Re: The Coronavirus Thread - Part 1

[Myesyats]

Myesyats son all I do is drop red pills.

If China is such a world power then its citizens shouldnt be reduced to the necessity of eating wild animals to survive. Wasnt wildlife trade inChina already banned in the 2000s? It's unfathomable that such markets are still a thing in this day and age.

You still have to feed over a billion people.

USA is the greatest nation the world has ever seen, with a 5th of the population of china, and even we have hungry kids.

So is there no deer or boar in china? Can't they properly cook it at least? Is there a necessity to kill snakes, monkeys and such and eat them raw in many instances? People are starving everywhere but not everyone starts pandemics.

[VivaStPauli]

today for the first time in a week, I found rice, meat, tuna and pasta in the local grocery....positive to see supply chain still running smoothly and the store was obviously significantly less crowded than it was last week.

I'm good for 2-3 weeks at least.

Glad to hear that. I still believe that if people hadn't panicked, no shortage of any kind would've occured anyway. Toilet paper ran out because people believed it would run out. Self-fulfilling prophesies all around.

[Arquitecto]

Sepp, as always, has no clue what he's talking about and goes for the most melodramatic version, because he's a little hysteric and adolescent.

You forgot unapologetic right-wing troll.

Viva "Socialism has never been tried" St. Pauli calls me a troll lol.

Anyway, I have no bad blood towards anyone...you "tolerant" far-lefters have a lot more hate towards people you disagree with than I do. Because despite my right-leaning tendencies, I don't see you guys as an enemy or some cancer. I actually kind of lean towards economic populism (which is a thing of the left).

But you're so stuck in your definition of RIGHT and LEFT, you're losing sight of the big picture. anyways, I'm done arguing with German "know it alls". I love you all equally.

I even kissed and made up with Betty ffs.

Inshalla'h everything will be okay and we'll all be fine in the end.

Sep lets be honest the forum always has been generally intolerant of anyone on the right-side of the spectrum and this has been a theme for a long time. The rightists here unfortunately were not the best examples so that made it even worse but it is pointless to debate given it ends up on the questioning of one's character.

And still at Socialism never has been tried.

[Warrior]

I made reserves of weed then i bought The idiot by Doistoïevski which is long overdue i read it. That was my coronavirus panic shopping in case it becomes a strict quarantine.

Food and drug stores will remain open, and there are phone apps to have it delivered at your door, if you have the virus. No worries.

[RealGunner]

UK moves closer to a lockdown.

Schools shut.

[Unique]

Not sure what Italy are doing to stop it but whatever it is it's not working. More and more are dying by the day.

[Myesyats]

I made reserves of weed then i bought The idiot by Doistoïevski which is long overdue i read it. That was my coronavirus panic shopping in case it becomes a strict quarantine.

Food and drug stores will remain open, and there are phone apps to have it delivered at your door, if you have the virus. No worries.

uuuffff Dostoevsky is surely the best panic buy during this frenzy

Big up my man

[Babun]

Likely to do what they have been doing for years, use every opportunity to expand their power in geopolitics.

You have this Serbian president now crying on tv saying that european solidarity is over and that Xi is his brother and friend. It's a power move by the chinese government to gain a foothold in these countries.

If they were trying to make up for it they wouldn't jail doctors and journalists that try to report on the virus, they wouldn't run their propaganda machine to blame the pandemic on the US.

You mix up politics with the people in China and the Wuhan virus outbreak.
1. People in China are just like you and me. There is no typical Chinese, like in Africa or India, people in every region are distinct in various ways. Think north and south Italy as example but on a much bigger scale, 1.3 billion scale.
2. The politics of the regime is totalitarian shit. I agree about that one. The sooner it collapses the better it is for them and the world in the long run. If you don't want to support China's policy just refrain from buying their products.
3. A global outbreak cannot be solved localy. Say China gets it under control so no infected is present anymore. One infected from the outside is enough to start off the chain again. The right move is to help out each other, so there is no carrier or spreader around anymore. That's what Germany, China and Italy are doing. As soon as the outbreak started, Germany and Italy sent maks and other equipment to China, USA did nothing. When the outbreak started in Italy, Germany and China sent equipment to Italy. Do you see a pattern?
What did the USA do? They put the problem under the carpet until Trump couldn't ignore it anymore. The best they came up with was getting exclusive rights on CureVac just for the US Americans. Iran for example cannot bring the outbreak under control partially because the medical resources they need is under embargo. Instead of lifting the embargo on medical devices/medicaments they wanted to send people ( certainly mixed up with CIA agenst ) into the country. Their "help" was rightfuly denied, the media in the west acted as if Iran is being unreasonable. So, if we eradicate the virus all over the world, are we supposed to isolate Iran forever somehow and to live in fear of getting the infection back?
The most recent and deadliest pandemics came from USA: Spanish flu and swine flu.

Please point to a single comment that I have ever made that mixes up chinese people and the chinese government.

I have never said anything against chinese people, on GL or otherwise.

Sorry, I quoted the wrong guy. It was meant towards Unique.

Die Zahlen aus Italien sind erschreckend.

China liefert der Europäischen Union große Mengen Schutzmasken und Testsets für den Kampf gegen das Coronavirus. Dies teilte EU-Kommissionschefin Ursula von der Leyen am Mittwoch nach einem Telefonat mit dem chinesischen Regierungschef Li Keqiang mit. In einer Videobotschaft auf Twitter sprach sie von zwei Millionen Stück Mundschutz, 200 000 sogenannten N95-Masken und 50 000 Virus-Tests.

Source: https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/live206505337/Coronavirus-4200-Neuinfektionen-an-einem-Tag-in-Italien-Liveticker.html
China is Sending 2 millions face masks, 200 000 N95-masks especially for the medics and 50 000 virus tests in the first batch. They keep producing them now.

@Mods:
The thread is about Covid-19 pandemic. If I were you I would separate all of the leftwing/rightwing/politics posts into a separate thread called something like "...China...".

[Arquitecto]

None of Rincon or I or Myestats can be accused of racism/discrimination etc given no criticism is directed towards the Han or general Chinese populace as it is.

If it is Unique then he has his own way of expressing things and GL has learned to accept it for what it is...


..I think..

[The Demon of Carthage]

Not sure what Italy are doing to stop it but whatever it is it's not working. More and more are dying by the day.

Italy isn't actually doing anything wrong, but the reason they are doing much worse than, say South Korea (I'm going to use them as an example because they have been managing the disease really well), is down to different factors:

1. Age disparity: In Italy, 90% of the more than 1,000 deaths occur in those 70 or older. By contrast, the outbreak in South Korea has occurred among much younger people.

2. Gender: COVID-19 is killing more men than women (overall death rate is 4.7% in men versus 2.8% in women). This is good news for South Korea where 62% of cases occur among women.

3. Smoking is another factor clearly associated with poor survival. Smoking rates are about the same between the two countries: 24% for Italians and 27% for South Koreans. But gender differences among smokers are widely different: In Italy, 28% of men versus 20% of women smoke, while in Korea, it is about 50% of men and less than 5% of women.

In other words, South Korea has an outbreak among youngish, non-smoking women, whereas Italy's disease is occurring among the old and the very old, many of whom are smokers.

This is why you can't say "hey, this X country has been better than this Y country in managing the virus" because the outcome depends on the aforementioned factors. Factors that the country  itself has no control over.

I'll say this though: countries like mine who still to this very day haven't done a total lockdown even though they can clearly see the devastating effects on countries like France or Italy who took it lightly and laughed off the idea of an early quarantine have only themselves to blame.

[Babun]

None of Rincon or I or Myestats can be accused of racism/discrimination etc given no criticism is directed towards the Han or general Chinese populace as it is.

If it is Unique then he has his own way of expressing things and GL has learned to accept it for what it is...


..I think..

The western world has brought plenty of death and sickness to the rest of the world over the past few hundred years... as angry as I am with China with this one, I felt a little hypocritical with my comments a few days ago.

Leprosy
Smallpox
Measles
Bubonic plague
Cholera

Just to name a few of our more popular ones...

Remember that smallpox wiped out the entire Aztec civilization.  So yeah...

dude this is 2020. most of them were around at the time that humans thought the earth was a centre of the universe. in this day and age china should not be spreading shit like this because they are a bunch of filthy fuckers that have very poor hygiene and eat disgusting food to go with a massive over population.

Nothing Unique about the post..
China/USA bashing, communism, capitalism etc. are offtopic in this thread unless related to the Wuhan virus.

[El Gunner]

Won't see my father for weeks, he had leukemia which he overcame, but apprently this will weaken him about coronavirus. My grandma suffers alzheimer and she lives in a nursing home, the most at risk place. Visits are not allowed anymore. So i fear she will die alone, what remains of her mind must have realized she does not get visits anymore, but she doesn't know about the virus.

sorry to hear that mate.
i'm sure the nurses are taking good care of your gran and rest there.

[CBarca]

So here is the question I have. I'm looking for some silver lining / a bit of hope.

Have we figured out how many people are asymptomatic carriers? While the idea of asymptomatic carriers roaming around the country infecting others without knowing is scary (and why I'm choosing to stay home and not see my parents for the time being...just in case). Isn't it simultaneously a good thing?

Is it possible we're actually well on our way to herd immunity, but we just don't know it yet?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking this idea as a reason to distrust social distancing and quarantining measures. I think what countries have done have generally been appropriate and I support it fully, but I'm just looking for a bit of upside.

[The Demon of Carthage]

70.000 échanges entre la police et des Français en infraction… 4.095 procès-verbaux ont été dressés...

Translation: 70.000 people have been stopped by police for checks in France, 4.095 have received a summons for going out without valid reasons.

It really bothers me, man. It bothers how irresponsible some people are.

[Babun]

So here is the question I have. I'm looking for some silver lining / a bit of hope.

Have we figured out how many people are asymptomatic carriers? While the idea of asymptomatic carriers roaming around the country infecting others without knowing is scary (and why I'm choosing to stay home and not see my parents for the time being...just in case). Isn't it simultaneously a good thing?

Is it possible we're actually well on our way to herd immunity, but we just don't know it yet?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking this idea as a reason to distrust social distancing and quarantining measures. I think what countries have done have generally been appropriate and I support it fully, but I'm just looking for a bit of upside.

According to RKI (Robert Koch Institute), about 8% of the positivly tested in Germany don't show any symptoms. They even get healthy again without ever showing symptoms.

[El Gunner]

few people in Africa who initially tested positive later tested negative

[The Demon of Carthage]

Is it possible we're actually well on our way to herd immunity, but we just don't know it yet?

You've brought up an excellent point. Herd immunity means that a large portion of the world population becomes infected with COVID-19, but many recover and are then immune to it.

So the first question you need to ask yourself here is: how many people are immune to it now? The second question that you should be asking yourself is: After you recover from COVID-19, is it impossible for you to get it again?

If the answer to the first question exceeds 50% and the answer to the second question is yes, then herd immunity should be seriously considered as a viable option.

Problem is, we still know very little of this virus. We don't know how many will recover from it and whether or not they will still be immune to it afterwards.

This is why shooting for herd immunity at this point is very risky. It could work, but it could also backfire and you end up having more dead people than you can even count.

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