof.


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Post by Unique on Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:53 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Myesyats wrote:@BC

Stanford says they never posted this. Its a fake post and not all of it is proven to be true
damn fell for it like a sucker
dont sweat it. ive told many girls that we need to have sex because the world is ending and they fell for it. cheers
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Post by Unique on Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:54 pm

look at it this way lads in a few years we can look back and say we survived the virus and liverpool winning the title Very Happy
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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:03 pm

Read it again in English from the link posted by Hans.

It's not like I was taking it lightly before, but now I'm even more concerned by it and I really don't think their decision to lockdown the whole country is an extreme one. Given the circumstances and the seriousness of the disease, it seems to me like the right thing to do.

It'll hit the economy pretty hard, but I think people's lives matter more. I hope other countries follow through as well.
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Post by Myesyats on Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:08 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Myesyats wrote:@BC

Stanford says they never posted this. Its a fake post and not all of it is proven to be true
damn fell for it like a sucker

got a source btw? want to send it to the person that forwarded it to me, but a quick google search didn't turn it up

https://stanfordhealthcare.org/stanford-health-care-now/2020/novel-coronavirus.html

Its the actual Stanford page with real information. It doesnt say 26/27 temperatures kill the virus etc. It is not yet known
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Post by Warrior on Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:43 pm

Can't open the tv, listen to radio, read on twitter etc without being overdosed by coronavirus. So i'm getting a bit frustrated.

Will this shit last until summer ? Really hope not
Such a terribly boring saga it seems everybody is panicking
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Post by FennecFox7 on Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:52 pm

It’s in Dallas now. I work a job where I’m constantly around people all day. Wish me luck boys, it’s coming for me
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Post by Jay29 on Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:05 pm

Found this doctor on Youtube who does a good job of pouring over the data and assessing which countries are responding well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzXQ6Bu9JVI

Can't open the tv, listen to radio, read on twitter etc without being overdosed by coronavirus. So i'm getting a bit frustrated.

Will this shit last until summer ? Really hope not
Such a terribly boring saga it seems everybody is panicking

If the world (well, mostly Europe and the US, really) gets it shit together, the number of cases can decrease a lot by the summer.

The number of new cases from China and South Korea are decreasing. There are a select few European countries doing a good job of containing it before it spreads too much.

Sadly, the big European countries haven't done so well. Italy are suffering the most, of course, due to catching it late, and others aren't learning from their struggles. France and Spain are reporting worrying numbers. Germany are doing well, though, if their low death rate is anything to go by.

Cases in the UK are still relatively low, and the number of daily tests is being increased from 1,500 to 10,000. However, they're still persisting with mass gatherings which is concerning.

The US' centralised response has been poor, but it seems individual states are taking action now.

Unfortunately, even if the virus is under control by the summer, there'll be a lot of long-lasting damage and the big summers events (Euros, Olympics) are unlikely to go ahead.

As for the panic, it's justified in some respects.

The latest data shows there are currently 54,000 active cases on infected people. 89% develop mild symptoms, leaving around 6,000 who develop severe symptoms and require hospital treatment. This is a significant number that is already placing strain on healthcare services and if it's not controlled, those services will be unable to cope. And it's in that scenario when the death rate will increase because treatment won't be available to everyone. To say nothing of people with serious illnesses and injuries unrelated to coronavirus who might not get treatment.

That's a worst case scenario but one that will happen if half the world continues to not take it seriously enough.

Data from here btw:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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Post by Pedram on Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:11 pm

@Warrior wrote:Can't open the tv, listen to radio, read on twitter etc without being overdosed by coronavirus. So i'm getting a bit frustrated.

Will this shit last until summer ? Really hope not
Such a terribly boring saga it seems everybody is panicking

No idea, people who keep saying this will go away with warm weather are talking out of their asses.
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Post by rincon on Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:19 pm

@Robespierre wrote:I can't believe how , while Italy are going mad ( correctly)   to fight  coronavirus,  you can see, for example, 3'000 Atletico Madrid fans  in liverpool
we Italians hope to get out of it as soon as possible, and we are making huge sacrifices, but after we 'd go beyond this , we will have to be careful to those  neighboring countries   are not making countermeasures while Italy are facing a  phase of extreme suffering
Italy underestimated   coronavirus but there were some extenuating circumstance
...  epidemic from  another continent ( so you feel it as far) , Italy was the first country  to face directly   in Europe ( so unpreparedness ) ... but what excuses for France,Germany,Spain, UK ? USA have Trump, they already suffer enough

I mean this is the  speech by  French republic today, "we will not give up concerts, evening parties" etc

For me it's simply insane. Italy, your closer country, are under war setup.
Coronavirus means fast infection , it means playing with fire.


Pathetic message by Macron
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Post by Babun on Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:21 pm

Christian Drosten and Alexander Kekule (not some youtubers but renown virologists, professors and leading researchers in their field) said SARS and MERS weren't halted by warm weather at all. MERS still exists in the middle east. SARS just happened to die out at the end of the June. They say the transmission happens from human to human because there is no inborn immunity to the novel coronavirus. They expect the infection rate to drop but not significantly, especially in densly populated regions of the world. Right now, they are doing tests about humidity as a factor. Apparently, the factor is more important than temperature in case of Covid-19.
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Post by El Gunner on Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:22 pm

too easy for viruses to spread. I think some of you are finding it too easy to blame governments and health systems. Sure most health systems are shit already and this virus is just highlighting it again. But this is rather new territory for us all, and it's only getting more media hype because it's in Europe. Wouldn't have garnered the same responses if the breakout was just in China and Africa.

With no vaccine, it seems like we're in for the long haul with this one.

Hospital conditions and overall day to day living conditions will be much worse in Africa if it gets to the level that it is now in Europe.
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Post by Unique on Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:25 pm

El Gunner will be on next week saying arsenal players hold the record for most players infected with corona virus and shitting on spurs and liverpool for it rofl rofl rofl
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Post by Warrior on Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:33 pm

Oh yeah if the virus remained in Asia there would be much less fuss about it. Italy's situation is indeed concerning, as for medias they keep saying contradictory stuff, which contributes to the panic... which contributes to medias covering that even more

Everything is getting cancelled

Also is it possible to not see someone's sig ?? Babun's sig gets annoying after a while unless you are 15 years old.
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Post by El Gunner on Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:37 pm

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Post by Freeza on Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:19 pm

Tom Hanks has tested positive (Australia).
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Post by Freeza on Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:22 pm

Kudos to him for admitting it so (fairly) early. Him saying it will make a lot of people wake up to the disaster this virus is and how much worse it can become. Great thing to do.
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Post by sportsczy on Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:23 pm

US closes borders to all European travel for 30 days.

released 200 billion to Small Business Administration to make no-interest loans to support businesses who are impacted.

All medical expenses related to the virus will be free to all.

For those who cannot work as a result of the virus, direct financial aid will be made.

Tax payments deferred so people and business can keep their cash to meet their needs.

Pretty crazy stuff.
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Post by CBarca on Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:24 pm

USA is finally making moves. It took us way too long, but at least it's happening.

We'll see how this evolves and if the US has the guts to call the shots that might be required
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