Re: USA gun violence thread

by Unique Wed 14 Feb 2018, 23:51

Freeza wrote:
Unique wrote:
Freeza wrote:Seeing people say it's not a gun control problem but a mental one.

Same people are against healthcare.

The mental gymnastics are incredible. I have no idea why it's so hard to agree on this subject. I would think it would be important to protect children and teenagers from this mass murdering that could easily be prevented.
I can fully understand peoples point on gun control after terrible things like this happen but if all guns were taken out of society and then people started mowing down kids outside of schools with trucks and cars what would be peoples solution to that problem. would everyone say take all the trucks and cars off the roads. anyway thoughts are with the kids and familys.

You still have no idea what gun control is.

It's about keeping mentally unstable, suicidal, and misanthropic people away from weapons. It's not about eliminating all weapons from society.

But saying that, there needs to be a huge regulation of guns in America. It's like the nuclear arms race at this point, where the entire country has built up an arsenal that could kill everyone on earth over and over.

There's no need for there to be that many guns at all.

There's so many societal problems in USA that needs to be fixed and they're all intertwined in some way.

Health care, gun control, institutional racism, depression, poverty & inequality. When all these things exist at the same time then you get America.

the only way you could keep people like that away from guns would be to destroy every gun on earth. like ive said time after time the only people that would follow gun laws are the people that are no thret to others.

by Nishankly Thu 15 Feb 2018, 00:02

Just seen Piers Morgan say there's apparently 15 kids who are victims. *bleep* terrorism, They are once in a while atleast. Stop this shite.

by Guest Thu 15 Feb 2018, 02:00

Just Another Day.

by McLewis Thu 15 Feb 2018, 14:25

17 confirmed dead.

"Thoughts and prayers" are coming out from Congress, who have failed to do anything to stop this from happening 19 TIMES already this year

Then there will be outrage and the discouragement of that outrage "Out of respect for the victims and their families".

There will be calls for gun control, defense of gun rights. The media will cover this sporadically until the victims are laid to rest.

And then this will be forgotten until it happens again.

We jumped the shark on school shootings when 20+ Kindergarteners were gunned down and Congress did absolutely nothing. If that wasn't enough to truly do something, nothing will be.

We have a mental health problem and we have a gun problem. It's not either or. It's both and they mix way too much with devastating consequences like this.

"Thoughts and prayers" don't stop bullets. I would say this is terrible, but I am not fond of broken records.

by Myesyats Thu 15 Feb 2018, 17:10

The Parkland, Florida HS gunman shooting right through a classroom wall (no blood/gore)

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9ff_1518644376

pale

by Luca Thu 15 Feb 2018, 17:44

I think it’s an incredibly sad day that anywhere on the planet, let alone the developed, rich and prosperous powerhouse that is the United States that a child, at any point in time, should be legitimately afraid that they will be shot dead while trying to learn.

I watched bowling for Columbine last week (seen it before), and it’s unreal how many things still ring true- if not resonate in an even larger capacity all these years later.

However, there’s a pocket of crusty old white men that make the decisions in the US, and despite living in gated communities, never being victims of crime and never having to use their amendment right to actually use the arms they so desperately ensure that they are able to bear, they create the environment in which they can justify their own stubbornness.

“It’s in the constitution”, “if it was good enough for our founders, it’s good enough for us”. Slavery was good enough for your founders, did we not change this? Pablo Escobar took Colombia hostage and changed their constitution to abolish extradition for his own means. Yet the crusty old white men ensure that the constitution in the USA will reflect the right to bear arms and based on that right, the ability to acquire arms and kill each other regularly.

How a developed nation could be so behind in something so glaring is so mind boggling but this stuff you see really makes me sad as a human being on this earth at this time.

Bring back obama ffs

by McLewis Thu 15 Feb 2018, 19:49

Sandy Hook, Aurora, San Bernardino, and Pulse all happened under Obama's watch and he was powerless to do anything about it due to 2010 midterms. It's unfortunate, but Hillary winning would not have prevented this shooting. This isn't an issue that Presidents alone can fix. These issues fall straight on Congress. All the President can do is apply pressure to their party to do something when they have the power to do so. Obama had a super majority for almost 2 years before the 2010 midterms and he chose to focus on stimulating the economy over gun control. Politically, it was a no brainer unfortunately given the state of the economy at the time. The only shot he would have had at gun control was if the Dems survived those midterms with their supermajority in tact. Virtually impossible.

We had to have a civil war to end slavery. Nothing short of that would be enough to end something like this. That's how divided we are on the issue of guns.

by Luca Thu 15 Feb 2018, 20:02

I just like Obama. These are not 'new' problems, but the incidence of gun violence and gun violence of this nature is far too prevalent

by McLewis Thu 15 Feb 2018, 21:24

The new conservative talking point that I seem to see pop up more and more is that school shootings are still a relatively new phenomenon here and they'll cite that this never happened 30 years ago. I think this is a setup to blame the younger generations for a "decay in morals and traditional values".

Awful.

by CBarca Thu 15 Feb 2018, 23:53

It's very difficult to take.

I feel very lucky to live in the USA, which is a great country overall. I could have been born in poverty in Syria or something, yet I live in the US in a quiet Midwestern state.

But this has happened so many times and each time I don't think it's any easier to take. It hurts to see the country I love and have grown up in fail to act on this issue and watch as innocent kids die in mass shootings multiple times per year (not to mention the many, many other shootings, just as horrific).

I understand the difficulty in removing all guns, and it simply wouldn't work logistically nor in a country steeped in such a rich history of gun ownership (and the fact that a large part of the population is in love with them). However, every time this happens I can't help but admit I get pushed farther and farther to thinking the only solution would be to get rid of them all.

If only

by Freeza Fri 16 Feb 2018, 00:54

Saw some screenshots of the terrorist's supposed Instagram profile. Bunch of pictures of him killing animals and aiming guns.

His bio was just "annihilator"

by VanDeezNuts Fri 16 Feb 2018, 04:41

This is absolutely disgusting. How many incidents will it take for them to do something? The level of mental health support and the ease of buying assault rifles is the most obvious political ignorance I’ve ever seen. It really makes me sick.

by McLewis Fri 16 Feb 2018, 14:33

I spent about an hour this morning reading a thread on r/askaTrumpSupporter about this issue and if they supported Trump rolling back the bill that Obama signed that was an attempt to keep guns out of the hands of people who were deemed mentally ill.

The vast majority of respondents support Trump rolling this back because they felt that the bill did not adequately define "mental illness" and therefore they fear that taking away guns from the mentally ill left them without the ability to defend themselves as well as opening the backdoor for the government to arbitrarily deem people it finds dangers as mental ill as a pretense for taking away their guns. It's paranoid, conspiracy theory bullshit. That's why sick puppies like Cruz got away with this, despite having a history of depression, sociopathic behavior, and white supremacist views. To conservatives, somehow this guy was totally ok to not only buy weapons, but use them. This shooting is the consequence. The NRA has done a masterful job of brainwashing them that any attempt to even talk about mental health and guns is a power grab and infringement on the 2nd amendment, which in my opinion, needs updating to fit the needs of today and not those of 229 years ago.

In a nutshell, they're afraid that someone with ADHD or post-partum depression would get swept up in this bill with sociopaths, psychopaths, and schizos. They are disingenuous at worst and heartless at best.

by BarrileteCosmico Fri 16 Feb 2018, 15:11

I wonder how the background check registry works in practice. Is congress really the one that decides minutia like "if X person receives a benefit for a mental illness then he should be added to the background checks"? That seems like a horrible system to me.

It'd be far better if congress gave the FBI/NSA a goal and they used whatever tools they had at their disposal to meet their goal. It could even be something very simple like "to keep guns away from those that seek to do harm with them or are not equipped to handle them", let the experts decide what factors they should take into account.

It's crazy to me that this guy made comments on youtube claiming he was going to be a school shooter, the authorities were alerted about it, and he was not put on a list.

by Kaladin Sun 06 May 2018, 19:07

by Nishankly Mon 07 May 2018, 19:43

To imagine the first song I heard of Gambino was "Now I'm so high" Laughing

, He's done absolute wonders.

by Nishankly Mon 07 May 2018, 19:54

Also can someone email this to Kanye

by Nishankly Mon 07 May 2018, 20:01

https://twitter.com/_Kendalljones_/status/992915100083343364

"That is adorable"

by futbol Mon 07 May 2018, 21:34

Meh, don't know why people always get their jimmies rustled by stuff like that. Every American is free to migrate to a civilized country, no one is kept hostage.

My wife and I will move out of Germany for much simpler reasons. If I were living in a country where I'm surrounded by millions of rednecks with guns I would leave ASAP.

by El Gunner Mon 07 May 2018, 22:12

You say that as if leaving your home, but not just that, also your homecountry is such a simple task.

by Nishankly Mon 07 May 2018, 22:19

Can't relate to that, I changed 13 cities and 14 schools during my childhood because of my dad's job and it was so much fun, Translated that internationally now.

Home for me is my where my family is, Who will again change the current city when I go back to India Laughing

But yeah I get it for people who've lived in one city for their entire life.

by RealGunner Mon 07 May 2018, 22:30

Was it difficult making friends and adjusting to a new school all the time?

by futbol Mon 07 May 2018, 22:44

El Gunner wrote:You say that as if leaving your home, but not just that, also your homecountry is such a simple task.

I guess it's different for every individual. For me, home is where my family is and family I define as: my wife, my future children and myself. I'm not going to chain myself to friends, parents or parents-in-law.

by Nishankly Mon 07 May 2018, 22:45

RealGunner wrote:Was it difficult making friends and adjusting to a new school all the time?

I don't remember it being difficult.

Except one time where my Dad told me I cried a lot when I was 7 because we stayed at a place for like 3.5 years, So i got attached with my friends and we had to move from a major city to a Hill station near the border which had no life.

Well, I've always looked it as a way of life for me.

Main benefits were being able to make new friends easily because you get used to starting from scratch every 2 years, Being open minded because you hang out with and notice how the subtle or major nuances in cultures and people (regional language, social status, religion etc) affects them allowing you to be easily accepted among different groups.

I always hated schools and studies, So f*ck that, Never cared much about it.

Also a lot of facebook friends lmfao. Building deep long term relationships has always been a problem.

by Guest Mon 07 May 2018, 22:48

futbol wrote:
El Gunner wrote:You say that as if leaving your home, but not just that, also your homecountry is such a simple task.

I guess it's different for every individual. For me, home is where my family is and family I define as: my wife, my future children and myself. I'm not going to chain myself to friends, parents or parents-in-law.

Wife over parents? That sounds crazy.

A wife can be, and is commonly these days, replaced. The people who created you is final. You never get another of those.

by futbol Mon 07 May 2018, 22:54

Betty La Fea wrote:
futbol wrote:
El Gunner wrote:You say that as if leaving your home, but not just that, also your homecountry is such a simple task.

I guess it's different for every individual. For me, home is where my family is and family I define as: my wife, my future children and myself. I'm not going to chain myself to friends, parents or parents-in-law.

Wife over parents? That sounds crazy.

A wife can be, and is commonly these days, replaced. The people who created you is final. You never get another of those.

Yeah, I'm not exactly leaving them to die just because I move somewhere else. Let's not make it more dramatic than it is. Laughing

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