How is Arsenal looking compared

alexjanosik wrote:I think they will really strugggle this season.
Looking down the first eleven and squad I see a lot of average players and the players they brought in are not world class.
Arteta is probably past it but could surprise.Mertesacker is a decent signing but again not world class.
Gervinho and Chamberlain.LOL.No comment.
of the season.

you don't rate Gervinho ?

Adam has better shots and better crosses great midfielder but I would still have Wilshere over Adam.

djoe26 wrote:
If i am not mistaken, adam had only 4 assists last season while Wilshere had 3 assists. Adam played in Blackpool and was thier best player and played advanced role while Jack played deeper role because Fabregas had the advanced role.

Adam played as a deep lying playmaker kinda the role Alonso played for us not as in any advanced role.

He got 12 goals (few penalties) and 8 assists playing for a relegated team.Its a great return for DLP when u consider how much assists the likes of Modric and Alonso who played the similar position got.Not saying as good as them mind u.

RealGunner wrote:

alexjanosik wrote:I think they will really strugggle this season.
Looking down the first eleven and squad I see a lot of average players and the players they brought in are not world class.
Arteta is probably past it but could surprise.Mertesacker is a decent signing but again not world class.
Gervinho and Chamberlain.LOL.No comment.
of the season.

you don't rate Gervinho ?

He is a good player but he wont win you trophies.
Its the same problem when I hear people say that Juve spent 90 mil and had a good transfer window.
Well they spent 90 mil getting average players.
Arsenal wont get back to the top buying players like Gervinho.They need world class players.
They have plenty of money so I just dont get why Arsene wont spend.
Marqueee signings get a club back to the top.
Not signings like Gervinho and Chamberlain.

Lord Spencer wrote:It is sad and funny to see you guys argue over something you will see the result of in this season's conclusion.

Pool fans insist Gerrard is an ageless miracle, well good for you. Fact is that it is not true, Gerrard declined rapidly from top 10 midfielder to top 30 midfielder (an I am being generous). You can say all you like to say about Gerrard with one leg being better then Jack, but you saying it does not mean its true.

And dnmac, I don't buy the Adams hype. I will reserve judgment to seeing him in this season. Being a big fish in a small pond is easy, and I can name a good number of players who are great at small clubs and then not so much at big clubs. I respect your opinion, but 3 games cannot accurately sum up a player.

Just wait till the end of the season to see the actual results.

For starters Gerrard struggled with injuries last year not declined.When fit he was still as good as he has been in the past.He still was one of the best players on show against both United and Chelsea when he was fit last season.I would like u if u could point out some facts how Gerrard has declined because this is a random assumption being made without any proof.Yes wilshere had a better season last season but not better player.A fully fit Gerrard is far superior to Wilshere still.

And no it isnt because he is a Liverpool legend otherwise i would be believing Carragher is still world class.

Agree with Adam though he still has to prove he is not just a big fish in small pond but so far he has been excellent albeit in 3 games.But that shouldnt take away the fact that he was one of the best midfielders in the league last season.

I'd take Wilshere at Liverpool in a heartbeat. Different player to Adam, but could definitely compete for a starting place in our side and would fit the club's new policy to a "T".

BeautifulGame wrote:A fully fit Gerrard is far superior to Wilshere

And a fully fit RVP is one of the best strikers in the world, but that's not how it works according to this forum

Who are we to go against the flow, eh

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

McLewis wrote:The OPs question came far too soon to answer with any certainty. Should ask this question in 2 or 3 months. Can get far better assessments.

And neither Vermaelen or Agger are WC. They're just really great defenders.

Neither have done enough on any level to warrant that distinction.

Did'nt you hear?

half a decent season makes you world class now sometimes you dont even need that( See Issac Newton's Theory of Marcelo for reference)

The term gets thrown around far too often in terms of so many players that simply are undeserving of that honorific. It's rather annoying honestly.

As a Romanista, I can say without a shred of hesitation that we only have ONE world-class player. Not De Rossi, not Juan, Not Stekelenburg (though he's damn close to it, if not debatable). It's Totti.

It's not a hard thing for me to admit at all and it shouldn't be for fans of other clubs.

2010/2011 Season...

Charlie Adam




I wish I could find Wilshere's stats of last season but I can assure you that his passing accuracy is superior to Adam's.

So these stats are not in Adam's favor.

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highburied wrote:2010/2011 Season...

Charlie Adam




I wish I could find Wilshere's stats of last season but I can assure you that his passing accuracy is superior to Adam's.

So these stats are not in Adam's favor.

Ever thought it was because he was playing with a championship quality players last year.And his passing ratio is already near 80% this year for us and also last year was at the top ed of players in creating chances in the league if these stats mean that much.

BeautifulGame wrote:

djoe26 wrote:
If i am not mistaken, adam had only 4 assists last season while Wilshere had 3 assists. Adam played in Blackpool and was thier best player and played advanced role while Jack played deeper role because Fabregas had the advanced role.

Adam played as a deep lying playmaker kinda the role Alonso played for us not as in any advanced role.

He got 12 goals (few penalties) and 8 assists playing for a relegated team.Its a great return for DLP when u consider how much assists the likes of Modric and Alonso who played the similar position got.Not saying as good as them mind u.

This is an exact reason why some of these posters on this board are so hard to take. Where did you get that Adam had 4 assists last season? I mean it takes 2 seconds to type in a google search. Also, these same posters slamming Adam for playing on a bad team are the same people who say Messi is so good because he has Xavi and Iniesta and plays in a Barca system where anyone could be good. Make up your freaking minds.

Do you know how hard it is to shine on a relegation team? You say Wilshire could have had so many assists, how about Adam playing with competent strikers don't you think he could have had more assists too? It goes both ways people. I mean 3 games at Liverpool and 1 goal and 3 assists. Need I say more?

The whole argument is about RIGHT NOW, so saying he is good for his age at X is totally irrelevant. The post said Wilshire may be better in the future but RIGHT NOW Adam does more to help his team win.

Also, don't give me that Wilshire could score more goals if he didn't play further back, he has the worst shot on him of any "good" player I have ever seen. It is borderline pathetic, there were times last year he was tee'd up in front of goal and shit the bed. He had 49 appearances and 2 goals for one of the most attacking teams in Europe. OPEN YOUR EYES.

If these stats mean that much??

They tell the true story because you cannot convince trolls like dncma..

McLewis wrote:

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

McLewis wrote:The OPs question came far too soon to answer with any certainty. Should ask this question in 2 or 3 months. Can get far better assessments.

And neither Vermaelen or Agger are WC. They're just really great defenders.

Neither have done enough on any level to warrant that distinction.

Did'nt you hear?

half a decent season makes you world class now sometimes you dont even need that( See Issac Newton's Theory of Marcelo for reference)

The term gets thrown around far too often in terms of so many players that simply are undeserving of that honorific. It's rather annoying honestly.

As a Romanista, I can say without a shred of hesitation that we only have ONE world-class player. Not De Rossi, not Juan, Not Stekelenburg (though he's damn close to it, if not debatable). It's Totti.

It's not a hard thing for me to admit at all and it shouldn't be for fans of other clubs.

The question is what exactly is the definition of a world class player.U cant particularly define it and will always vary based on opinions.So what in one's opinion is not a world class player will be in another person's opinion.Neither of them are wrong because there is no definition of a world class player IMO

how can you compare a 19 year old breakthrough season kid with a 31 year old experienced adam ? if adam was so good why didn't he make blackpool stay in the premier league. wilshere was the most consistent player for arsenal and he constantly made man of the match performances. fabregas was injured most of the season and wilshere was the one who lived up to the pressure and he justified his hype.

the only thing adam is good at was his freekicks, i suggest you watch blackpool vs arsenal and you will see how easily adam was owned by wilshere in both fixtures. this season its just the start and we will see how adam will go on for the next 10 matches are so. i willing to bet his early season form will drop same way it did for blackpool.

Arsenal have made really good purchases, i just dont understand people coming and saying they are average buys. Metasacker was the best player for werder, Arteta is the vital for everton and the rest of the purchases are just wenger trasnfers and we all know he is the master at it. park chu youngs deal and santos agreement are just not the panic buys they have been proper structured deals and such deals take time to negotiate.

Just like arsenal, liver also made shrewd buys downing had a decent season at villa, adam was good at blackpool and so was henderson but all of these buys are not so great Exceptional Quality type. so its just a matter of how long the current form of liverpool with sustain. let the injuries hit them and we will see. how they do will 8-9 players out. so i suggest before jumping on conclusion you so should consider how your own team will do if faced with a similar situation.

Lex wrote:

BeautifulGame wrote:A fully fit Gerrard is far superior to Wilshere

And a fully fit RVP is one of the best strikers in the world, but that's not how it works according to this forum

Who are we to go against the flow, eh

And where have i exactly denied that .Pretty pointless reply to make based on the context of this thread and my comment

highburied wrote:2010/2011 Season...

Charlie Adam




I wish I could find Wilshere's stats of last season but I can assure you that his passing accuracy is superior to Adam's.

So these stats are not in Adam's favor.

Exactly, this proves adam is a set piece specialist not a complete midfielder like wilshere.

so Wilshere >> Adam

he scored 8 penalties.

usman111 wrote:

how can you compare a 19 year old breakthrough season kid with a 31 year old experienced adam ? if adam was so good why didn't he make blackpool stay in the premier league. wilshere was the most consistent player for arsenal and he constantly made man of the match performances. fabregas was injured most of the season and wilshere was the one who lived up to the pressure and he justified his hype.

the only thing adam is good at was his freekicks, i suggest you watch blackpool vs arsenal and you will see how easily adam was owned by wilshere in both fixtures. this season its just the start and we will see how adam will go on for the next 10 matches are so. i willing to bet his early season form will drop same way it did for blackpool.

Arsenal have made really good purchases, i just dont understand people coming and saying they are average buys. Metasacker was the best player for werder, Arteta is the vital for everton and the rest of the purchases are just wenger trasnfers and we all know he is the master at it. park chu youngs deal and santos agreement are just not the panic buys they have been proper structured deals and such deals take time to negotiate.

Just like arsenal, liver also made shrewd buys downing had a decent season at villa, adam was good at blackpool and so was henderson but all of these buys are not so great Exceptional Quality type. so its just a matter of how long the current form of liverpool with sustain. let the injuries hit them and we will see. how they do will 8-9 players out. so i suggest before jumping on conclusion you so should consider how your own team will do if faced with a similar situation.

Adam is 25 years old not 31.Check your facts please appearances can be really deceptive

And wilshere is so good why didnt Arsenal didnt win the league last year.I can too make these silly arguments.No single player can save a team its a team game.

As for Wilshere owning Adam i also saw a midfield of Oshea and Gibson owning wilshere.He must be very shit then .Isnt he?

Oh we did pretty well last season at Emirates against a full strength Arsenal team with 8-9 players out.We cerainly wont lose 8-2 i am pretty sure even if send out a reserve sqaud.

And Mertesacker best player for Bremen ?Why do u talk about stuff without any knowledge about Bremen last year.If u dont know for a fact Bremen let more than 60 goals (exactly 61 i think) so he certainly wasnt their best player last season.very good player mind u but had a poor season ( not exactly his fault alone) and certainly not their best player.

Oh Park was a proper structured deal and was negotiating till then?Then why the heck did he undergo medical for Lille

BeautifulGame wrote:

I can too make these silly arguments.

We cerainly wont lose 8-2 i am pretty sure even if send out a reserve sqaud.

Yea you certainly can .

And I can too . Keeping with the theme .

I'm certain the Arsenal reserves wont lose to Northampton at home .

drakefyre wrote:

BeautifulGame wrote:

I can too make these silly arguments.

We cerainly wont lose 8-2 i am pretty sure even if send out a reserve sqaud.

Yea you certainly can .

And I can too . Keeping with the theme .

I'm certain the Arsenal reserves wont lose to Northampton at home .

When we lose like that due to manager incompetence we make sure the manager is sacked

That comment was just sarcasm

Adam is 25 years old not 31.Check your facts please appearances can be really deceptive
sorry i miscounted he was born in 1985 so that makes 26 years.


And wilshere is so good why didnt Arsenal didnt win the league last year.I can too make these silly arguments.No single player can save a team its a team game.
As for Wilshere owning Adam i also saw a midfield of Oshea and Gibson owning wilshere.He must be very shit then .Isnt he?
again i was talking about the consistency of a footballer. wilshere was the most consistent player,
charlie adam
Individual honors
Championship PFA Team of the Year (1): 2009–10
Championship Player of the Month (1): January 2010

Jack wilshere Individual honors
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2010–11
PFA Team of the Year: 2010–11

Even Sir Alex said adams only good at freekicks after the game at OT



And Mertesacker best player for Bremen ?Why do u talk about stuff without any knowledge about Bremen last year.If u dont know for a fact Bremen let more than 60 goals (exactly 61 i think) so he certainly wasnt their best player last season.very good player mind u but had a poor season ( not exactly his fault alone) and certainly not their best player.
I was not saying anything about last year but still he is a great defender none the less. its just the way wenger works he himself said he either signs late or early.

Oh Park was a proper structured deal and was negotiating till then?Then why the heck did he undergo medical for Lille
it was because wenger was scouting him and when he learned about the lille medical he quickly moved to get him and i think most players would not miss a chance to play for arsenal.

BeautifulGame wrote:

drakefyre wrote:

BeautifulGame wrote:

I can too make these silly arguments.

We cerainly wont lose 8-2 i am pretty sure even if send out a reserve sqaud.

Yea you certainly can .

And I can too . Keeping with the theme .

I'm certain the Arsenal reserves wont lose to Northampton at home .

When we lose like that due to manager incompetence

I know , what was Roy thinking playing himself as the CB . And score two self-goals .

BeautifulGame wrote:we make sure the manager is sacked

I'm pretty sure if Northampton beat Arsenal at home , they'll too sack the sackable entities .

usman111 wrote:Adam is 25 years old not 31.Check your facts please appearances can be really deceptive
sorry i miscounted he was born in 1985 so that makes 26 years.


And wilshere is so good why didnt Arsenal didnt win the league last year.I can too make these silly arguments.No single player can save a team its a team game.
As for Wilshere owning Adam i also saw a midfield of Oshea and Gibson owning wilshere.He must be very shit then .Isnt he?
again i was talking about the consistency of a footballer. wilshere was the most consistent player,
charlie adam
Individual honors
Championship PFA Team of the Year (1): 2009–10
Championship Player of the Month (1): January 2010

Jack wilshere Individual honors
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2010–11
PFA Team of the Year: 2010–11

Even Sir Alex said adams only good at freekicks after the game at OT



And Mertesacker best player for Bremen ?Why do u talk about stuff without any knowledge about Bremen last year.If u dont know for a fact Bremen let more than 60 goals (exactly 61 i think) so he certainly wasnt their best player last season.very good player mind u but had a poor season ( not exactly his fault alone) and certainly not their best player.
I was not saying anything about last year but still he is a great defender none the less. its just the way wenger works he himself said he either signs late or early.

Oh Park was a proper structured deal and was negotiating till then?Then why the heck did he undergo medical for Lille
it was because wenger was scouting him and when he learned about the lille medical he quickly moved to get him and i think most players would not miss a chance to play for arsenal.

You take these awards seriously? SMH Bale best player in PL FTW
Then for your info Adam was nominated for the best player category last season and wilshere wasnt.Then i am sure PFA feels Adam was a better season than Wilshere.

Oh Ferguson said Adam's corners alone are worth 10 mil not that only good at corners.Reading comprehension fail.And it was after the game at Blackpool not OT if u want to reread his comments again

Again can u tell me which season was Mertesacker Bremen's best player? Because i am certain u said mertesacker was Bremen's best player.

Seriously u know your explanation of Park is how ridiculous.Ya he knew he is signing for Arsenal all season thats why he went under medical for Lille.Some trust in wenger then

drakefyre wrote:

BeautifulGame wrote:

drakefyre wrote:

BeautifulGame wrote:

I can too make these silly arguments.

We cerainly wont lose 8-2 i am pretty sure even if send out a reserve sqaud.

Yea you certainly can .

And I can too . Keeping with the theme .

I'm certain the Arsenal reserves wont lose to Northampton at home .

When we lose like that due to manager incompetence

I know , what was Roy thinking playing himself as the CB . And score two self-goals .

BeautifulGame wrote:we make sure the manager is sacked

I'm pretty sure if Northampton beat Arsenal at home , they'll too sack the sackable entities .

U dont need to be incompent just because 2 play CB who score own goal.

And we will certainly sack our manager if we lose 8-2 too

And i already said u quoted a comment out of context which was a light hearted comment.Maybe one should add a coffee guy comment when making light hearted comments everytime then

dnmac4 wrote:

This is an exact reason why some of these posters on this board are so hard to take. Where did you get that Adam had 4 assists last season? I mean it takes 2 seconds to type in a google search. Also, these same posters slamming Adam for playing on a bad team are the same people who say Messi is so good because he has Xavi and Iniesta and plays in a Barca system where anyone could be good. Make up your freaking minds.

Do you know how hard it is to shine on a relegation team? You say Wilshire could have had so many assists, how about Adam playing with competent strikers don't you think he could have had more assists too? It goes both ways people. I mean 3 games at Liverpool and 1 goal and 3 assists. Need I say more?

The whole argument is about RIGHT NOW, so saying he is good for his age at X is totally irrelevant. The post said Wilshire may be better in the future but RIGHT NOW Adam does more to help his team win.

Also, don't give me that Wilshire could score more goals if he didn't play further back, he has the worst shot on him of any "good" player I have ever seen. It is borderline pathetic, there were times last year he was tee'd up in front of goal and shit the bed. He had 49 appearances and 2 goals for one of the most attacking teams in Europe. OPEN YOUR EYES.

Sorry my mistake, thought it was 4 assist. But if you only look at stats and not looking at how players play then Adam >>>> Nasri cause he only had 3-4 assists in his arsenal career.

I dont think its hard for a player to shine in relegation team. Ibrahimovic as we all know was beast when he played for inter but didnt do well when he came to barca. And thats because he Messi was there so he couldnt shine as he did in inter.

Most of adams assists came from corners so you dont need a good striker for that. All you need is a player who is good at heading goals. His most goals came from penalties. Iam not saying that Adam is useless but the way i see is that wilshere is better and could be even better.

Anyway lets spare our comments to the season end.

usman111 wrote:Adam is 25 years old not 31.Check your facts please appearances can be really deceptive
sorry i miscounted he was born in 1985 so that makes 26 years.


And wilshere is so good why didnt Arsenal didnt win the league last year.I can too make these silly arguments.No single player can save a team its a team game.
As for Wilshere owning Adam i also saw a midfield of Oshea and Gibson owning wilshere.He must be very shit then .Isnt he?
again i was talking about the consistency of a footballer. wilshere was the most consistent player,
charlie adam
Individual honors
Championship PFA Team of the Year (1): 2009–10
Championship Player of the Month (1): January 2010

Jack wilshere Individual honors
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2010–11
PFA Team of the Year: 2010–11

Even Sir Alex said adams only good at freekicks after the game at OT



And Mertesacker best player for Bremen ?Why do u talk about stuff without any knowledge about Bremen last year.If u dont know for a fact Bremen let more than 60 goals (exactly 61 i think) so he certainly wasnt their best player last season.very good player mind u but had a poor season ( not exactly his fault alone) and certainly not their best player.
I was not saying anything about last year but still he is a great defender none the less. its just the way wenger works he himself said he either signs late or early.

Oh Park was a proper structured deal and was negotiating till then?Then why the heck did he undergo medical for Lille
it was because wenger was scouting him and when he learned about the lille medical he quickly moved to get him and i think most players would not miss a chance to play for arsenal.

This is pathetic, how much stuff are you going to lie about or just totally make up? This is the second Arsenal fan to just make shit up about Adam. One says he he had 4 assists last year no clue how he came to that, you say he's 31 years old, I mean thats a pretty big mistake it's almost half of a career. And then you totally make up the SAF quote which is the worst of your lies because SAF was paying hima huge compliment and you turn it into SAF slamming him. You are one pathetic human being .