UEFA Champions League Revamp

nasir6371 wrote:@rwo

That was a rumor about a wild cards for historical merit to make sure teams like Milan and Liverpool can make the UCL

So I team like Spurs can finish forth and can be left out for Liverpool/United due to historic merit

With Leicester in the CL, Serie A will probably go past the EPL this year and will have 4 teams in the CL and EPL 3 in 2018. They are trying to save 4 spots for the EPL.

Hope that means Leeds, Backburn Rovers and Aston Villa and will get moved in for Arsenal, Spurs, and City

dronte wrote:

Adit wrote:
More scrubs in cl

How is this.. I don't even.. OK.

Just look at this year's CL qualification knockout round teams and compare them to the top4 of the top 4 leagues.

Anyway, bad move for smaller teams, good move for overall quality, marketing and money.

Not quite sure what to think of it yet, but that historical thing has to be removed asap

Did Serie A 3rd placed team even qualify for CL this past few years despite playing the 4th tier teams of other leagues.?

Now they are bringing Fiorentinas and Milans into CL and they are also going to complain of some one getting easier group/route .

why should EPL fear Serie A when EPL at its shittiest performance in Europe still manages to be ahead of Serie A on coefficient ?

Good. Although GOAT League should have 8 of the 16 guaranteed spots tbh

Tbh I don't really get why people complain so much about the revamp.

I don't think it really helps the crap 4th place teams if they get scorched in CL. In order to get UEFA coefficient points, you actually need to win or draw regardless of the competition. So those 4th place teams doing well in Europa is a lot more beneficial. Heck, having 3rd place teams do well in Europa is better in terms of UEFA points.

CL has lost its soul. It used to just be the league winners and then it went to the top 2. Now it's pretty much everyone.

You also started right away with 2-game elimination matchups without pool play. I liked that too.

S wrote:

Adit wrote:Boo hoo... Serie A can't win it back so they changed the rules

More scrubs in cl

It's the other way round you clown. Serie A were/are very close to beating EPL 4th CL spot.
So it's no surprise to see the rule changed. As if Italian league carries that much influence these days....

EPL at its shittiest CL performance still managed to be ahead of Serie A and are actually going to break away with all the players and coaches joining there (read Pogba), why should they fear Serie A out of all leagues?

sportsczy wrote:I don't think it really helps the crap 4th place teams if they get scorched in CL.  In order to get UEFA coefficient points, you actually need to win or draw regardless of the competition.  So those 4th place teams doing well in Europa is a lot more beneficial.  Heck, having 3rd place teams do well in Europa is better in terms of UEFA points.

CL has lost its soul.  It used to just be the league winners and then it went to the top 2.  Now it's pretty much everyone.  

You also started right away with 2-game elimination matchups without pool play.  I liked that too.  

I agree, the old school format was legendary. Less teams make the matches more meaningful. These fools are trying to get everyone involved and big everything grand because they make more money, but as a fan the old formula was where it's at

Adit wrote:

dronte wrote:

Adit wrote:
More scrubs in cl

How is this.. I don't even.. OK.

Just look at this year's CL qualification knockout round teams and compare them to the top4 of the top 4 leagues.

Anyway, bad move for smaller teams, good move for overall quality, marketing and money.

Not quite sure what to think of it yet, but that historical thing has to be removed asap

Did Serie A 3rd placed team even qualify for CL this past few years despite playing the 4th tier teams of other leagues.?

Now they are bringing Fiorentinas and Milans into CL and they are also going to complain of some one getting easier group/route .

why should EPL fear Serie A when EPL at its shittiest performance in Europe still manages to be ahead of Serie A on coefficient ?

Because the EPL is steadily losing its lead even though Serie A had one of its worst years last year.  Serie A will probably overtake the EPL this year and the EPL would be down to 3 teams in 2018.  They have to do something to keep 4 teams from the kick and hoof it league in the CL. Serie A's problem is that it starts 2-3 weeks later than other leagues so Serie A teams are way behind in preparation when the playoff games take place. Serie A is planning to start earlier to remove that disadvantage.

windkick wrote:Hope that means Leeds, Backburn Rovers and Aston Villa and will get moved in for Arsenal, Spurs, and City

Erm what?

Adit wrote:

S wrote:

Adit wrote:Boo hoo... Serie A can't win it back so they changed the rules

More scrubs in cl

It's the other way round you clown. Serie A were/are very close to beating EPL 4th CL spot.
So it's no surprise to see the rule changed. As if Italian league carries that much influence these days....

EPL at its shittiest CL performance still managed to be ahead of Serie A and are actually going to break away with all the players and coaches joining there (read Pogba), why should they fear Serie A out of all leagues?

Serie A had one of its worst years last year and is still gaining on the EPL. Where do you get your information? Pogba? LOL

sportsczy wrote:I don't think it really helps the crap 4th place teams if they get scorched in CL. In order to get UEFA coefficient points, you actually need to win or draw regardless of the competition. So those 4th place teams doing well in Europa is a lot more beneficial. Heck, having 3rd place teams do well in Europa is better in terms of UEFA points.

Seems you are confusing teams and leagues.
It helps the 4th placed teams because they get more money for getting trashed in the CL than doing well in the EL.
It can hurt the league however but then again so what?
If all top 4 leagues have 4 CL spots what does it matter? It's not like there's another league close enough to threaten any of them for a spot.
Also it's not like a 4th placed team can't survive the group stage. That's just way over the top.

RealGunner wrote:

windkick wrote:Hope that means Leeds, Backburn Rovers and Aston Villa and will get moved in for Arsenal, Spurs, and City

Erm what?

was being sarcastic; just hate the idea of "historical" clubs getting guaranteed spots. Like that's the dumbest shit I've heard.

breva wrote:

Adit wrote:

S wrote:

It's the other way round you clown. Serie A were/are very close to beating EPL 4th CL spot.
So it's no surprise to see the rule changed. As if Italian league carries that much influence these days....

EPL at its shittiest CL performance still managed to be ahead of Serie A and are actually going to break away with all the players and coaches joining there (read Pogba), why should they fear Serie A out of all leagues?

Serie A had one of its worst years last year and is still gaining on the EPL. Where do you get your information? Pogba? LOL

Serie A managed to be ahead of EPL once during the last 5 seasons, hardly gaining ground is it? The gap reduced because EPL came to serie A level in Europe not the other way..If anything EPL came down a few level to Serie A's level and still managed to be ahead of them.

EPL is actually going to improve alot in Europe with all those players are world class coaches going there. I cant say the same about Serie A.

Adit wrote:
EPL is actually going to improve alot in Europe with all those players are world class coaches going there. I cant say the same about Serie A.

Yeah know that's something I haven't heard before

zigra wrote:

sportsczy wrote:I don't think it really helps the crap 4th place teams if they get scorched in CL.  In order to get UEFA coefficient points, you actually need to win or draw regardless of the competition.  So those 4th place teams doing well in Europa is a lot more beneficial.  Heck, having 3rd place teams do well in Europa is better in terms of UEFA points.

Seems you are confusing teams and leagues.
It helps the 4th placed teams because they get more money for getting trashed in the CL than doing well in the EL.
It can hurt the league however but then again so what?
If all top 4 leagues have 4 CL spots what does it matter? It's not like there's another league close enough to threaten any of them for a spot.
Also it's not like a 4th placed team can't survive the group stage. That's just way over the top.

Because it's the top 4 leagues per UEFA coefficient as I understood it.  So you can drop in and out of the top 4 rankings.

Yeah but let's be honest who is really going to close the gap to the top 4? France is 5th and they are miles away.

Russia has a better chance to go up but its not happening, top 4 is sealed at least for a while. Besides, most news articles mention that this is basically a step to the euro league. Supposedly only applied for 3 seasons (2018 to 21) and then they see how things are.

Pogba the saviour of EPL...

zigra wrote:Yeah but let's be honest who is really going to close the gap to the top 4? France is 5th and they are miles away.

If you look at coefficients, it's about replacing or maintaining points.  Now take a look:

http://fr.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/

Ligue 1 had an extremely bad year in 13/14 and, with a typical point count, they would up their coefficient from 43.7 to 46.2.  Serie A, on the other hand, had an unusual point coefficient for 14/15 with Juve going to CL final...  you put their usual points in as replacement and they go from 60.5 to 53.  

The difference between 53 and 46 is PSG going to the CL final and Juve being the only team in elimination rounds and getting knocked out by the 1/4 finals.

I will also add that Aulas sold 20% stake in Lyon 2 weeks ago for 100 millions euros. So I think Lyon will be better than the past few years. Stadium income is exponentially higher and investment income coming in... so I think you'll have PSG of course buy Lyon also being scrappy in CL.

Not saying it will happen.  But that's how it works.

Ligue 1 is so close to Russia and Portugal because of that putrid 13/14 point total... you carry that for 5 years.  2 more years to go and it's gone.

Firenze wrote:Good. Although GOAT League should have 8 of the 16 guaranteed spots tbh

Champions League final appearances:

La Liga - 27
Serie A - 27
GOAT League - 19

So does this mean Nottingham Forest qualify for the CL now because of "historical value"?

Sure it CAN change, I just don't see it happening. Italian teams have gained more points than french teams for quite some years now without exception. Sometimes a lot more, sometimes a bit more. Sure France might up their game but so could Italy. Juventus don't look like they'll just fade away. Milan might actually make a comeback now that Silvio is gone etc.

Also I don't think it makes such a big difference if you have one more team in the CL. Why shouldn't the 4th best team from Italy at least finish 3rd in the group?

windkick wrote:

RealGunner wrote:

windkick wrote:Hope that means Leeds, Backburn Rovers and Aston Villa and will get moved in for Arsenal, Spurs, and City

Erm what?

was being sarcastic; just hate the idea of "historical" clubs getting guaranteed spots. Like that's the dumbest shit I've heard.

Considering Aston Villa has actually won a Champions League I think they could very well bump Arsenal or City from the 4th spot due to their "history"...

So you're saying 17 years of consistency in CL qualification doesn't count?