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Post by Robespierre on Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:09 am

so Lombardia

37298 infected
+2409 than yesterday

11137 hospitalized
+ 456 than yesterday  

1292 intensive care
+ 29 than yesterday

5402 deads
+ 541 than yesterday


And it is only Lombardia , the biggest hotbed yes. Deads in the whole nation today are 969

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Post by Unique on Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:22 am

the flu season lasts about 4 months per year and kills over 600,000 people per year in the world so we are told. in 3 months the corona virus has killed 27,000 people. so at the rate of deaths we see now it would take corona virus over 5 years to kill as many people as a 4 month flu season each year. now even if we want to double the death rate of corona virus for the next month it would still take 2.5 years to match the death rate of a seasonal flu outbreak. and im just going by the stats of people tested positive and the death rate being reported. if we add the thousends of people that have the virus and not been tested the number goes down.

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Post by CBarca on Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:12 am

Lockdown, social distancing, and exponential growth starts slowly. This thing only really started to get going (outside of china) in february.

Just a couple reasons but all of these are obvious. Do we really need or want to get into this?

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Post by Unique on Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:35 am

@CBarca wrote:Lockdown, social distancing, and exponential growth starts slowly. This thing only really started to get going (outside of china) in february.

Just a couple reasons but all of these are obvious. Do we really need or want to get into this?

do we really need or want to get into what? im talking about statistics not my opinion. the statistics are showing that the news are reporting the stats that make people panic but the real stats are showing that after a year of this thing it would have killed less people than the flu by far. i did a quick check on the death rate per person infected in the USA england and italy against the death rate for flu in the same countries and from what i can see the flu kills miles more people per year. the big thing is that im going on the death rate of reported cases but we all know that 10 times more people have been infected than the numbers shown so even going by the numbers reported the flu kills miles more people than this so if you add the real number of infected to the death rate it gets even smaller. in 2018 770,000 people died of AIDS. did you see that on the news. thats 2000 people per day died of aids in the world can you imagine how the world would react if the news reported 2000 deaths per day from AIDS. Shocked we get by day to day with 1,370,000 deaths per year from AIDS and flu alone and now the world is on lock down from something that could kill 300k people per year. seriously what is the thinking here. scratch

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Post by Warrior on Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:19 am

Fuck coronavirus, it's shit
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Post by Nishankly on Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:14 am

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:29 am

@Pedram wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

I'm "only" seeing 97k but I'm sure we'll get there tomorrow


https://ncov2019.live/

This one updates faster.


This page is made by a high schooler

Which would explain why it ejaculates prematurely but then apparently has to go to bed at 9pm (official numbers have overtaken it yesterday late night)

still, amazing effort

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Post by Art Morte on Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:53 am

Saw a comment that there could be a banking / financial crisis in America quite soon as people won't be able to make their mortgage payments which will lead to banks collapsing (like in 2008) unless government bailouts. I guess the same applies to other countries, too.
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Post by Jay29 on Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:39 am

@Unique

The point you're missing in your flu comparison is that we have the tools and means to fight flu, but not Covid-19.

We don't lockdown for flu because we have vaccines and therapeutic treatments that reduce how infectious it is and how fatal it can be. Even then, hospitals are still packed every winter with patients seriously ill with flu.

We're locking down for Covid-19 because there is no vaccine and there are very limited ways we can treat the serious cases. The best we can do for seriously ill patients is to hook them up to a ventilator and hope their body takes care of the rest.

I get what you're saying about death rates and protecting the vulnerable. However, at the moment it's simply not practical, for the following reasons:

1) We don't have enough tests to test everyone, so most of the time we don't know where the virus is and where it's spreading.
2) We don't yet have available anti-body tests that can tell us who has immunity.
3) The virus is very contagious. One person can infect up to three people. You're twice as more likely to pass on this virus than with influenza.
4) The majority of cases are asymptomatic yet still able to spread the disease.

So, as a nation, what can be done about these problems?

We need more tests. That's a given. But we have to wait for those tests to be developed and become available, at a time when global demand is extremely high. This could take weeks.

Meanwhile, the virus is spreading everywhere. What can we do about that? We can't make the virus less contagious and we can't identify which people are asymptomatic. Remember, this virus has an incubation period of 2-14 days and the onset of symptoms is far, far slower than with flu. Our only options then are to 1) let it spread everywhere because fuck it, we can't stop it or 2) impose physical distancing so it cannot spread, at a social and economical cost.

In case 1, millions of people become sick, 15% of which will require hospital treatment. No health care system in the world would be able to cope with the sheer number of people in need of treatment. The system collapses under the strain. Doctors, nurses and other professionals then become seriously ill and die from frequent exposure to the virus. A lack of available treatment means serious cases become critical, exponentially increasing the death rate. People with other serious conditions and illnesses are unable to get treatment (bad luck if you have a heart attack and need instant treatment if your hospitals are all full) and die.

In case 2, people still get sick, but the number of serious cases are fewer. Hospitals will be full but not overwhelmed. The health care system survives the peak. The economy suffers significant damage and people lose money and their jobs, but many lives will be saved and they'll still have access to health care. Short-term everyone suffers but long-term things get better. Tests become available, medical resources are expanded, our knowledge of the virus increases and we become overall better prepared to combat it.

It's give and take, no matter what you do. We either sacrifice our normality to save lives and protect our health care systems or we sacrifice lives and our health care system for our normality.

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Post by rincon on Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:59 am

@Art Morte wrote:Saw a comment that there could be a banking / financial crisis in America quite soon as people won't be able to make their mortgage payments which will lead to banks collapsing (like in 2008) unless government bailouts. I guess the same applies to other countries, too.

Makes sense, thats why governments are injecting money into the economy by bailing out companies and freezing rent, mortgages, and utility payments (or outright paying people like in Canada). They either go all-in on bailing everyone out, or the economy collapses.
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Post by Myesyats on Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:03 pm

@Art Morte wrote:Saw a comment that there could be a banking / financial crisis in America quite soon as people won't be able to make their mortgage payments which will lead to banks collapsing (like in 2008) unless government bailouts. I guess the same applies to other countries, too.

Yup. It will be the worst consequence of corona. Once the virus quiets down a little, possibly in the summer, it will be time to secure whatever savings we have.
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Post by Unique on Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:42 pm

@Nishankly wrote:
I been getting loads of these videos from people and we have a good laugh about it but I wish our police would do something like that to keep the idiots off the streets. Laughing

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Post by Firenze on Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:17 pm

UK Gov have said if we can keep the deaths to 20,000 then it will be a job well done...............

this is fucking scary, man. and I'm one of the people that took this very seriously since the start. My Grandma is showing symptoms now and she's 77.
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Post by Art Morte on Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:24 pm

@Firenze wrote:UK Gov have said if we can keep the deaths to 20,000 then it will be a job well done...............

this is fucking scary, man. and I'm one of the people that took this very seriously since the start. My Grandma is showing symptoms now and she's 77.


It's a war and the army is the healthcare system.

Good luck to your grandma. If she's anywhere near as persistent as you are posting shit line-ups, she'll pull through.
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Post by S on Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:51 pm

Italy just crossed the 10,000 death toll mark Neutral
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Post by Babun on Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:04 pm

Merkel said today social distancing is working out for us. The case doubling rate was extended from 2 days to 5 days. To be able to contain the sickness at any point we need to reach doubling rate in 10 days. That way the the collapse of the health care system can be avoided. The soft lockdown will persist no matter what until april 20th said the vice chancelor Braun.

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Post by Unique on Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:14 pm

After all this is finally over the world should impose crippling sanctions on china.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:24 pm

@Babun wrote:Merkel said today social distancing is working out for us. The case doubling rate was extended from 2 days to 5 days. To be able to contain the sickness at any point we need to reach doubling rate in 10 days. That way the the collapse of the health care system can be avoided. The soft lockdown will persist no matter what until april 20th said the vice chancelor Braun.


Braun is not vice chancellor, but minister of the chancelor's office, i.e. more like Merkel's chief of staff

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Post by Babun on Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:00 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Babun wrote:Merkel said today social distancing is working out for us. The case doubling rate was extended from 2 days to 5 days. To be able to contain the sickness at any point we need to reach doubling rate in 10 days. That way the the collapse of the health care system can be avoided. The soft lockdown will persist no matter what until april 20th said the vice chancelor Braun.


Braun is not vice chancellor, but minister of the chancelor's office, i.e. more like Merkel's chief of staff

You are right, Olaf Scholz is thre real one.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:11 pm

First riots in Italy. The target was a Lidl supermarket in Palermo

https://palermo.gds.it/articoli/cronaca/2020/03/26/palermo-in-20-coi-carrelli-della-spesa-pieni-ma-non-vogliono-pagare-tensione-alla-lidl-di-viale-regione-ee67e001-5ff9-400d-a23f-50d192c6c904/

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Post by Unique on Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:31 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:First riots in Italy. The target was a Lidl supermarket in Palermo

https://palermo.gds.it/articoli/cronaca/2020/03/26/palermo-in-20-coi-carrelli-della-spesa-pieni-ma-non-vogliono-pagare-tensione-alla-lidl-di-viale-regione-ee67e001-5ff9-400d-a23f-50d192c6c904/
they need to clamp down on that hard and fast before it gets out of hand

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Post by Art Morte on Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:35 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:First riots in Italy. The target was a Lidl supermarket in Palermo

https://palermo.gds.it/articoli/cronaca/2020/03/26/palermo-in-20-coi-carrelli-della-spesa-pieni-ma-non-vogliono-pagare-tensione-alla-lidl-di-viale-regione-ee67e001-5ff9-400d-a23f-50d192c6c904/


Are there no food banks in Italy? Ransacking a supermarket doesn't seem that smart to me, because they might close it down and that's one food source gone then...
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:48 pm

If I was going to loot a supermarket it sure as hell wouldn't be a Lidl

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Post by RealGunner on Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:59 am

Another 838 people died in Spain in the past 24 hours, the health ministry has announced - the highest daily rise in fatalities so far.

It brings the number of deaths from the virus to 6,528.

The total number of those infected rose to 78,797 from 72,248.
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Post by S on Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:06 pm

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/world-news/wuhan-shrimp-seller-identified-as-coronavirus-patient-zero/articleshow/74870327.cms
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