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Post by McLewis Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:09 am

This sounds like one of those "What would Jesus do?" situations that pops up in Christianity. Only with Muhammad. What would he do about people making pictures of him?

It seems far-fetched he'd kill them or order them killed. Why would he? Which means his supporters have taken on this responsibility on their own.

Then again, I'm not Muslim, so the above is supposition and speculation.

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Post by M99 Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:52 am

McLewis wrote:This sounds like one of those "What would Jesus do?" situations that pops up in Christianity. Only with Muhammad. What would he do about people making pictures of him?

It seems far-fetched he'd kill them or order them killed. Why would he? Which means his supporters have taken on this responsibility on their own.

Then again, I'm not Muslim, so the above is supposition and speculation.


Speculation is spot on. This is what all Muslims who are against the killings and violence say.
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Post by McLewis Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:34 am

M99 wrote:
McLewis wrote:This sounds like one of those "What would Jesus do?" situations that pops up in Christianity. Only with Muhammad. What would he do about people making pictures of him?

It seems far-fetched he'd kill them or order them killed. Why would he? Which means his supporters have taken on this responsibility on their own.

Then again, I'm not Muslim, so the above is supposition and speculation.


Speculation is spot on. This is what all Muslims who are against the killings and violence say.


I remember when the creators of South Park got death threats for airing an episode with a caricature of Muhammad. I was still a teenager at the time so I didn't really understand it, but I distinctly remember it was something that really riled up the conservatives and Republicans who, for once, defended the show and it's 1st amendment right to air the episode. They also defended it mostly because they hate Islam and the 9/11 attacks were still a fairly fresh wound. That was my first real exposure to this particularly topic. It was one of the first indicators to me that although Islam and Christianity share many similarities, the practicing of each are worlds apart in the core fundamentals. Christians have largely abandoned the core fundamentals of the Old Testament for the more easily digestible New Testament, but for Muslims....The Quran is the Quran. There is no old and new version of it. Just that one version. And they adhere to it fairly strictly, more strictly than Christians do the Bible, even if modern western society sometimes brushes up against it, such as with these caricatures.

Anyways, those are my observations, as an atheist that has an academic fascination in religion and how it interacts with modern society. I'm admittedly ignorant of the intricacies of many of these religions so I can only offer the outsider's perspective. Take that as you will.
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Post by Myesyats Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:19 am

Why are muslim protesting in front of embassies in london? Are they condemning the attacker or moaning that they're treated unfairly?

let me guess


At this point Le Pen is goning to win elections unless Macron takes an even harsher stance
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Post by Arquitecto Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:56 am

As much as Ive defended Muslims here but even the moderate ones are seriously prone to be irritating and to outstanding double standards.


They always expect to be treated like royalty in non-Muslim countries, push for their sharia law and obsolete facets of some of their culture and fail to acknowledge that minorities in their countries are treated like fucking shit. Jews, Christians and Hindus you name it.


Not generalising but Muslim oppression as it they call it, has begun to be more that Muslims do not to dominate a country. If they don't, then oppressed.

Someone please inform me to what they are protesting of within London, thanks.
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Post by Myesyats Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:09 am

No idea, they're waving around a bunch of "my prophet my pride" signs, "boycott france" etc.

Bunch of nonsense. "Terrorist is Macron" Laughing They sure don't seem apologetic.

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Post by Arquitecto Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:21 am

And as said these are moderate Muslims who are upstanding citizens and likely do no harm but I never said they are anything above an avg IQ.

Tribalism is real but for real many Muslims tends to only prioritise their own kind as if you know...1.5+billion of them are at risk of extinction.


Really hope no one pays attention to that bullshit protest.
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Post by Blue Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:18 pm

Quite the double standard here; https://theintercept.com/2019/02/21/french-presidents-promise-crack-anti-semitism-threaten-critics-israel/

“Since anti-Semitism is prohibited hate speech punishable by up to one year in prison under French law.”
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Post by Young Kaz Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:45 pm

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Post by Nishankly Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:27 pm

Arquitecto wrote:
Really hope no one pays attention to that bullshit protest.


Why not? That is exactly the problem. The small number of nutjobs are so dangerously high in Islam, that the world who are different cultures, different languages, different people, all together speak out. None of us are discriminating an entire religion and hell most of us have had this conversation with our Muslim friends considering what they face, we are trying to find solutions and for me a solution is not associating every attacker to mental health. That's just escapism from deeper lying major issue that I have been always saying.

Also Betty with an absolutely irrelevant post.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:31 pm

Young Kaz wrote: Removed

I'm really glad about one thing, I exposed you on GL for the real racist you truly are and now you have no credibility and people laugh every time they see you whine about racism because they realize now that racism only bothers you when it's being done against you.

Your post above shows clearly how full of hate you are. The fact that you would generalize and call an entire nation terrorists over the action of one person is testimony to the disingenuousness of your anti-racist agenda.

It wasn't me who flagged your post this time, but I'm hoping the moderators will give you a lengthier ban now that you have once again made a discriminatory post.

Also, you really are in no place to lecture people about terrorism or crimes against humanity, especially in recent years. I would bury my head in the sands if I were you.

And please oh please stop talking to me or about me, I really have no respect for you whatsoever. So have a little respect for yourself and stop seeking attention and validation from someone he clearly has none for you.
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Post by Young Kaz Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:55 pm

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Post by The Demon of Carthage Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:01 pm

I ask the moderators to please not only stop at removing his discriminatory posts but to also ban him as well. He has been doing this regularly now and it needs to stop.
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Post by Pedram Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:05 pm

How Betty is still not permabanned i have no idea.

Have never seen a more hateful (and miserable) person in my entire life.


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Post by rincon Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:05 pm

See one more of Betty's insane posts, try to report, says "already reported" Laughing that didnt last long
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Post by rincon Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:10 pm

Pedram wrote:How Betty is still not permabanned i have no idea.

Have never seen a more hateful (and miserable) person in my entire life.

Unique certainly deserved to be banned, but not more than Betty
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Post by Adit Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:31 pm

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The beheader gets enough ideological support from moderate muslims. That is a problem.
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Post by Warrior Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:39 pm

Kaz

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And to help swallow the pill:
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Post by Adit Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:42 pm

When Imams in supposedly progressive Canada eulogize the beheading calling it a confrontation against evil and giving it a herro vs evil act angle what exactly are we supposed to believe.... That there is no support for terrorist?

Terrorist are people who does the act, the ideological mental support has to come from a bigger population.

Actually Islam would be in a much better position if Muslim boycotted such Imams and made sure they never reached such positions instead of boycotting French kiss and french fries. Christianity got reformed and became peaceful after they themselves cracked down on clergy. When can muslims confront their clergy is the question.
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Post by Young Kaz Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:55 pm

Warrior wrote:Kaz

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And to help swallow the pill:


Laughing Laughing Laughing

I mean I understand its mean probably, but everything I said is true and can easily be verified by facts on Encyclopedia Brittanica, Wikipedia, and the Associated Press.

The truth will set you free....I mean it will piss you off, but it doesnt stop being the truth just because it hurts some feelings. I would never say anything that is objectionably false. Like people who make up damn near 15% of the Prison population in France, yet only make up about 0.91% of the population are Successful wherever they go as this thread is updated once again with the failings of said culture.

Its not islam either. Indonesia, the largest muslim nation on this earth, arent sending their young men to different countries to kill over cartoons. Call it what it is people.

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Post by Myesyats Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:13 pm

rincon wrote:
Pedram wrote:How Betty is still not permabanned i have no idea.

Have never seen a more hateful (and miserable) person in my entire life.

Unique certainly deserved to be banned, but not more than Betty

Betty is beyond any doubt more racist since he is young and has traveled the world which you would expect would make him more open minded but he is just full of self-hatred mainly and that manifests itself in many peculiar ways. Unique can be forgiven since he is of old age and lived his entire life in a small, unexceptional English town.

Its a shame that I didnt see the posts before they were deleted, pretty sure they were quite spicy.
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Post by Warrior Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:30 pm

Adit wrote:When Imams in supposedly progressive Canada eulogize the beheading calling it a confrontation against evil and giving it a herro vs evil act angle what exactly are we supposed to believe.... That there is no support for terrorist?

Terrorist are people who does the act, the ideological mental support has to come from a bigger population.

Actually Islam would be in a much better position if Muslim boycotted such Imams and made sure they never reached such positions instead of boycotting French kiss and french fries. Christianity got reformed and became peaceful after they themselves cracked down on clergy. When can muslims confront their clergy is the question.


How many muslim countries are laic ? And which ones ?
This is the crux of the problem. Religion belongs in the private sphere. But when your government sometimes supported by a radical clergy shoves islamic laws down your throat, you need balls of steel to actively condamn Samuel Paty's beheading. Instead you follow the anti-west culture as the state wants even if your soul screams otherwise.

In this first paragraph, i just try to understand, and feel free to correct, since i am foreign to the muslim world. But the paragraph that will follow is much cemented opinion for me. I am canadian btw

You see a vocal minority of immigrants in Canada praising terrorism because
1. Some imams are bums who want to get recognition, saying violent stuff gives you persona
2. Their living conditions are actually good, but they receive propaganda telling them they are not welcome in the west countries, then islam becomes a shield against "oppressors"
3. Leftist weaklings who are white canadian and feel guilty for it (example Justin Trudeau) allow them to say whatever shit they want, and once reality confronts their beliefs they pull out the racism card before muslims even do it themselves. White knights, social justice warriors, intellectually it's the bottom of the bin, they create a lot of trouble in multicultural societies.

Number 1 might seem too simplistic but i believe it's very important to mention

On a side note, the catholic church has been proven to hide pedophiles and sodomites within its own clergy, precisely what they preach against. They have no credibility. Islam seems to be less hypocrite and is still related to politics, so they have proportionally more hardcore believers.
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Post by Warrior Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:41 pm

Young Kaz wrote:
Warrior wrote:Kaz

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Laughing Laughing Laughing

I mean I understand its mean probably, but everything I said is true and can easily be verified by facts on Encyclopedia Brittanica, Wikipedia, and the Associated Press.

The truth will set you free....I mean it will piss you off, but it doesnt stop being the truth just because it hurts some feelings. I would never say anything that is objectionably false. Like people who make up damn near 15% of the Prison population in France, yet only make up about 0.91% of the population are Successful wherever they go as this thread is updated once again with the failings of said culture.

Its not islam either. Indonesia, the largest muslim nation on this earth, arent sending their young men to different countries to kill over cartoons. Call it what it is people.


You are over 30

If you actually wanted to prove your points politely, you would. That's why i'm disappointed to read your posts most of the time. I don't even dislike you ultimately, i just can't understand why you keep coming here to disrespect this forum and its posters, by intoxicating every serious debate.

Read the 3-4 pages from last night's discussion. It was very interesting and gives new perspective. Then you come here with this shit. Come on Laughing
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Post by futbol_bill Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:43 pm

rincon wrote:See one more of Betty's insane posts, try to report, says "already reported" Laughing that didnt last long


I don’t get it. Continual racist posts and when you try to report it someone else already has and if not you report, yet in either case nothing really happens???

I know Unique deserved his perm ban, but how can this guy actually do same or even worse and not encounter something other than the odd post deleted?
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Post by Myesyats Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:07 pm

Young Kaz wrote:
I mean I understand its mean probably, but everything I said is true and can easily be verified by facts on Encyclopedia Brittanica, Wikipedia, and the Associated Press.

The truth will set you free....I mean it will piss you off, but it doesnt stop being the truth just because it hurts some feelings. I would never say anything that is objectionably false. Like people who make up damn near 15% of the Prison population in France, yet only make up about 0.91% of the population are Successful wherever they go as this thread is updated once again with the failings of said culture.

Its not islam either. Indonesia, the largest muslim nation on this earth, arent sending their young men to different countries to kill over cartoons. Call it what it is people.

I must admit Chinese/Japanese/Korean people are exemplary citizens wherever they migrate to.
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Post by Blue Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:33 pm

Every individual should be judged based on his own actions, no group should bare responsibility of another’s individual.
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