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Post by The Madrid One Thu May 09, 2024 6:28 pm

Like a Hieronymus Bosch or Francisco de Goya painting, Yesterday's tifo of La Reina Cibeles was a gargantuan, monstrous, astonishing glimpse into unspeakable realms with no top and no bottom.

Unblinking, inevitable, and interminable.

She swallowed La Bestia Negra whole.

There are levels to this.

Hasta el final, vamos Real.

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Post by The Madrid One Mon May 13, 2024 12:11 am

Regarding our squad, recently i've seen the discussion pop up about whether our upcoming squad may be the best we've ever had. Off the top of my head the two squads that immediately come to mind as being very noteworthy are 11/12 and 16/17, but personally our squad that has impressed me the most in terms of the potential of it may be the squad we had during the pre season of 14/15.

Casillas (in decline)/Navas

Carvajal/Arbeloa

Pepe/Varane

Ramos/Nacho

Marcelo/Coentrao (who was coming from a sublime and nigh imperious series of late 13/14 performances, prime Coentrao might be my favorite Madrid LB I've seen  Laughing )

Alonso + Kroos + Modric with Khedira & Illarramendi as subs

James + Isco + Di Maria (who was coming from the season of his life with a role somewhat similar to that of Valverde's)

Bale + Benzema + Ronaldo

The only thing missing from that squad imo was a good sub option for Benzema and maybe another forward option akin to a Brahim or Rodrygo profile. And the ages of most players were either in their prime or going into it.

With the current squad there are some things which remain to be seen:

1. What will Courtois look like in the mid to long term and will Lunin keep improving? If they both follow a nice track then our GK options will be great.

2. Carvajal is having the season of his life in terms of health and performance, but he's 32. How much longer can he continue and what will our RB area look like in the next couple of years with Carvajal and Lucas inevitably leaving/hitting definitive decline? We'll likely need at least two great/very good RB acquisitions in the next couple of years imo. No Valverde or Militao at RB half-assed shenanigans.

3. Remains to be seen how Militao and Alaba heal and how long Rudiger and Alaba last. Will we get Yoro and is he good enough to be considered as another potential Varane/Militao for us? Contract wise it looks like it's either this summer or else we'll miss out on Yoro as Lille can't let him go for free at the end of next season. Rafa Marin would probably be overkill and not be considered if we bring Yoro and assume Militao and Alaba will be at a functional strength with Tchouameni also being a capable option.

4. I think Mendy has to stay. Fran and Miguel Gutierrez could be sold to help with the funds for Davies. What does our economic situation for this summer look like? Could we afford bringing both of Yoro and Davies at the same time?

5. This season we have seen the birth of a synthesis : "Kroosmodric", Kroos playing around 60 minutes and Modric being able to play the rest of mins in a big game. It'd be great to see them lift their sixth Champions League in a few days and see if they can go for their seventh in what would definitely be their last year next year. How will we replace these players?

Some people have posited that maybe we can play in a different way without a deep lying midfield orchestrator or that Camavinga, Tchouameni, Valverde, or Bellingham might be able to fit the bill in their own way, but I think there's still that one elite piece missing, and I think it definitely wouldn't be overbooking to get someone at the end of next season. Squawka made a good video where they analyzed who've available that is most similar to a Kroos profile.



Considerations like reconversions of Trent Alexander Arnold or Florian Wirtz have popped up in discussions online, and there are other players like Joshua Kimmich and Enzo Fernandez also mentioned. I have to see more of Wirtz but at 5 feet 10 and with his body elasticity and way of handling the body, he very much looks like he could maybe emulate Kroos in some ways. What I need to see more of is his passing, vision, and tempo control, and from what I've seen he doesn't and hasn't ever played with a deep lying CM orchestrator role at Leverkusen ever at all. In fact, based on footage I've seen of Wirtz I'm not the biggest fan. Player profile wise he looks a lot like an improved version of Ceballos. Has pretty turning ability and press resistance, and very good ball control, but on most of the clips I see he's playing in advanced playmaker roles and relies more on ball carrying and dribbling rather than expressive at-will elite passing to move the ball forward.

6. I suppose that with Valverde, Rodrygo, Brahim, Guler, and possibly Endrick (unsure how good he could be at RW/RF) we have enough options at the right side of the attack, even if we don't have a dedicated goal + assist machine forward down that flank.

So questions at GK, RB, CB, and LB left open, with the midfield and forward line looking very good, but with the assumed departure of Ceballos at the end of this season, "Kroosmodric", at the end of next season, and with the prospect of Guler being a CM some day likely being pure dumbassery, I would def say we could fit one more youthful elite signing for a deep lying CM orchestrator profile.

For comparison's sake, this squad reminds me of the young 10/11 one for example in that you could feel that it's looking to be dynasty-potential promising in the long run.

One thing I can say about this squad is that, for my taste, with it's youthful, physically exuberant yet technically refined, and psychologically and emotionally healthy and vibrant profile, this is shaping up to be my favorite squad I've seen, and one that could rival the achievements of the legends of the last decade, legends which must be said are, as a generational bulk, the greatest this club has ever had.

So far.
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Post by halamadrid2 Tue May 14, 2024 11:30 pm

A nice exhibition against a team that has been a pain in the neck for the last few seasons

Bellingham just a goal below Dovbyk in the race for the pichichi
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Post by titosantill Tue May 14, 2024 11:46 pm

Replacement for Toni Kroos? i could have sworn we have like 46 midfielders on our roster
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Post by futbol_bill Wed May 15, 2024 12:29 am

These comments about a Kroos replacement or a Modric replacement or a Casemiro replacement is nonsense. You don’t replace a legend with a look alike. We need our next generation midfield to be effective for who they are, not trying to replace the exiting legends with like facsimiles. Besides, we already have at least 4 proven starting midfielders plus we either have or are possibly trying to sign several other contenders!
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Post by titosantill Thu May 16, 2024 11:47 pm

futbol_bill wrote:These comments about a Kroos replacement or a Modric replacement or a Casemiro replacement is nonsense. You don’t replace a legend with a look alike. We need our next generation midfield to be effective for who they are, not trying to replace the exiting legends with like facsimiles. Besides, we already have at least 4 proven starting midfielders plus we either have or are possibly trying to sign several other contenders!


Agreed. You don't go out searching for a like for like. You might end up just hampering the new player. But i feel we already have a ton of midfielders on our roster
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Post by futbol_bill Yesterday at 12:47 am

titosantill wrote:
futbol_bill wrote:These comments about a Kroos replacement or a Modric replacement or a Casemiro replacement is nonsense. You don’t replace a legend with a look alike. We need our next generation midfield to be effective for who they are, not trying to replace the exiting legends with like facsimiles. Besides, we already have at least 4 proven starting midfielders plus we either have or are possibly trying to sign several other contenders!


Agreed. You don't go out searching for a like for like. You might end up just hampering the new player. But i feel we already have a ton of midfielders on our roster


I agree completely Tito. Midfield is the last area that we need to sign or pursue anyone. Rather there are several to depart due to lack of minutes. This season alone there will likely be Modric and Ceballos, but that still leaves 6 for 3 positions. What we will likely need in a couple of years is backups that are content with that role.
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Post by Valkyrja Today at 10:18 am

we’ll certainly need a controller in midfield after Modric & Kroos leave next year. Joao Neves from Benfica would be my pick. he looks so similar to Modric in the way that he is super technical but at the same time very aggresive.

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Post by futbol_bill Today at 2:22 pm

Well, well, surprises re the midfield! Both Modric and Kroos are renewing for another year! Plus Ceballos says all the talk of him leaving, even having an agreement with Atletico is not true. There have been no conversation with the,. He would like to play more and feel important to the club and he feels he can fill a void when Kroos eventually leaves (mind you he said this before the announcement last night re Modric and Kross).

So it looks like no changes in midfield at all. They did say Güler is staying, however it looks like as a forward not a midfielder.

What this means is a very crowded midfield and forwards.

Other news, actually rumors are not paying Bayern for Davies and even in a year on a free transfer they may not take him. Seems they are impressed with Mendy as of late as well as Gutierrez at Girona. Buying him back is cheaper than paying Bayern, and will likely result in a Fran Garcia sale.

Also they are going to delay any Yoro movement, going to give Rafa Marin a shot at Nacho’s role as he also has has impressed at Alaves.

And Lucas is being renewed for another year meaning no changes at RB.

While these moves avoid an overcrowding situation in defense, I’m a bit worried we may miss out on both Davies and Yoro!
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Post by futbol_bill Today at 2:44 pm

It’s going to be same team that won liga and CL, plus Mbappe, Endick, recovered Courtois, Militao, Alaba and Gutierrez and Marin returning replacing Fran and Nacho.

2 porteros, 8 defense, 7 midfielders, 7 forwards (only 5 Spaniards - maybe that’s why Marin and Gutierrez vs Yoro and Davies)
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Post by halamadrid2 Today at 4:11 pm



I am glad they are staying around for one more season especially now with Mbappe coming. Need as many senior players as possible
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Post by The Madrid One Today at 8:04 pm

Unless they're good enough to warrant not being sold to make way for more elite prospects or there's a Cantera quota that would be unmet in our squad if we sell them, all of Rafa Marin, Miguel Gutierrez, and Fran Garcia could be sold to help make way for Leny Yoro and Alphonso Davies. Jose Felix Diaz of Marca and Guillermo Rai of The Athletic have both said in the last couple of days that those two are still very much open cases that may not be resolved too early in the transfer window. Both their contracts expire in 2025 so there's plenty of negotiating to go on, don't think their current clubs have the advantage no matter how hard they play if their players get stubborn about coming here. Wouldn't be surprised if Yoro's price is somehow lowered if he stays one more year in Lille and we bring Rafa Marin to complement Rudiger, Militao, Alaba, and Tchouameni in the meanwhile at CB and if Davies is the only one to come now at the expense of Gutierrez and Fran.

Other factors are just how economically flexible we are this summer and if Yoro is really good enough to be another Varane/Militao sort of signing for us then...

We shall see.
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