Transfer Rumours

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Did you see this guy BC?

He never really caught my eye when I watched Newell's to be honest. And he was never really regarded as one of the best in his position within the Argentine league.

Sport reporting that Bartra will move to Villareal in the event we actually sign a CB, possibly on a loan. Apparently Musacchio has been tapping him up: "He is very young and with experience on first division and the Champions and could be very useful for us. I've talked to him because I like him. I told him wonders about Villareal, explained how the team is doing and he liked it. We will wait to see what happens, it's not up to me".

I'd be all for this.

Its never good being linked to an Argentine goalie considering the trouble they have had in that position lol

Though I do like Romero

Who is the best goalie in Argentine football in your opinion?

I like Saja a lot. He is a great shot-stopper and a leader of the defense. At 34 it's unlikely he'll get called up for the NT tough.



Also Romero was benched last season for poor performance at Sampdoria and yet Sabella won't call Willy up.

Some great saves there.

@barcastuff

Several media claim that new coach Tata Martino won't push for the transfer of a centre back if Puyol can get back to his best form.


 

Makes no sense, how will he know if he can get his best form (he obviously cant, but whatever for now) untill its too late?

Martino has said from the first day "I'm happy with what we have and if more players arrive that increase the quality of the team then that's good". As an incoming coach he's in no position to publicly criticize the players he had yet to meet. But I'm certain he would be happy if we sign a CB.

The main report that claims this is from MD whose title is "Tata will wait for Puyol and Barca considers not signing a CB". But then the only thing that it actually says about Tata is that he will count on Puyol when he regains fitness. Then it claims that the Barca sporting directive is considering not signing anyone if Agger and Luiz are not available. At no point does MD claim that Tata does not want a CB.

MD also reporting that if we sign Luiz then Chelsea will sign Mangala.

Dani

Not surprised by that, Chelsea been linked to him for long.

But Porto have rejected 40m from Monaco...so, I think Chelsea might have to wait a season. I think Porto want to keep him for this season.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Martino has said from the first day "I'm happy with what we have and if more players arrive that increase the quality of the team then that's good". As an incoming coach he's in no position to publicly criticize the players he had yet to meet. But I'm certain he would be happy if we sign a CB.

The main report that claims this is from MD whose title is "Tata will wait for Puyol and Barca considers not signing a CB". But then the only thing that it actually says about Tata is that he will count on Puyol when he regains fitness. Then it claims that the Barca sporting directive is considering not signing anyone if Agger and Luiz are not available. At no point does MD claim that Tata does not want a CB.

Puyol is said to be available late September at the earliest. Thats pending he doesn't have any set backs. Plus is 35; they can't possible expect him to come back to old bulldog self. Wtf is up with these fools

"The second friendly against Santos should be played in the next two months. If the game is not played, Santos gets 4.5M"

yay. Now we have to fly to some where, probably Brazil, to play a friendly once the season (and Champions League) is already under way

windkick wrote:"The second friendly against Santos should be played in the next two months. If the game is not played, Santos gets 4.5M"

yay. Now we have to fly to some where, probably Brazil, to play a friendly once the season (and Champions League) is already under way

Lets send B team...kids will get some experience......

Puyol is injured until September. Unless Tata is a psychic he can't possibly know if Puyol will get back on form. Everything seems to indicate this is unlikely considering Puyol is 35 and injured all the time.

Puyol in no way can play big games in a row any more. In fact i fell he hardly can stay injury free throughout the season...even though i don wish that.....but it is even difficult to consider him as a backup....

How would Martino know the quality of his squad and how they'll perform in La Liga and Champions League? It'll be a couple of months before he realises the quality in Europe is much higher than that of Argentine Primera División and that he will desperately needs a defender or two.

The sporting director and more importantly, president have been doing damage year after year. Your squad has been degrading since Rosell took over, you compare this squad with say 2008-09 squad, it is inferior except for Messi and Alves who have improved their play (while Iniesta still being the boss).
Xavi and Puyol past their best with no replacement.
Piqué not playing half as good as he used to, and after years of complacency, there is nobody to challenge him in the squad.
Eto'o and Henry replaced by Pedro and Alexis.
Alba replaced the much superior Abidal.

Not only that, your board decides Fàbregas is doing fine and Thiago can leave. If you watched the U-21 championship this summer, you'd know Thiago and Isco were the top two talents not only in the Spain squad but the whole tournament. Barcelona let one go, Madrid sign the other. You decide who's the winner.

There is just so much wrong with this club right now that I can understand why so many people are hurt. I tell you, Rosell and Zubi won't be walking out this club through the front door.

Our captain doesn't look too bad
dat muscle though

Spoiler:

The Franchise wrote:Not surprised by that, Chelsea been linked to him for long.

But Porto have rejected 40m from Monaco...so, I think Chelsea might have to wait a season. I think Porto want to keep him for this season.

if Porto want so much for him, what makes you think we cojld get hkm for cheaper?

I think La Liga would be a terrible league for Mangala tbh. He's very physical and makes very tough tackles... he'd get carded every game and suspended a ton.

I think its already been established that our scouting is poor.
Our transfer policy seems to be something like this.
Look in La Masia first.If that fails loook for a La Masia graduate who is doing well elsewhere.If that fails look for a superstar signing.It doesnt even take great scouting to get bargain buys.
All it needed was a cable connection to see that Vertonghen was a bargain for 8 mil.All it needs is a cable connection to see that Sakho is a good option that can pay off big.

But no.We have tunnel vision.We identify a high profile target and its either them or nobody.

I also dont like the Rossell witch hunt and blaming everything on him.Thats a very convenient way to apportion the blame.
I think blame is to be shared,especially when it comes to transfers and Rossell takes very little blame on that.
He is a businessman like Perez,but unlike Perez,he wisely leaves transfers to the coaching staff.Not his fault at all that the coaching staff have been retarded when it comes to transfers.

Rossell has basically gone by what the coaching staff wanted and he has given them everything they wanted.
Lets start with his first year.Pep wanted Ibra gone.Rossell obliged and got Villa instead.Pep gets rid of Yaya and desperately wants Mascherano(GOD alone knows why). Rossell again obliges.Rossell also gets Adriano for Pep.

Next season,Pep again pursues that piece of garbage Fab. Desperately tries to sign him.Rossell obliges once more.
Pep wants Alexis(again GOD knows why).Rossell obliges again.Another summer where Rossell does everything according to the coaching staff's wishes.

Next season,Pep leaves and Tito comes in.Tito wants Alba and Song.Rossell gets him Alba and Song.

This summer.We get Neymar.Almost everyone agrees that we need a crack forward.The coaching staff do nothing to keep Thiago or convince him that he is wanted.Pep comes in and steals Thiago.And somehow Rossell gets all the blame.

So basically,if we look at all the summers Rossell has been in charge,he has gotten every single player the coaching staff has asked for.And now that we are in this mess,we have this revisionism going on.Bunch of nonsense.Now apparently Pep never wanted Fabregas.Apparently Pep never asked for Fab and suddenly its all Rossell's fault that we are stuck with this piece of garbage.Apparently Alexis and Masch are also Rossels fault and Pep never wanted them.

Am I also supposed to believe that Song was not a Tito buy and that Rossell recommended him.

I am not saying that Rossell is entirely blameless.I blame him for somethings.Most imporatant being not convincing Thiago to stay even though the coaching staff didnt want him.Also selling Villa for 5 mil over 3 seasons was a stupid move.
But the revisionist BS needs to stop.If our transfers have been retarded and our squad is in the sorry state it is in, then 99% of the blame goes to Pep and Tito.
Rossell is a businessman and he went by Pep and Tito's advice when it came to transfers(smart move considering they both know far more than him).
Not his fault that Pep and Tito were retarded when it came to transfers.

No matter how you want to look at it, ultimately, it is Rosell's fault. Who put Zubizarreta at helm? Who put Vilanova at helm? The difference between Rosell and Laporta is that, despite both of them come from a non-footballing background, Laporta had a great advisor in Cruyff while Rosell has passed every footballing decision-making to his (obviously incompetent) sporting director.

Not to mention he signed the Qatari deal, which brings the club the sort of cash none of his predecessors ever dreamed of.

So you think having a professional businessman as director is good?? who will calculate on paper and consider decreasing debt as the best success.....Thats why Abidal is redundant and Villa and Marc Muniessa almost free while make some money from thiago sale. So in the end its success because on paper our debt is decreased. Ohh...and selling Chygrynskiy after just one season because he was bought by someone else
Also interesting that you blame Tito but not who appointed him.....

Alex you are making it seem like all signings are 100% coach decisions when it is probably more like 50% coach 40% sporting director 10% president. They still have an important input, even if I agree not as much as we sometimes make it seem. According to the press reports Tito was the one with TS tunnel vision. But on matters such as scouting, that falls to the sporting director not the coach.so Zubi deserves all the criticism he is getting for not looking for more options. Also right now it seems that martino's role in the transfers is fairly limited.

danyjr
You again illustrate my point regarding the revisionism.At the time Tito was appointed almost everyone endorsed the decision.Pep recommended him and Rossell accepted.At the time everyone praised it,said it was good for continuity,blah,blah,blah.I believe even Cruyff thought it was a good move.
Now that the experiment didnt go as planned,everyone second guesses the decision and blames Rossell for it.

alfred
Except the Neymar transfer,I dont think Rossell had a say in any other transfer.I also dont agree with your assessment that the sporting director had a 40% say in the transfers.Generally that might be true,but during Rossells tenure,almost all the signings have been at the behest of the coaches.All the major ones have been so.
On scouting,I have already mentioned that it is poor and Zubi can be blamed for that.
I was more talking about the revisionism going on with putting all the blame for our transfers on Rossell.Thats completely unfair.Pep and Tito have to take majority of the blame.

Ultimately we don't know the back story and we're all just speculating here. Maybe Rosell has more input than we think...maybe he has none. Maybe the coaching staff really only has "30%" control. We don't know, and assigning an arbitrary number to what we THINK is going on, what we have to do is then put the blame on the guy who's in charge.

That man is Rosell.

That's too simplistic though. Really the blame is shared, but since we don't know by how much it is logical to assign that blame to the man in charge. Fact of the matter is since Rosell has been brought in our team has gotten worse. I don't think it's stupid to then say that Rosell is responsible, or at least partially. It's unjust to give him all the blame yes, but he deserves a large portion- he is the man in charge, after all.

It's stupid anyway, the whole management is failing. Why they can't see we so desperately need a CB when the whole world sees it I don't know. Why the tunnel vision...I don't know. All I know is it will be very sad if the transfer window closes and we don't have a new CB.

alexjanosik wrote:I think its already been established that our scouting is poor.
Our transfer policy seems to be something like this.
Look in La Masia first.If that fails loook for a La Masia graduate who is doing well elsewhere.If that fails look for a superstar signing.It doesnt even take great scouting to get bargain buys.
All it needed was a cable connection to see that Vertonghen was a bargain for 8 mil.All it needs is a cable connection to see that Sakho is a good option that can pay off big.

But no.We have tunnel vision.We identify a high profile target and its either them or nobody.

I also dont like the Rossell witch hunt and blaming everything on him.Thats a very convenient way to apportion the blame.
I think blame is to be shared,especially when it comes to transfers and Rossell takes very little blame on that.
He is a businessman like Perez,but unlike Perez,he wisely leaves transfers to the coaching staff.Not his fault at all that the coaching staff have been retarded when it comes to transfers.

Rossell has basically gone by what the coaching staff wanted and he has given them everything they wanted.
Lets start with his first year.Pep wanted Ibra gone.Rossell obliged and got Villa instead.Pep gets rid of Yaya and desperately wants Mascherano(GOD alone knows why). Rossell again obliges.Rossell also gets Adriano for Pep.

Next season,Pep again pursues that piece of garbage Fab. Desperately tries to sign him.Rossell obliges once more.
Pep wants Alexis(again GOD knows why).Rossell obliges again.Another summer where Rossell does everything according to the coaching staff's wishes.

Next season,Pep leaves and Tito comes in.Tito wants Alba and Song.Rossell gets him Alba and Song.

This summer.We get Neymar.Almost everyone agrees that we need a crack forward.The coaching staff do nothing to keep Thiago or convince him that he is wanted.Pep comes in and steals Thiago.And somehow Rossell gets all the blame.

So basically,if we look at all the summers Rossell has been in charge,he has gotten every single player the coaching staff has asked for.And now that we are in this mess,we have this revisionism going on.Bunch of nonsense.Now apparently Pep never wanted Fabregas.Apparently Pep never asked for Fab and suddenly its all Rossell's fault that we are stuck with this piece of garbage.Apparently Alexis and Masch are also Rossels fault and Pep never wanted them.

Am I also supposed to believe that Song was not a Tito buy and that Rossell recommended him.

I am not saying that Rossell is entirely blameless.I blame him for somethings.Most imporatant being not convincing Thiago to stay even though the coaching staff didnt want him.Also selling Villa for 5 mil over 3 seasons was a stupid move.
But the revisionist BS needs to stop.If our transfers have been retarded and our squad is in the sorry state it is in, then 99% of the blame goes to Pep and Tito.
Rossell is a businessman and he went by Pep and Tito's advice when it came to transfers(smart move considering they both know far more than him).
Not his fault that Pep and Tito were retarded when it came to transfers.

Awesome post. Said everything that is to be said. Just a couple of minor details. I remember reading that Villa was a Laporta signing. The other is that we can't put 99% of the blame on the coaches because surely Zubi also has some contribution there.

Lastly this summer the coach is an outsider who won't have a powerful voice so soon. Hence if not CB is signed we have to lay the entire blame on Rosell and Zubi. Also Thiago's departure can perhaps partly be blamed on Tito but a large chunk of that is also on Rosell and Zubi. Abidal's departure not being handled better is also their responsibility. So this summer there is a lot of blame we can place at the duo's doors. However I do agree with you that its the coaches who have been largely responsible for the atrocious transfers we have made in the last few summers.