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Post by The Franchise Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:24 pm


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Punished by who? Laughing the teams are breaking away from the sanctioning bodies that would normally deal out the punishment.

Well nobody if they leave the domestic leagues, but I dont think they are quite as willing to throw away the money they get from those as you seem to be.


There are no domestic leagues without these teams. Barça and Madrid have been negotiating their individual broadcasting deals for years anyway. I'm sure broadcasters will jump on whatever format the ESL comes up with. They'll probably start their own streaming service as well.

They have this thing ironed out.


So are they leaving the domestic leagues willingly or the FA's need them so much they will continue in them unpunished according to you?

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Post by farfan Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:27 pm

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Well nobody if they leave the domestic leagues, but I dont think they are quite as willing to throw away the money they get from those as you seem to be.


There are no domestic leagues without these teams. Barça and Madrid have been negotiating their individual broadcasting deals for years anyway. I'm sure broadcasters will jump on whatever format the ESL comes up with. They'll probably start their own streaming service as well.

They have this thing ironed out.


So are they leaving the domestic leagues willingly or the FA's need them so much they will continue in them unpunished according to you?


I think the ideal situation for them is to stay in the league until the ESL is properly sorted out. But I don't think the threat of an immediate ban is enough to deter them, they were propably expecting it.
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Post by Firenze Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:30 pm

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Post by The Franchise Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:33 pm

I am sure they are expecting it, but I believe the recourse would be to fight it to gain inclusion and not stepping out of it.

But for that inclusion, it will not be free. Even if the leagues are "nothing" without these big clubs, I dont think the FA's bend the knee without a fight here.

The FA and UEFA are only interested in their own pockets, so I dont think they will stand ideally by while these cowboy big teams set all the rules.

Regardless, I can only speak about what I hope, not what it is. I hope somehow these pathetic clubs end up on the losing side here despite my dislike for their opponents.
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Post by rincon Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:38 pm

@farfan wrote:
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Punished by who? Laughing the teams are breaking away from the sanctioning bodies that would normally deal out the punishment.

Well nobody if they leave the domestic leagues, but I dont think they are quite as willing to throw away the money they get from those as you seem to be.


There are no domestic leagues without these teams. Barça and Madrid have been negotiating their individual broadcasting deals for years anyway. I'm sure broadcasters will jump on whatever format the ESL comes up with. They'll probably start their own streaming service as well.

They have this thing ironed out.

There are so many problems with this though. Let's say we stay in Serie A, how is Serie A going to function when Juve, Inter, and Milan just got a 300m bonus plus whatever yearly revenue form the ESL that will surely be more than the CL/EL.

At which point is it pointless to play Juve-Verona?

In most seasons it becomes 1,2,3 the three big teams and in practice a separate league for the other 17. We will surely hear "Roma won the league this year" because they placed 4th after the super league clubs.
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Post by Kaladin Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:41 pm

@farfan wrote:
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Punished by who? Laughing the teams are breaking away from the sanctioning bodies that would normally deal out the punishment.



Ban players of their national teams is the best they can do

Which is equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot


Exactly.

Also, if the figures that are circulating are accurate, we can expect a significant salary bump for players. I'd bet most of them would take an x3 salary increase over a world cup appearance.


There is no way this happenz, legally they cannot ban players from NT, the court of arbitration of sport will intervene if such a decision is made and will bounce UEFA back to whatever hell hole they came from
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Post by S Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:43 pm

@Firenze wrote:yeah I have no problem with them shafting Uefa here in the slightest, but the way they've set this thing up...sheesh. I'll be watching every single game, I know it.


You will also be 'day 1' the moment TheSuperLeague™ comes out on PS5
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Post by urbaNRoots Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:45 pm

99% of Football fans will join in for the fun, despite the outrage.
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Post by Casciavit Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:46 pm

I tried to think of the positives and I can't say I thought too deeply about it, but if I was an owner for one of these teams I'd want to be involved too. It makes so much commercial sense. The financial benefits the founding clubs are going to get from this is something else. The financial risk involved from owners will decrease heavily.

It'll also increase brand exposure and commercial appeal around the world. Imagine an all star weekend with Messi and Ronaldo on the same team? They can even do attribute drills during the all star weekend to prop up individual players' brands. Imagine Mbappe winning a 100M or 200M race against Davies and Adama. Nike can brand him as the fastest player the world. They can even do a subscription service for the ESL specifically. Big teams facing against each other will always draw big numbers around the world, so they'll continually make bank from TV deals. It would be the football version of the NBA. Perez is a genius.

In terms of the exclusivity problem, well they can create their own version of Europa League where the top teams there can get promoted to the ESL.

Of course doing all of this would ruin the essence of football and completely Americanize it, but it makes sense from a business perspective. The fans are going to keep watching amidst the initial outrage. Hell TV ratings for this competition will probably be even higher than the CL.
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Post by Firenze Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:16 pm

Buyern's official statement

Regarding the plans to introduce a European Super League, says Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, CEO of FC Bayern: “FC Bayern did not participate in the planning of a Super League. We are convinced that the current statics in football guarantee a serious basis. FC Bayern welcomes the reforms of the Champions League because we believe that they are the right step for the development of European football. The modified preliminary round will contribute to more tension and emotionality in the competition. "
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Post by Collblanc Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:41 pm

@Firenze wrote:Buyern's official statement

Regarding the plans to introduce a European Super League, says Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, CEO of FC Bayern: “FC Bayern did not participate in the planning of a Super League. We are convinced that the current statics in football guarantee a serious basis. FC Bayern welcomes the reforms of the Champions League because we believe that they are the right step for the development of European football. The modified preliminary round will contribute to more tension and emotionality in the competition. "


lol, they will join regardless of this "statement". nothing here says that they wont join
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Post by Cyborg Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:51 pm

Imagine Uefa and Fifa are calling the clubs greedy. The hypocrisy.

The have the media going all out against the Super league as well

Uefa and Fifa are so scared that they'll lose all their power.



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Post by The Madrid One Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:35 pm

Chairman Perez just finished his press conference where he details the betrayal of "evil" UEFA and promises a better football world.

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Post by M99 Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:36 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
@S wrote:The Americanisation of football has just started



This makes no sense lol, no American Sport would do this. They're much smarter than that.

This is way worse than anything an American Sport has ever done.


The whole concept of closed leagues with no relegation/promotion or qualifiers come from American sports.

Just look up how Glazers and Kroenke said that the whole concept of teams getting relegated from PL is "crazy"
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Post by Kaladin Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:41 pm

Bruh i cant @RealGunner @Firenze @M99

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Post by M99 Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:42 pm

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:50 pm

Some precedent . In 1931 the 10 biggest argentine clubs left the association and spun off into their own non FIFA recognized league . The players were banned from participating in international competitions and the team we put forward in 1934 only had members from the 20 smaller clubs . Later in 1934 the two leagues merged and all players were once again able to participate in int football.

I'm sure most countries have a story similar to this if you go back far enough.
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Post by Myesyats Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:50 pm

@Collblanc wrote:
@Firenze wrote:Buyern's official statement

Regarding the plans to introduce a European Super League, says Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, CEO of FC Bayern: “FC Bayern did not participate in the planning of a Super League. We are convinced that the current statics in football guarantee a serious basis. FC Bayern welcomes the reforms of the Champions League because we believe that they are the right step for the development of European football. The modified preliminary round will contribute to more tension and emotionality in the competition. "


lol, they will join regardless of this "statement". nothing here says that they wont join

lol of course

They would become irrelevant if they don't. No brainer
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Post by farfan Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:53 pm

@M99 wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
@S wrote:The Americanisation of football has just started



This makes no sense lol, no American Sport would do this. They're much smarter than that.

This is way worse than anything an American Sport has ever done.


The whole concept of closed leagues with no relegation/promotion or qualifiers come from American sports.

Just look up how Glazers and Kroenke said that the whole concept of teams getting relegated from PL is "crazy"


Yeah not sure I agree with Mole there, that's literally what American sports are, closed leagues that are owned and operated by the owners of the teams themselves. Sure they have strict rules, salary caps etc..but the ESL will do the same once the league is up and running.
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Post by S Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:54 pm

@M99 wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
@S wrote:The Americanisation of football has just started



This makes no sense lol, no American Sport would do this. They're much smarter than that.

This is way worse than anything an American Sport has ever done.


The whole concept of closed leagues with no relegation/promotion or qualifiers come from American sports.

Just look up how Glazers and Kroenke said that the whole concept of teams getting relegated from PL is "crazy"

Mole doesn't agree because he's an NBA fan and it doesn't fit his narrative obvi :coffee:
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Post by farfan Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:57 pm

Since we're talking about the NBA, are their fans sick of 7 game series? are they bored of watching teams play each other multiple times a year over an 82 game season?
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Post by M99 Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:57 pm

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Post by Myesyats Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:01 pm

@Firenze wrote:yeah I have no problem with them shafting Uefa here in the slightest, but the way they've set this thing up...sheesh. I'll be watching every single game, I know it.

Sure... its still the best sport. We're way to deep into it to just walk away, no other game comes close to footy.
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Post by titosantill Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:09 pm

the real interesting thing will be the transfer market; if ure a super league team, in the words of marlo stanfield, 'the price of the bricks going up' (not that it was coming down anyway). as i said , i dont know the intricacies about this, but i think the plan is to grow the teams, until it becomes an attractive incentive for others to join and relegate the champions league to being like an ugly step child

fans have very little say because they know most fans will watch regardless. the athletes, the big stars are the ones who should have more pull in this; but unlike the nba, football stars have never been known to pull collectively on anything, they barely know the kind of power they have , and management knows this. they know stars will just 'shut up and dribble'
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