Is Lionel Messi Over Glorified?

nichabr wrote:I hate how people only name attacking players as the best ever...maldini is better than pele, messi and maradona even though he never won a WC so is beckenbauer...

based on what?

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:I hate how people only name attacking players as the best ever...maldini is better than pele, messi and maradona even though he never won a WC so is beckenbauer...

based on what?

based on being more complete footballers with better personalities which also makes them much better role models.

nichabr wrote:

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:I hate how people only name attacking players as the best ever...maldini is better than pele, messi and maradona even though he never won a WC so is beckenbauer...

based on what?

based on being more complete footballers with better personalities which also makes them much better role models.

What? Did you watch Pele and Maradona play? Are you actually basing that on their personalities?

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:I hate how people only name attacking players as the best ever...maldini is better than pele, messi and maradona even though he never won a WC so is beckenbauer...

based on what?

based on being more complete footballers with better personalities which also makes them much better role models.

What? Did you watch Pele and Maradona play? Are you actually basing that on their personalities?

Did you watch beckenbauer play or maldini play for the 25 years of consistency?...its not as if im calling maradonna and pele bad players i just think them being rated so highly while defenders never get any love...its very sad.

nichabr wrote:

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:I hate how people only name attacking players as the best ever...maldini is better than pele, messi and maradona even though he never won a WC so is beckenbauer...

based on what?

based on being more complete footballers with better personalities which also makes them much better role models.

What? Did you watch Pele and Maradona play? Are you actually basing that on their personalities?

Did you watch beckenbauer play or maldini play for the 25 years of consistency?...its not as if im calling maradonna and pele bad players i just think them being rated so highly while defenders never get any love...its very sad.

No I didn't. But i'm not the one making a sweeping statement, you are. You came out and made a statement and used personalities to back up your claim. Really?

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:I hate how people only name attacking players as the best ever...maldini is better than pele, messi and maradona even though he never won a WC so is beckenbauer...

based on what?

based on being more complete footballers with better personalities which also makes them much better role models.

What? Did you watch Pele and Maradona play? Are you actually basing that on their personalities?

Did you watch beckenbauer play or maldini play for the 25 years of consistency?...its not as if im calling maradonna and pele bad players i just think them being rated so highly while defenders never get any love...its very sad.

No I didn't. But i'm not the one making a sweeping statement, you are. You came out and made a statement and used personalities to back up your claim. Really?

yes and thats part of my claim...you need good a good personality to lead a team and both the players i named had great talent and great personality.

What I don't understand is how the best player in the world can be ovverglorified....this forum is astonishing...

nichabr wrote:yes and thats part of my claim...you need good a good personality to lead a team and both the players i named had great talent and great personality.

It's a simple question really. Did you see Maradona and Pele play?
If not, how can you arrive at your conclusion without actually having watched them play?

Personality and talent do make greats but thats not the only factors.

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:yes and thats part of my claim...you need good a good personality to lead a team and both the players i named had great talent and great personality.

It's a simple question really. Did you see Maradona and Pele play?
If not, how can you arrive at your conclusion without actually having watched them play?

Personality and talent do make greats but thats not the only factors.

only a few times with what i could find on them...same as maldini and beckenbauer since im not a 60 year old to have seen them in detail.

nichabr, smartest poster ever

nichabr wrote:

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:yes and thats part of my claim...you need good a good personality to lead a team and both the players i named had great talent and great personality.

It's a simple question really. Did you see Maradona and Pele play?
If not, how can you arrive at your conclusion without actually having watched them play?

Personality and talent do make greats but thats not the only factors.

only a few times with what i could find on them...same as maldini and beckenbauer since im not a 60 year old to have seen them in detail.

A few times? And you were able to deduce their whole careers work after watching a few games?

This is why its best to say that 'THE BEST PLAYER I HAVE EVER SEEN PLAY IS XXX' as it's something that you have been able to watch and come to your own conclusion.

nichabr deserves an admin status for his thoughts

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:yes and thats part of my claim...you need good a good personality to lead a team and both the players i named had great talent and great personality.

It's a simple question really. Did you see Maradona and Pele play?
If not, how can you arrive at your conclusion without actually having watched them play?

Personality and talent do make greats but thats not the only factors.

only a few times with what i could find on them...same as maldini and beckenbauer since im not a 60 year old to have seen them in detail.

A few times? And you were able to deduce their whole careers work after watching a few games?

This is why its best to say that 'THE BEST PLAYER I HAVE EVER SEEN PLAY IS XXX' as it's something that you have been able to watch and come to your own conclusion.

shouldn't that be obvious? god ive gotta put my age up or something...i don't think their is anyone on this site that has seen all of those players through out their careers....and even if i havent seen their whole career in detail it should not matter because i rate them on what i have seen.

nichabr wrote:shouldn't that be obvious? god ive gotta put my age up or something...i don't think their is anyone on this site that has seen all of those players through out their careers....and even if i havent seen their whole career in detail it should not matter because i rate them on what i have seen.

What you see? Then Quaresma, Kerlon and Freddy Adu are the best players i've ever seen because of youtube.

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:shouldn't that be obvious? god ive gotta put my age up or something...i don't think their is anyone on this site that has seen all of those players through out their careers....and even if i havent seen their whole career in detail it should not matter because i rate them on what i have seen.

What you see? Then Quaresma, Kerlon and Freddy Adu are the best players i've ever seen because of youtube.

and on the spot u think about highlight reels on youtube?...i guess people couldn't have seen the countless dvds/documentries which contain so much info and videos of these players that everyone talks about...nope it has to be youtube.

There is no such thing as the best footballer ever. To be labelled as the best footballer ever, one would have to be good at all aspects of the game, including goal keeping. Can't really find a player like that...

Hence why it is better to just separate them into their respective positions eg. best goal keeper, best full back, best striker, etc. Maldini is better than Pele and Maradona combined in every aspect of defending and defensive mind set whilst Maradona could pass the ball better with a broken foot than Maldini on his best day.

So why compare the two? Just accept both are on equal ground as legends of the game. Also, one shouldn't take TMO's threads serious. That boy is as nutty as squirell shit..

nichabr wrote:

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:shouldn't that be obvious? god ive gotta put my age up or something...i don't think their is anyone on this site that has seen all of those players through out their careers....and even if i havent seen their whole career in detail it should not matter because i rate them on what i have seen.

What you see? Then Quaresma, Kerlon and Freddy Adu are the best players i've ever seen because of youtube.

and on the spot u think about highlight reels on youtube?...i guess people couldn't have seen the countless dvds/documentries which contain so much info and videos of these players that everyone talks about...nope it has to be youtube.

Has it ever occured to you that the dvd/documentaries will focus 99% on their great points and highlights? The 1% will glance over a little bad spell they have had.

What DVD and documentaries are you watching that are giving complete objective and full insight into these players careers? I've watched tons of games of Cryuff, Pele, Maradona, The Kaiser and so on but I never tried to make a judgement on where they rank as the best as all I have watched are their stellar games.

Watching a few stellar games ain't really enough to start saying X player is the best ever.

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:

izzy wrote:

nichabr wrote:shouldn't that be obvious? god ive gotta put my age up or something...i don't think their is anyone on this site that has seen all of those players through out their careers....and even if i havent seen their whole career in detail it should not matter because i rate them on what i have seen.

What you see? Then Quaresma, Kerlon and Freddy Adu are the best players i've ever seen because of youtube.

and on the spot u think about highlight reels on youtube?...i guess people couldn't have seen the countless dvds/documentries which contain so much info and videos of these players that everyone talks about...nope it has to be youtube.

Has it ever occured to you that the dvd/documentaries will focus 99% on their great points and highlights? The 1% will glance over a little bad spell they have had.

What DVD and documentaries are you watching that are giving complete objective and full insight into these players careers? I've watched tons of games of Cryuff, Pele, Maradona, The Kaiser and so on but I never tried to make a judgement on where they rank as the best as all I have watched are their stellar games.

Watching a few stellar games ain't really enough to start saying X player is the best ever.

yes but how else are you going to judge past players....i jugde them based on their best not their worst... anyways just end this im getting tired of typing.

nichabr wrote:yes but how else are you going to judge past players....i jugde them based on their best not their worst... anyways just end this im getting tired of typing.

That's exactly what i'm talking about. But without seeing them at their worst how would we know how mentally strong they were? It's a very important trait that makes a player great. Constant clips of them duppying the opposition ain't really a good source.

by overglorified you mean :
dude 1 : hey you seen schalke's mascot
dude 2 : naa not really messi is still GOAT

BIG$PETER wrote:nichabr, smartest poster ever

nice use of sarcasm....makes u feel smarter?

I would like a mod to do something about the quoted post because if i can get -25% for calling someone a idiot straight out and not using sarcasm like a pussy i expect equal punishment for this.

If Sarcasm is punishable I probably would have been banned by now :lol!:

Doc wrote:There is no such thing as the best footballer ever. To be labelled as the best footballer ever, one would have to be good at all aspects of the game, including goal keeping. Can't really find a player like that...

Hence why it is better to just separate them into their respective positions eg. best goal keeper, best full back, best striker, etc. Maldini is better than Pele and Maradona combined in every aspect of defending and defensive mind set whilst Maradona could pass the ball better with a broken foot than Maldini on his best day.

So why compare the two? Just accept both are on equal ground as legends of the game. Also, one shouldn't take TMO's threads serious. That boy is as nutty as squirell shit..

Maybe we can say who is the best footballer in a certain position then?

The Franchise wrote:Souness might be the only UK pundit I listen to when he speaks, the only one I felt I generally agree with.

Not because of what he said about Messi, but he often speaks sense and is logical.

I find what he says intresting and its enough to further tell me, those who want to pretend Maradona is a clear cut above Messi are full of it.

Anyways, the only thing I dont like about Souness is he doesnt rate Totti...though to be fair, he does give fair reasons, but he just too harsh lol

Well he was a terrible manager, at least hes ok as a pundit maybe...Ive seen him sometimes and he always says things that are different instead of pundits who say what is popular or in the concensus.