Re: Political Correctness, LGBTQ, #meToo and other related topics

by McLewis Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:49 pm

El Gunner wrote:when will we know the playing field has been levelled? will it ever be levelled? will there ever be true "equity" and "equality"? or just ever continuous culture wars?

I believe the playing field will be level when this country chooses to truly reckon with the racism of its past and then chooses to take actions using that new found recognition, which will cause pain of various magnitudes and forms to those who are unaccustomed to feeling it because they've wrapped themselves in a white-washed bubble wrap.

However, I'm cynical enough to know that the playing field will never be truly level. There are too many forces aligned to ensure that never happens.

by Pedram Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:38 am

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Jfc saying "I like girls" would have been enough Billie.

by El Gunner Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:54 am

well i mean the tomboy vibes was always kinda clear to see

by McLewis Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:48 pm

I'm indifferent. Hip Hop and R&B artists describe graphic sexual acts ad infinitum and it's become completely normalized. Billie Eilish expressing something many have long suspected she was into isn't all that earth-shattering to me.

by Myesyats Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:41 pm

I was gonna say that, its nothing compared to what Cardi B and the Nicki Minajes of this world are 'rapping' about.

Anyway couldnt be less surprised. I'd probably prefer girls too if I were a girl as they take better care of themselves hmm

by Arquitecto Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:48 pm

I don't even know why in 2024 that is supposed to be sensational news as it is.

by McLewis Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:22 pm

We'll continue our discussion here @Sportczy

The link I see you in post in the Olympics is this one - https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/sex-matters-why-transgender-athletes-must-not-compete-against-biological-females/

I never saw the link to the medical study you quote referenced until I clicked edit on your post to see the actual URL, which shows me this: https://www.news-medical.net/news/20230627/Age-of-gender-dysphoria-diagnosis-continues-to-decline.aspx

That's why I worded the response the way that I did. It appeared to me that you were using an editorial from a non-scientist to pass scientific judgement on transgender athletes while quoting from a study with no source. Perhaps you realized the discrepancy and edited your post with the correct link, but I hope you know that I'm not so far gone to the "progressive borg" that I would discard a medical study from an actual scientist without actually reading it.

Having said that now that I've had a chance to actually read Dr. Craig's study, I don't completely disagree with her findings yet the reference material is thin. I would expect such a definitive stance to have more than 1 scholarly source to back it up. As far as I know, there is no definitive professional consensus on this topic, as this article outlines..

by Pedram Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:54 pm

J.K. Rowling has deleted 27 tweets since being named in a lawsuit brought by Olympic Women's Boxing Gold Medalist Imane Khelif. Rowling has also not tweeted in 13 days.

Do you think she's scared? pic.twitter.com/GXEDAyOSUM
— Creepy.org (@creepydotorg) August 21, 2024

by El Gunner Wed Aug 21, 2024 7:04 pm

scared?
probably just wise

by Myesyats Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:30 am

dis still up

The idea that those objecting to a male punching a female in the name of sport are objecting because they believe Khelif to be ‘trans’ is a joke. We object because we saw a male punching a female. https://t.co/KSAM5RCl1S
— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) August 2, 2024

by McLewis Thu Aug 22, 2024 7:37 pm

More evidence for the lawsuit that's coming.

JK's a billionaire so it's doubtful her empire is in peril from this, but no one has had her shook like this. That alone is an accomplishment.

by Pedram Sat Nov 16, 2024 8:21 pm

Ladies, we need to start considering the 4B movement like the women in South Korea and give America a severely sharp birth rate decline:

- no marriage
- no childbirth
- no dating men
- no sex with men

We can’t let these men have the last laugh… we need to bite back
— (@lalisasaura) November 6, 2024

I won't fuck you because you voted for Trump. rofl

Liberalism has turned into a meme. honestly these people deserve to lose for eternity.

by Myesyats Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:33 am

This is why women used to not be allowed to vote

If you think patriarchy is toxic, just wait and sit back

by Warrior Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:42 am

I bet 95% of those women are single anyways Laughing

by El Gunner Sun Nov 17, 2024 7:07 am

Myesyats wrote:This is why women used to not be allowed to vote

If you think patriarchy is toxic, just wait and sit back

Western Society's fall began when they let women leave the kitchen

by Pedram Sun Nov 17, 2024 7:29 am

The best thing Trump could do for America is to uproot cultural liberalism out of existence, well they call it "woke" but it's the same thing.

Not sure if it's possible though since they are so entrenched at this point but i've already seen people like AOC removing their pronouns from their Twitter profiles so it's working to some extent i guess.

by Myesyats Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:27 pm

They tried to cancel dr Peterson for a reason, hell we used to argue about that @Pedram i see you've come around a little bit.

by futbol Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:44 pm

Pedram wrote:
Ladies, we need to start considering the 4B movement like the women in South Korea and give America a severely sharp birth rate decline:

- no marriage
- no childbirth
- no dating men
- no sex with men

We can’t let these men have the last laugh… we need to bite back
— (@lalisasaura) November 6, 2024

I won't fuck you because you voted for Trump.

Liberalism has turned into a meme. honestly these people deserve to lose for eternity.

Nothing new, I've read about a theory that feminism is basically a subconscious biological mechanism to elliminate reproductional competition, especially if you are an ugly woman who can't compete with beautiful women who get to pick from all the best men. Ever wondered why you rarely see beautiful hardcore feminists unless they are Hollywood celebs who are above those rules due to their fame and wealth?

The worst thing about the MeToo movement for women was not being molested but NOT being molested. If you are in the office and never get compliments about your appearence, never get "cat called" on the streets, no men looks at you, while some other women get all that, that's the real insult for a woman. So how did the ugly feminists turn it into a bad thing that beautiful women get all the attention? They labeled everything "sexist" that woman themselves actually want. At the peak of feminist wokeness men were supposed to ask every 30 seconds if "that's okay now" and preferably sign a contract to be sure before having sex. Yet no woman actually desires a pansy like that.

If this isn't an attempt, even if only subconsciously, from undesirable women to kill reproduction of beautiful women I don't know what is.

At the end of the day we're still animals with biological instincts, irrespective of our intellectual capabilities. A single woman in her mid 30s will naturally panic even in 2024 if she hasn't reproduced yet because her biological instincts tell her that she is only a couple years away from becoming the cat lady from Simpsons.

by Pedram Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:55 pm

Myesyats wrote:They tried to cancel dr Peterson for a reason, hell we used to argue about that @Pedram i see you've come around a little bit.

Hell nah i've been always an unrepentant class reductionist at heart. the thing we call wokism is simply the left wing of capitalism. it has nothing to do with i believe. why do you think it's so prevalent among the upper middle income? it's a ideology for liberals to feel good about themselves without the need to sacrifice their material interests. Thumbs up

i don't find them as annoying though. most of them are just misguided people with good intentions, well at least those who adhere by it unknowingly.

Btw Jordan Peterson is a hack.

by Myesyats Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:04 pm

Pedram wrote:
Myesyats wrote:They tried to cancel dr Peterson for a reason, hell we used to argue about that @Pedram i see you've come around a little bit.

Hell nah i've been always an unrepentant class reductionist at heart. the thing we call wokism is simply the left wing of capitalism. it has nothing to do with i believe. why do you think it's so prevalent among the upper middle income? it's a ideology for liberals to feel good about themselves without the need to sacrifice their material interests. i don't find them as annoying though. most of them are just misguided people with good intentions, well at least those who adhere by it unknowingly.

Btw Jordan Peterson is a hack.

Thats what I struggle with, do they really have good intentions? To me social justice is a pathological behavior because it comes with attacking men at no expense. Whatever you think of Peterson he explains it perfectly. If you see men as predators, it gives you every excuse to destroy them as you normally would deal with a predator. And if you intend to destroy men and make them weak, that's no good intention and leads to societal collapse because lets be honest men keep this shit running.

by Pedram Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:42 pm

Myesyats wrote:
Pedram wrote:
Myesyats wrote:They tried to cancel dr Peterson for a reason, hell we used to argue about that @Pedram i see you've come around a little bit.

Hell nah i've been always an unrepentant class reductionist at heart. the thing we call wokism is simply the left wing of capitalism. it has nothing to do with i believe. why do you think it's so prevalent among the upper middle income? it's a ideology for liberals to feel good about themselves without the need to sacrifice their material interests. i don't find them as annoying though. most of them are just misguided people with good intentions, well at least those who adhere by it unknowingly.

Btw Jordan Peterson is a hack.

Thats what I struggle with, do they really have good intentions? To me social justice is a pathological behavior because it comes with attacking men at no expense. Whatever you think of Peterson he explains it perfectly. If you see men as predators, it gives you every excuse to destroy them as you normally would deal with a predator. And if you intend to destroy men and make them weak, that's no good intention and leads to societal collapse because lets be honest men keep this shit running.

Well i did say most of them Laughing

The group you referred to are radical feminists. they are a small subset of feminists and they're not even widely accepted in the community tbh. as you can see how much TERFs like JK Rowling are hated in the "woke" circle.

Let's not straw man an entire group. not all of them are evil like how Peterson or Shapiro want you to believe.

by Myesyats Sun Nov 17, 2024 7:26 pm

Peterson doesnt think they're evil, he just says there are women who have personality traits that lead to toxic behavior (and he doesnt blame women), but these traits usually manifest themselves in other ways than male toxic traits ( in physical violence). Cancel culture and political correctness is a result of women being overprotective. And boy is this true. I know real life examples of how destructive an overly-attached mother can be, and how their kids never grow up because of it. This over-protectiveness manifests itself in the political environment. You can say the overprotective mother has good intentions but the issue arises when she sees predators everywhere that are a threat to her "children".

It's a purely scientific standpoint regardless of what you think of JP in general as a person. They tried to cancel him because "new science" will claim there are no male-female biological differences (or that they are irrelevant):

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And looking at the state of society im not sure we can brush it away anymore as just a fringe minority of radicals. They make it so that people identify themselves as their group identity so it really doesnt matter how many of them are there, it matters how much power they have.

by Pedram Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:26 am

Myesyats wrote:Peterson doesnt think they're evil, he just says there are women who have personality traits that lead to toxic behavior (and he doesnt blame women), but these traits usually manifest themselves in other ways than male toxic traits ( in physical violence). Cancel culture and political correctness is a result of women being overprotective. And boy is this true. I know real life examples of how destructive an overly-attached mother can be, and how their kids never grow up because of it. This over-protectiveness manifests itself in the political environment. You can say the overprotective mother has good intentions but the issue arises when she sees predators everywhere that are a threat to her "children".

It's a purely scientific standpoint regardless of what you think of JP in general as a person. They tried to cancel him because "new science" will claim there are no male-female biological differences (or that they are irrelevant):

And looking at the state of society im not sure we can brush it away anymore as just a fringe minority of radicals. They make it so that people identify themselves as their group identity so it really doesnt matter how many of them are there,it matters how much power they have.

That's the thing though, do these radicals have any power outside of academia and university campuses? on government at least they repeatedly keep getting rejected by people. Laughing

Like i said they are widespread in big cities and also quite entrenched in the education system but as long as they long are not in real positions of power they can't exert much influence on society.

by Vibe Mon Nov 18, 2024 9:19 am

Pedram's displays of critical thinking have been surprising.

I was mistaken in calling you an NPC and I am sorry for that.

by Myesyats Mon Nov 18, 2024 11:20 am

That's the thing though, do these radicals have any power outside of academia and university campuses? on government at least they repeatedly keep getting rejected by people.

Like i said they are widespread in big cities and also quite entrenched in the education system but as long as they long are not in real positions of power they can't exert much influence on society.

Well its all you really need, they guide students through education and release them into society. it starts with the education system so at the most crucial developmental stage, cancel culture and political correctness is a result of it (women's toxicity doesnt manifest itself in physical violence but in destroying reputation and then cancelation)

there is a resistance to it but for how long? people dont debate anymore because if you're a considered a predator, you're not allowed to participate and there's no debate with predators (because why would you? all you need is put a label on someone and they're discarded from society), liberal media in US won't accept certain guests if they vote for Trump etc,.

they use minorities as a shield to achieve these goals. Thats why you need 135 genders, we need to defend them all from the predators Twisted Evil

by Arquitecto Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:14 pm

used to think the same way of radical feminists but turns out they are our best friends for women turn into such androgynous harpies simply bc the society of men itself failed them so its a collective subconscious response similar to a wife who does not retain her femininity when she is around an indecisive manbaby for a husband.

like men asking for mens rights and needing a "mancave" to using a lumberjack theme to externally expand their masculinity or on the other side going to juvenile conventions meant for children is an example. of course there exist fantastic examples doesn't mean the age of the average man isn't now.

as said its the easiest time of all time therefore the lack of true struggle is what has softened the collective plight of men hence the hilarious pursuit of happiness and comfort as if that takes anyone anywhere.

solution to SJWs and feminists is simply to just ignore them and not take them seriously.

i know i dont.

and this ideal of genders is absolutely absurd along with the emphasis on gender surgery which all and all of the above simply comes from a lack of self.

that's it.

and this age is coming to a slow end bc ppl are a bit sick of it.

as for Pedram im glad you understand as ive never directly spoken to him but he is a nuanced and balanced thinker.

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