UEFA Champions League Revamp

So you're saying 17 years of consistency in CL qualification doesn't count?

Not necessarily.  If you have 2 really top teams and you get crushed by them, then you could easily end up 4th.  What it comes down to is having one of the top teams as your last pool game as things are generally set by then... so they but a B team out there and you're able to get a result.  Meanwhile, your direct opponent for 3rd place played those top teams when they were motivated and they got crushed.  As result, you are 3rd and the other team 4th.

Other scenario is that all 4 pool teams are competitive with each other and any of the 4 could either win or finish last.

For bottom of the pool spots, it often comes down to stuff like this unless there's one team that's clearly far more crap than the other 3.

It happened to Lyon and Lille relatively recently which is why I bring it up.

I wouldn't worry about Ligue 1 anyhow.  EPL absolutely pillages us every mercato now from 17 year olds up lol.  Unless Marseille gets its crap together, you only have PSG, Monaco and Lyon that can compete.  So having only 3 teams for now s just about right for CL.

Also, we're always going to suck in Europa because, other than those 3, the rest have no talent left.

I don't really see us having massive UEFA points unless PSG wins CL or something.

zigra wrote:Sure it CAN change, I just don't see it happening. Italian teams have gained more points than french teams for quite some years now without exception. Sometimes a lot more, sometimes a bit more. Sure France might up their game but so could Italy. Juventus don't look like they'll just fade away. Milan might actually make a comeback now that Silvio is gone etc.

Also I don't think it makes such a big difference if you have one more team in the CL. Why shouldn't the 4th best team from Italy at least finish 3rd in the group?

Umm our 3rd best team last year (Lazio) didn't even qualify for the Group stage! Lol!!

Historically we're bigger than Juve, Chelsea, PSG, City, and a bunch of other big teams when it comes to Europe. CL spot guaranteed.

Lads pls let's not get into technicalities.

Adit wrote:

dronte wrote:

Adit wrote:
More scrubs in cl

How is this.. I don't even.. OK.

Just look at this year's CL qualification knockout round teams and compare them to the top4 of the top 4 leagues.

Anyway, bad move for smaller teams, good move for overall quality, marketing and money.

Not quite sure what to think of it yet, but that historical thing has to be removed asap

Did Serie A 3rd placed team even qualify for CL this past few years despite playing the 4th tier teams of other leagues.?

Now they are bringing Fiorentinas and Milans into CL and they are also going to complain of some one getting easier group/route .

why should EPL fear Serie A when EPL at its shittiest performance in Europe still manages to be ahead of Serie A on coefficient ?

Look up the coeeficient points over the past few years before typing your idiotic posts.

Adit making a fool out of himself as per usual. The worst poster on this forum.

Adit is making some good points, there's really no need for these personal attacks.

What's going on in this forum, when did we turn to a YouTube comment section?

urbaNRoots wrote:Adit is making some good points, there's really no need for these personal attacks.

What's going on in this forum, when did we turn to a YouTube comment section?

zizzle wrote:Historically we're bigger than Juve, Chelsea, PSG, City, and a bunch of other big teams when it comes to Europe. CL spot guaranteed.

That's going to be a no for me dog

Doesn't matter too much, we won't fall out of the top 3 for a while.

Milan
Juve
Inter
Roma

Are a lock in Serie A. Napoli are gonna have to come top 3 to qualify, so no real change for them except skipping the playoffs

In terms of European competitions historically:
1- AC Milan
2- Inter Milan
3- Juventus

Domestic titles aren't relevant here. UEFA only cares about European history.

sportsczy wrote:In terms of European competitions historically:
1- AC Milan
2- Inter Milan
3- Juventus

Domestic titles aren't relevant here. UEFA only cares about European history.

Napoli would be fourth?

AS Roma has 1 CL and 1 Europa.... Lazio only has 1 Europa.  Napoli only has 1 Europa. Fiorentina only has 1 Europa too I think.

I'd say AS Roma is 4th just in terms of European achievement.

Luca wrote:

zizzle wrote:Historically we're bigger than Juve, Chelsea, PSG, City, and a bunch of other big teams when it comes to Europe. CL spot guaranteed.

That's going to be a no for me dog

3 CLs > 2 CLs

Napoli had Maradona, that should tip the historical balance

No chance.  Roma had Cafu, Batigol, Rudi Voeller, Carlo Ancelotti, Aldair, Tancredi, Conte, etc.

They've had stars and they've won a ton more than Napoli, which really is a second rate club other than the Maradona years and recently.  

And the early 00s AS Roma team was one of the most talented in recent history imo.  They had a super-elite team in terms of talent.  Under-achieved a bit though.

When did Roma win a European trophy ever ?

Their biggest achievement in Europe is a European cup final in 1984 against Liverpool which they lost.

Napoli are the only other Italian side to win a European trophy other than the big three.

Inter aren't bigger than Juve historically in Europe either.

You cant argue with math doe

Roma > Napoli in terms of European history because they have/had been a regular CL side for a while but Napoli has an EL to their name while Roma have 0 European trophies. Lazio won a cup winners cup but they haven't won an EL or a CL.

Which group will United be in this season?








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http://www.espnfc.com/blog/marcotti-musings/62/post/2930404/uefa-champions-league-structural-changes-as-explained-by-gab-marcotti

zizzle wrote:You cant argue with math doe

Indeed you can't (:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_club_competition_winners

Adit wrote:Boo hoo... Serie A can't win it back so they changed the rules

More scrubs in cl

Worst serious post I've ever had the misfortune of seeing in my lifetime.

S wrote:

zizzle wrote:You cant argue with math doe

Indeed you can't (:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_club_competition_winners

How could i forget about the prestigious Intertoto cup