UEFA Champions League Revamp

breva wrote:

Warrior wrote:@Breva

- Napoli and Roma are Liverpool/Spurs level at best, reaching the CL round of 16 is already an achievement in itself.
- Milan teams don't qualify for the competition.
- Lazio and Fio don't do much in Europa.

Serie A has not recovered at all in terms of credibility and performance (i mean on the continental scene)... thanks to the heavens Juventus is there to keep the ship afloat

Spurs got knocked out of the Europa league by a team called Genk or Gent, can't remember. Napoli lost but did a credible job against one of the CL favorites. Real Madrid. Manchester City got knocked out by Monaco, not a favorite for the title.

If Serie A is doing badly in Europe, how is the EPL doing?

Better than Serie A.

FACT.

Hapless_Hans wrote:

breva wrote:

Warrior wrote:@Breva

- Napoli and Roma are Liverpool/Spurs level at best, reaching the CL round of 16 is already an achievement in itself.
- Milan teams don't qualify for the competition.
- Lazio and Fio don't do much in Europa.

Serie A has not recovered at all in terms of credibility and performance (i mean on the continental scene)... thanks to the heavens Juventus is there to keep the ship afloat

Spurs got knocked out of the Europa league by a team called Genk or Gent, can't remember. Napoli lost but did a credible job against one of the CL favorites. Real Madrid. Manchester City got knocked out by Monaco, not a favorite for the title.

If Serie A is doing badly in Europe, how is the EPL doing?

Better than Serie A.

FACT.

Alternate facts.

Inter 2010
Milan 2007
Milan 2003
Juventus 1996
Milan 1994

Chelsea 2012
Man U 2008
Liverpool 2005
Man U 1999

Until 1984 there are no more EPL wins while Serie A has 4 in those years. 1999-1984

Losing 6-2 = doing credible

M99 wrote:Losing 6-2 = doing credible

What did Arsenal lose by against Bayern, another favorite? Was it 10-2 or something like that.

Yeah and they are a laughing stock because of that. Losing 3-1 in both legs is nowhere near credible for Napoli lol.

M99 wrote:Yeah and they are a laughing stock because of that. Losing 3-1 in both legs is nowhere near credible for Napoli lol.

Well, 3-1 against Madrid is not embarrassing, no matter how many silly LOLs you type. Get it?

Losing 3-1 against a team that is nearly 10 times your worth is not bad.

At some points in the match, Napoli looked favorites, but then Ramos came in with his savior headers.

Robespierre wrote:

Warrior wrote:@Breva

- Napoli and Roma are Liverpool/Spurs level at best, reaching the CL round of 16 is already an achievement in itself.
- Milan teams don't qualify for the competition.
- Lazio and Fio don't do much in Europa.

Serie A has not recovered at all in terms of credibility and performance (i mean on the continental scene)... thanks to the heavens Juventus is there to keep the ship afloat

Last CL won :

Inter 2010
Milan 2007
Juventus 1996

Your last CL don't mean jack shit in this context, only the results from the last 5 seasons are taken into account.

The UEFA coefficient is a collective effort and Juventus is already doing a lot. At the same time your nerazzurri scrubs finish dead last in a group with Hapoel Beer Sheva and Sparta Prague. Thanks for the help, much appreciated

Spoiler:

The UEFA coefficient has been thrown out the window bud in case you didn't know

No it hasn't. Its how they determine which leagues get what spots. Its just the spot allocation that changed.

Judging strictly by results, Serie A doesn't really deserve 4 spots at this point.

Which league deserves 4 spots except Spain? certainly not EPL, BL or Ligue 1 either going by the logic.

breva wrote:

M99 wrote:Yeah and they are a laughing stock because of that. Losing 3-1 in both legs is nowhere near credible for Napoli lol.

Well, 3-1 against Madrid is not embarrassing, no matter how many silly LOLs you type. Get it?

Losing 3-1 twice is NOT GOOD. Have standards really fallen that low? Even Wolfsburg lost 2-3 on aggregate last year to Madrid.

M99 wrote:

breva wrote:

M99 wrote:Yeah and they are a laughing stock because of that. Losing 3-1 in both legs is nowhere near credible for Napoli lol.

Well, 3-1 against Madrid is not embarrassing, no matter how many silly LOLs you type. Get it?

Losing 3-1 twice is NOT GOOD. Have standards really fallen that low? Even Wolfsburg lost 2-3 on aggregate last year to Madrid.

It's really bad but it doesn't really feel embarassing.

Not sure where this discussion is going

Outside of Juve, Serie A is irrelevant in Europe. Throwing around Milan and Inter victories from 400 years ago doesn't really mean anything in the current day. Embarrassing clubs that can't scrape past a EL group stage at this point, providing they qualify for it in the first place. Even trying to make comparisons with Juve at this point is hilarious. Might as well be making claims that Nottingham Forest is currently doing more for the EPL in Europe than City because of what happened in a different Millennium.

On the other hand, the Prem has been dog shit too. I'd say PL and SA are on even footing over the last few years.

'Deserving' 4 spots

Spanish league is easily the best when it comes to European competitions these days, trying to make a big distinction between the other 3 of the 'big 4' leagues is redundant. At least the BuLi and SA have at least 1 team talked about as having an actual chance of winning the CL, who is the saving grace of the PL? City? Leicester?

Warrior wrote:

Robespierre wrote:

Warrior wrote:@Breva

- Napoli and Roma are Liverpool/Spurs level at best, reaching the CL round of 16 is already an achievement in itself.
- Milan teams don't qualify for the competition.
- Lazio and Fio don't do much in Europa.

Serie A has not recovered at all in terms of credibility and performance (i mean on the continental scene)... thanks to the heavens Juventus is there to keep the ship afloat

Last CL won :

Inter 2010
Milan 2007
Juventus 1996

Your last CL don't mean jack shit in this context, only the results from the last 5 seasons are taken into account.

The UEFA coefficient is a collective effort and Juventus is already doing a lot. At the same time your nerazzurri scrubs finish dead last in a group with Hapoel Beer Sheva and Sparta Prague. Thanks for the help, much appreciated

Spoiler:

Well, then

farfan wrote:Judging strictly by results, Serie A doesn't really deserve 4 spots at this point.

Well, then the EPL doesn't deserve 4 spots as Serie A will probably overtake the EPL in coefficient after this year ends.

breva wrote:

Well, then

farfan wrote:Judging strictly by results, Serie A doesn't really deserve 4 spots at this point.

Well, then the EPL doesn't deserve 4 spots as Serie A will probably overtake the EPL in coefficient after this year ends.

No they won't. Serie A has done better than PL in exactly ONE season, 14/15. In all other seasons, Serie A has done worse than the much vilified PL, and this season is not going to any different.
Serie a is on par with Ligue Un but has only one team left. They're probably going to get outperformed by Belgium lmao.

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2017.html

This year will depend on how Juve does. Furthermore, Italy has almost 17 points more than the next highest competitor (France), so it will take a miracle for France to catch Serie A. After 12/13 points are thrown out, and considering points equality this year, the difference in points will be .5 between the EPL and Serie A. And that's with Italy having one less team in the CL (where the most points can be earned) than the EPL for the past 10 years. So when the number of CL teams is equal with the new format, let's see how the EPL fares vis-a-vis Serie A.

EPL 16.428--16.785--13.571--14.250--13.357 74.391
SerA 14.411--14.166--19.000--11.500--12.750 71.832

So, I ask again, how is the EPL so much deserving of 4 spots? Or is it just your silly little hate for Italy that drives your need to denigrate Serie A?

breva wrote:This year will depend on how Juve does. Furthermore, Italy has almost 17 points more than the next highest competitor (France), so it will take a miracle for France to catch Serie A. After 12/13 points are thrown out, and considering points equality this year, the difference in points will be .5 between the EPL and Serie A. And that's with Italy having one less team in the CL (where the most points can be earned) than the EPL for the past 10 years. So when the number of CL teams is equal with the new format, let's see how the EPL fares vis-a-vis Serie A.

EPL 16.428--16.785--13.571--14.250--13.357 74.391
SerA 14.411--14.166--19.000--11.500--12.750 71.832

So, I ask again, how is the EPL so much deserving of 4 spots? Or is it just your silly little hate for Italy that drives your need to denigrate Serie A?

That's why with the new distribution system of first 4 countries getting 4 spots, the race Italy vs England for 3rd place, which you keep obsessing about, will become rather meaningless.

I'm just pointing out that despite all the touting (and I participated in that as well), Serie A still completely blew their momentum and chance to overtake PL, with the terrible 15/16 season.

And I'm also merely pointing out that despite all those perceived huge failures and embarrassments of PL teams in recent years' European competitions, they still are above Serie A which you keep hyping.

So in effect, your the hater, not me.

ES wrote:The UEFA coefficient has been thrown out the window bud in case you didn't know

Exactly, but juve fans had to act as the Serie A ' s saviours for a final got in last 6 years.
Going close only counts  in a  game of bowls.

Hapless_Hans wrote:

breva wrote:This year will depend on how Juve does. Furthermore, Italy has almost 17 points more than the next highest competitor (France), so it will take a miracle for France to catch Serie A. After 12/13 points are thrown out, and considering points equality this year, the difference in points will be .5 between the EPL and Serie A. And that's with Italy having one less team in the CL (where the most points can be earned) than the EPL for the past 10 years. So when the number of CL teams is equal with the new format, let's see how the EPL fares vis-a-vis Serie A.

EPL 16.428--16.785--13.571--14.250--13.357 74.391
SerA 14.411--14.166--19.000--11.500--12.750 71.832

So, I ask again, how is the EPL so much deserving of 4 spots? Or is it just your silly little hate for Italy that drives your need to denigrate Serie A?

That's why with the new distribution system of first 4 countries getting 4 spots, the race Italy vs England for 3rd place, which you keep obsessing about, will become rather meaningless.

I'm just pointing out that despite all the touting (and I participated in that as well), Serie A still completely blew their momentum and chance to overtake PL, with the terrible 15/16 season.

And I'm also merely pointing out that despite all those perceived huge failures and embarrassments of PL teams in recent years' European competitions, they still are above Serie A which you keep hyping.

So in effect, your the hater, not me.

Well that sounds like a Trump response. Making things up. I am the one saying that based on the relative equality in coefficient points (notwithstanding Italy's disadvantage in the number of CL teams for the past 10 years) , Italy and England should either have or not have 4 CL teams. You, on the other hand, believe that for some reason the EPL should have 4 and Italy not. That's the hating. It makes your assertion irrational.

I don't understand why the Serie Zzz vs Mule League debates are still going now that everyone has 4 spots. Will you people never be satisfied?

It's just Breva. No one else cares about the coefficients

No, it's Hans who keeps insisting that Serie A doesn't deserve 4 places (with the new system) and insists that the EPL does deserve 4.

I am just stating that his position is irrational given the coefficient similarities between the two leagues.