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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri 12 Mar 2021, 01:09

futbol wrote:And now? Now it's all over the news that translators who were supposed to translate her poems into other languages get fired because only black people should be allowed to translate her work. Laughing

Guessing there's more to this story because what you just described is totally illegal.

If it's true I hope the publishing houses get sued and are made to paid punitive damages.

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Post by Myesyats Fri 12 Mar 2021, 11:34

MISSISSIPPI GOVERNOR SIGNS BILL BANNING TRANSGENDER STUDENTS FROM WOMEN'S SPORTS, APPROVING FIRST ANTI-TRANS LAW OF 2021

https://www.kdrv.com/content/news/573971422.html

The title should be pro-women not anti-trans.

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Post by futbol Fri 12 Mar 2021, 14:18

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
futbol wrote:And now? Now it's all over the news that translators who were supposed to translate her poems into other languages get fired because only black people should be allowed to translate her work. Laughing

Guessing there's more to this story because what you just described is totally illegal.

If it's true I hope the publishing houses get sued and are made to paid punitive damages.


There isn't more to it:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/mar/10/not-suitable-catalan-translator-for-amanda-gorman-poem-removed

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Post by CBarca Fri 12 Mar 2021, 16:53

Laughing that's insane
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Post by McLewis Fri 12 Mar 2021, 18:56

Myesyats wrote:MISSISSIPPI GOVERNOR SIGNS BILL BANNING TRANSGENDER STUDENTS FROM WOMEN'S SPORTS, APPROVING FIRST ANTI-TRANS LAW OF 2021

https://www.kdrv.com/content/news/573971422.html

The title should be pro-women not anti-trans.


This would make a lot more sense if Mississippi didn't have so many restrictions on women's reproductive rights.

They aren't the first state to do this. Others have followed. And, predictably, they're all Republican states.
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Post by Myesyats Fri 12 Mar 2021, 21:10

I'm liberal but I agree with this. Trans-women are still biologically men and have an edge on biological women

"The research, published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, found that before starting their hormone treatment trans women performed 31% more push-ups and 15% more sit-ups in one minute on average than a biological women younger than 30 in the air force – and ran 1.5 miles 21% faster.

Yet after suppressing their testosterone for two years – a year longer than IOC guidelines – they were still 12% faster on average than biological females."


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/07/study-suggests-ioc-adjustment-period-for-trans-women-may-be-too-short

this is bs

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Post by CBarca Fri 12 Mar 2021, 21:15

I haven't made up my mind on how I feel on trans-women in sports. Difficult issue that one
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Post by Myesyats Fri 12 Mar 2021, 21:58

They should have their own section/category, period. It's basically cheating the system

Anyone can do this and smash all women's records Laughing

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Post by Babun Fri 12 Mar 2021, 22:07

Myesyats wrote:I'm liberal but I agree with this. Trans-women are still biologically men and have an edge on biological women

"The research, published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, found that before starting their hormone treatment trans women performed 31% more push-ups and 15% more sit-ups in one minute on average than a biological women younger than 30 in the air force – and ran 1.5 miles 21% faster.

Yet after suppressing their testosterone for two years – a year longer than IOC guidelines – they were still 12% faster on average than biological females."


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/07/study-suggests-ioc-adjustment-period-for-trans-women-may-be-too-short

this is bs

The trans problem in sports is a bit more complicated. The logical solution would be to create a trans division for them to compete among themselves with following problems:
a). The amount of trans people is miniscule even compared to homosexuals. Even less of them would like to compete in sports, you'd never get enough numbers for a division in a high school for example.
b) Because of a) I don't think there'd enough sponsors, supporters or spectators in trans events so they're doomed to be canceled.

On the other hand, women deserve fairness in their competitions, hard work and talent in sports should be rewarded specially during the obesity era of ours.

I'm unsure which one would be the wiser choice. I'd pick women I guess because a whole lot more people are affected.
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Post by Babun Fri 12 Mar 2021, 22:18

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/music/a35765776/why-eminem-gen-z-cancelled-tone-deaf-lyrics-explained/

Not sure whether "bad publicity is good publicity" for eminem or a real cancellation attempt.
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Post by Myesyats Fri 12 Mar 2021, 22:39

Aren't tiktok users literally 10 year olds? Why do we have to care about tiktok trends?

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri 12 Mar 2021, 23:15

futbol wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:
futbol wrote:And now? Now it's all over the news that translators who were supposed to translate her poems into other languages get fired because only black people should be allowed to translate her work. Laughing

Guessing there's more to this story because what you just described is totally illegal.

If it's true I hope the publishing houses get sued and are made to paid punitive damages.


There isn't more to it:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/mar/10/not-suitable-catalan-translator-for-amanda-gorman-poem-removed
In the US that would be a lawsuit. Not familiar enough with Spanish law.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri 12 Mar 2021, 23:18

CBarca wrote:I haven't made up my mind on how I feel on trans-women in sports. Difficult issue that one
it's not that difficult. They have an unfair advantage. Doesn't make them any less of a woman, but the vast majority of women who were born as one could train every day 8 hours a day and never get close to their muscle mass. Recognizing this simple fact should not have a stigma.
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Post by Thimmy Fri 12 Mar 2021, 23:32

Myesyats wrote:They should have their own section/category, period. It's basically cheating the system

Anyone can do this and smash all women's records Laughing


It doesn't affect me at all, so I say GO FOR IT! Cause some chaos, piss off some people. Let the trans women dominate. Don't think, just do! France won the World Cup! cheers
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Post by McLewis Sat 13 Mar 2021, 00:11

I think truly pure sports fans do not care about the gender of the athlete. They go to these events to be entertained. To be wowed. They go for the spectacle.  The entertainer's gender doesn't really figure into that equation.

So this "pro-women" stance is rather suspect to me. It seems to me that it's men who have taken up this flag of opposition more than women themselves. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the vibe I get. I see a lot more articles about men opposing this stuff than women. I keep asking myself why men would be threatened by this, when they're not even competing. The answer I keep coming back to is: money
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Post by Myesyats Sat 13 Mar 2021, 00:41

There has never been a clearer case. The science is clear on this. It's unfair and it's inequality, the very thing they set out to fight.

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Post by Thimmy Sat 13 Mar 2021, 01:23

McLewis wrote:I think truly pure sports fans do not care about the gender of the athlete. They go to these events to be entertained. To be wowed. They go for the spectacle.  The entertainer's gender doesn't really figure into that equation.

So this "pro-women" stance is rather suspect to me. It seems to me that it's men who have taken up this flag of opposition more than women themselves. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the vibe I get. I see a lot more articles about men opposing this stuff than women. I keep asking myself why men would be threatened by this, when they're not even competing. The answer I keep coming back to is: money


I have the opposite impression. Every time I read or hear someone complain about trans-women dominating in sports, it's been female athletes who've complained about it. I actually haven't heard a single man mention it, outside of the odd comment on the internet.
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Post by McLewis Sat 13 Mar 2021, 05:06

Myesyats wrote:There has never been a clearer case. The science is clear on this. It's unfair and it's inequality, the very thing they set out to fight.

Fairness and equality/inequality are social constructs. They are inherently subjective for that reason.

As for science? It's being weaponized, here in the US at least, by people who don't believe in wearing masks and don't believe in climate change. They only trust the "science" when it aligns with their ideological beliefs.

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McLewis wrote:I think truly pure sports fans do not care about the gender of the athlete. They go to these events to be entertained. To be wowed. They go for the spectacle.  The entertainer's gender doesn't really figure into that equation.

So this "pro-women" stance is rather suspect to me. It seems to me that it's men who have taken up this flag of opposition more than women themselves. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the vibe I get. I see a lot more articles about men opposing this stuff than women. I keep asking myself why men would be threatened by this, when they're not even competing. The answer I keep coming back to is: money


I have the opposite impression. Every time I read or hear someone complain about trans-women dominating in sports, it's been female athletes who've complained about it. I actually haven't heard a single man mention it, outside of the odd comment on the internet.

It largely depends on the media we consume, I suspect. Here in the States, It's the right-wing that drive the opposite to trans rights here. And the right-wing are largely led by men though a fair amount of women have had their say as well.
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Post by El Gunner Sat 13 Mar 2021, 10:39

mclewis???? it's unfair, end of story
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Post by Myesyats Sat 13 Mar 2021, 11:46

McLewis wrote:
Myesyats wrote:There has never been a clearer case. The science is clear on this. It's unfair and it's inequality, the very thing they set out to fight.

Fairness and equality/inequality are social constructs. They are inherently subjective for that reason.

As for science? It's being weaponized, here in the US at least, by people who don't believe in wearing masks and don't believe in climate change. They only trust the "science" when it aligns with their ideological beliefs.

Well now don't compare phony science to real science. Besides you don't even need any tests for this because it is so obvious.

And so you would disadvantage the 99% in favor of the 1% in the name of equality? It's just flipping the scales and creating way more inequality than you had when you started. Nonetheless, you can't make laws based on what the 1% wants but on what the 99% or the majority wants.

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Post by Thimmy Sat 13 Mar 2021, 11:47

McLewis wrote:
It largely depends on the media we consume, I suspect. Here in the States, It's the right-wing that drive the opposite to trans rights here. And the right-wing are largely led by men though a fair amount of women have had their say as well.


You're right. As I've mentioned before, Norway is one of the most progressive countries in the world, and it's undoubtedly the left-wing that drives the media here. As much as we can all agree that Trump is a flawed human being, I am beyond sick and tired of reading and hearing the anti-Trump propaganda that's been in the media here.

Recently, there's been stuff like this plastered on the front-page of our biggest newspaper.

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"Far Right's influencers fight for white supremacy"

And then there's an image of Lauren Southern, who, to my knowledge is not far-right or some kind of extremist, but rather moderately conservative. Mainstream media has a heavy influence on us. We just have to think for ourselves and be critical of these news sources.
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Post by Young Kaz Sat 13 Mar 2021, 11:54

Thimmy wrote:
McLewis wrote:
It largely depends on the media we consume, I suspect. Here in the States, It's the right-wing that drive the opposite to trans rights here. And the right-wing are largely led by men though a fair amount of women have had their say as well.


You're right. As I've mentioned before, Norway is one of the most progressive countries in the world, and it's undoubtedly the left-wing that drives the media here. As much as we can all agree that Trump is a flawed human being, I am beyond sick and tired of reading and hearing the anti-Trump propaganda that's been in the media here.

Recently, there's been stuff like this plastered on the front-page of our biggest newspaper.

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"Far Right's influencers fight for white supremacy"

And then there's an image of Lauren Southern, who, to my knowledge is not far-right or some kind of extremist, but rather moderately conservative. Mainstream media has a heavy influence on us. We just have to think for ourselves and be critical of these news sources.


Is moderate conservatism going to Europe from Canada, and stopping Carthage and his compatriots from trying to get into Europe? Laughing Laughing Laughing

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/identitarians-get-a-boat

If thats moderate then the lines have really moved these past few years. She sounds pretty fucking right wing in my opinion.....no moderate there.

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Post by elitedam Sat 13 Mar 2021, 12:12

From what I know of her, she's a massive piece of shit. She was in the alt-right movement for a while but then quit politics. The misogyny from her buddies was too much for her.

I don't think there's anything moderately conservative about her, unless she's done some kind of rebranding, as grifters often do.
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Post by Thimmy Sat 13 Mar 2021, 13:22

I'm not a fan of her, nor do I agree with her views, but based on what little I've seen of her political views, she's not a white supremacist. Feel free to talk about how bad she is, though. That was not my point Laughing

You may be right that's she's more than moderate, but I wouldn't call her an extremist or racist, based on what I know about her. Seems about as racist and far-right as Milo Yiannopulous. Make of that what you will.
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Post by Young Kaz Sat 13 Mar 2021, 13:45

Thimmy wrote:I'm not a fan of her, nor do I agree with her views, but based on what little I've seen of her political views, she's not a white supremacist. Feel free to talk about how bad she is, though. That was not my point Laughing

You may be right that's she's more than moderate, but I wouldn't call her an extremist or racist, based on what I know about her. Seems about as racist and far-right as Milo Yiannopulous. Make of that what you will.


Shes a Canadian that crossed an ocean to stop North Africans from crossing a Sea to get into Europe. That sounds like a textbook white supremacist to me. Does she have to literally be Breivik to be a far right conservative in Norway?

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Post by El Gunner Sat 13 Mar 2021, 13:47

don't know her, but if she is a proponent of white supremacy, then she is a piece of shit, no two ways about it.
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