Re: The Coronavirus Thread - Part 1

[VivaStPauli]

Sepp, as always, has no clue what he's talking about and goes for the most melodramatic version, because he's a little hysteric and adolescent.

You forgot unapologetic right-wing troll.

[VivaStPauli]

Also what the hell is this talk of no help within the EU? Germany sent truckloads of equipment to Italy right away, and we're already being offered support form hospitals in Luxemburg.

Edit: ah yeah, what Babun said. Exactly what Babun said, basically.

[Unique]

Mexico has said it sends it's best wishes to the USA at this time and has offered to pay for the wall and will start building it right away.

[Unique]

Chuck Norris has come into contact with someone infected with covid 19. The Corona virus has now been quarantined for 14 days.

[Zagadka]

Personally think this was the nail in the coffin for EU. Zero leadership, and basically every country went their way...do you think the Schengen borders will all magically re-open anytime soon? Not to mention Italy must be seething now as it got zero help from its neighbours and fellow members.

Every member is fucked and can't even contain the situation in their own backyard so in what way do you mean "helping each other"? Theres not enough resources in Europe as a whole as in theres shortage of tests, doctors and medicine all around.

The Eu doesn't have the authority to do stuff like shut down borders, or intitutions, or gatherings, and rightly so.
In Germany, not even the federal health minister or Merkel herself has that authority (declare certain things to be closed and gatherings to be forbidden), as Germany is a federal state and the states and communes have the power.
And it also makes sense to use an approach adequate to each situation.
You guys need to clam down, this is not the Black Death, we will be ok.
The EU will still exist, our countries will still exist, borders will open again, and life will go back to normal.

Sepp, as always, has no clue what he's talking about and goes for the most melodramatic version, because he's a little hysteric and adolescent.

However, it will be an enormous, in large parts unchecked, further leap towards an infrastructure of surveillance of citizens.

Yet my geopolitical predictions of the last hald decade as recorded here, have been significantly more accurate than yours.....hell, you weren't taking this shit seriously until even 2 weeks ago. Saying you wouldn't change your shopping habits.

all the respect for you Hans, you're older, but you actually look at events and geopolitics a lot more emotionally than I do.

I have no point to prove and don't want to beat you down, despite you for years calling me a toxic person with "horrible world view", and other demeaning shit.

We're all in it together now...potential global depression. so fasten your seatbelts. Either that, or we'll have to accept there'll be lots of deaths until a cure comes and itsu unavoidable, but we keep the economy going.

If you think shutting down all businesses for any extended period of time won't result in a massive recession or potentially depression, you live in a cookooland.

[Zagadka]

Sepp, as always, has no clue what he's talking about and goes for the most melodramatic version, because he's a little hysteric and adolescent.

You forgot unapologetic right-wing troll.

Viva "Socialism has never been tried" St. Pauli calls me a troll lol.

Anyway, I have no bad blood towards anyone...you "tolerant" far-lefters have a lot more hate towards people you disagree with than I do. Because despite my right-leaning tendencies, I don't see you guys as an enemy or some cancer. I actually kind of lean towards economic populism (which is a thing of the left).

But you're so stuck in your definition of RIGHT and LEFT, you're losing sight of the big picture. anyways, I'm done arguing with German "know it alls". I love you all equally.

I even kissed and made up with Betty ffs.

Inshalla'h everything will be okay and we'll all be fine in the end.

[Zagadka]

Every member is fucked and can't even contain the situation in their own backyard so in what way do you mean "helping each other"? Theres not enough resources in Europe as a whole as in theres shortage of tests, doctors and medicine all around.

The Eu doesn't have the authority to do stuff like shut down borders, or intitutions, or gatherings, and rightly so.
In Germany, not even the federal health minister or Merkel herself has that authority (declare certain things to be closed and gatherings to be forbidden), as Germany is a federal state and the states and communes have the power.
And it also makes sense to use an approach adequate to each situation.
You guys need to clam down, this is not the Black Death, we will be ok.
The EU will still exist, our countries will still exist, and life will go back to normal.

Sepp, as always, has no clue what he's talking about and goes for the most melodramatic version.

However, it will be an enormous, in large parts unchecked, further leap towards an infrastructure of surveillance of citizens.

Exactly. Also it means that we will be better prepared for any potential new pandemic in the future so not all that bad.

The economic measures being presented by American and Canadian gov't definitely don't look as they see this as something "temporary" that goes away in a month or two....much much more serious and severe than that.

[Robespierre]

EU and Euro survive only if it prevents that  economic crisis becomes a financial crisis.
So for example Lagarde should go away, because she's said exactly what she shouldn't have said some days ago. She 's managed situation for what she is, a reactionary , or rather, as a politician more than as an economist.
And I feel she's not the only one unprepared to manage an unprecedented situation

[rincon]

That said i do believe China is trying to make up for it. Why would they help other countries of they did not effectively manage to end the epidemia for themselves...

Likely to do what they have been doing for years, use every opportunity to expand their power in geopolitics.

You have this Serbian president now crying on tv saying that european solidarity is over and that Xi is his brother and friend. It's a power move by the chinese government to gain a foothold in these countries.

If they were trying to make up for it they wouldn't jail doctors and journalists that try to report on the virus, they wouldn't run their propaganda machine to blame the pandemic on the US.

You mix up politics with the people in China and the Wuhan virus outbreak.
1. People in China are just like you and me. There is no typical Chinese, like in Africa or India, people in every region are distinct in various ways. Think north and south Italy as example but on a much bigger scale, 1.3 billion scale.
2. The politics of the regime is totalitarian shit. I agree about that one. The sooner it collapses the better it is for them and the world in the long run. If you don't want to support China's policy just refrain from buying their products.
3. A global outbreak cannot be solved localy. Say China gets it under control so no infected is present anymore. One infected from the outside is enough to start off the chain again. The right move is to help out each other, so there is no carrier or spreader around anymore. That's what Germany, China and Italy are doing. As soon as the outbreak started, Germany and Italy sent maks and other equipment to China, USA did nothing. When the outbreak started in Italy, Germany and China sent equipment to Italy. Do you see a pattern?
What did the USA do? They put the problem under the carpet until Trump couldn't ignore it anymore. The best they came up with was getting exclusive rights on CureVac just for the US Americans. Iran for example cannot bring the outbreak under control partially because the medical resources they need is under embargo. Instead of lifting the embargo on medical devices/medicaments they wanted to send people ( certainly mixed up with CIA agenst ) into the country. Their "help" was rightfuly denied, the media in the west acted as if Iran is being unreasonable. So, if we eradicate the virus all over the world, are we supposed to isolate Iran forever somehow and to live in fear of getting the infection back?
The most recent and deadliest pandemics came from USA: Spanish flu and swine flu.

Please point to a single comment that I have ever made that mixes up chinese people and the chinese government.

I have never said anything against chinese people, on GL or otherwise.

[Warrior]

Should never ask that question about cigarettes. Now i feel like shit every time i smoke one

I don't have asthma but i don't have cardio either. Just great stamina to keep going when playing sports. Idk the current state of my lungs but that's my genuine concern for myself.

Won't see my father for weeks, he had leukemia which he overcame, but apprently this will weaken him about coronavirus. My grandma suffers alzheimer and she lives in a nursing home, the most at risk place. Visits are not allowed anymore. So i fear she will die alone, what remains of her mind must have realized she does not get visits anymore, but she doesn't know about the virus.

[Zagadka]

When you didn't prep because prepping is for the paranoid. pic.twitter.com/mO9SaVG5pq

— Jameson Lopp (@lopp) March 16, 2020

[Warrior]

Only assholes need that much toilet paper

That video is some crazy shit, it's been pretty clear since the start that groceries WILL NOT close

As a truck driver we are told to apply for food distribution companies if our current job release us. Because transport for food is the last thing that will stop.

[Zagadka]

Only assholes need that much toilet paper

That video is some crazy shit, it's been pretty clear since the start that groceries WILL NOT close

As a truck driver we are told to apply for food distribution companies if our current job release us. Because transport for food is the last thing that will stop.

I don't get the toilet frazy....people not heard of bidets? and stones?

today for the first time in a week, I found rice, meat, tuna and pasta in the local grocery....positive to see supply chain still running smoothly and the store was obviously significantly less crowded than it was last week.

I'm good for 2-3 weeks at least.

[Young Kaz]

I'm just wondering like...what is Betty arguing right now?

Originally I thought you were just trying to be anti-racist, but it seems like you're actively sticking up for China as a nation where people should want to move to? Assuming that you aren't Muslim, I imagine?

No clue what your point is

And why the fuck are we turning this into the racism thread again? Jesus christ, there is literally a thread for this shit. Go over there

The racism thread is officially wherever Europeans feel comfortable enough to call chinese people filthy fuckers.

[Zagadka]

Merkel says coronavirus "biggest challenge for Germany since WW2"

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/angela-merkel-sieht-corona-krise-als-groesste-herausforderung-seit-dem-zweiten-weltkrieg-a-bd56dc3f-2436-4a03-b2cf-5e44e06ffb49

Hans: "Stop overreacting you hysterical adolescent", Viva: "Merkel, that god damn unapologetic right-wing troll"

Sorry, had to get this out.

Ich liebe dich

[Myesyats]

I'm just wondering like...what is Betty arguing right now?

Originally I thought you were just trying to be anti-racist, but it seems like you're actively sticking up for China as a nation where people should want to move to? Assuming that you aren't Muslim, I imagine?

No clue what your point is

And why the fuck are we turning this into the racism thread again? Jesus christ, there is literally a thread for this shit. Go over there

The racism thread is officially wherever Europeans feel comfortable enough to call chinese people filthy fuckers.

And your role here is what? Because GL doesn't need a human right activist movement. It's just a football forum

[Warrior]

If you are lucid, this comes out of frustration, it's a normal human reaction and your anti racism trolling will only enhance that. Weird hill to die on right now.

I wish there was no racism debates here

[Young Kaz]

I'm just wondering like...what is Betty arguing right now?

Originally I thought you were just trying to be anti-racist, but it seems like you're actively sticking up for China as a nation where people should want to move to? Assuming that you aren't Muslim, I imagine?

No clue what your point is

And why the fuck are we turning this into the racism thread again? Jesus christ, there is literally a thread for this shit. Go over there

The racism thread is officially wherever Europeans feel comfortable enough to call chinese people filthy fuckers.

And your role here is what? Because GL doesn't need a human right activist movement. It's just a football forum

Myesyats son all I do is drop red pills.

[Nishankly]

Italy 4.2k cases today with 495 deaths. No sign of stopping. The scary part is the amount of doctors infected.

[The Demon of Carthage]

When you didn't prep because prepping is for the paranoid. pic.twitter.com/mO9SaVG5pq

— Jameson Lopp (@lopp) March 16, 2020

There will always be food. People are mistaking COVID-19 for a nuclear holocaust.

The virus will do some serious damage with human lives, but it won't magically make the food in supermarkets disappear. People do.

And make no mistake, those people who buy more food than they need, leaving nothing or very little to everybody else, and fight over toilet paper are the same people who don't listen to instructions, refuse to stay home, go out and help spread the disease.

They are selfish and inconsiderate, and the only two things they care about is eating and shitting.

[Myesyats]

The racism thread is officially wherever Europeans feel comfortable enough to call chinese people filthy fuckers.

And your role here is what? Because GL doesn't need a human right activist movement. It's just a football forum

Myesyats son all I do is drop red pills.

If China is such a world power then its citizens shouldnt be reduced to the necessity of eating wild animals to survive. Wasnt wildlife trade inChina already banned in the 2000s? It's unfathomable that such markets are still a thing in this day and age.

[Warrior]

Italy 4.2k cases today with 495 deaths. No sign of stopping. The scary part is the amount of doctors infected.

Wtf

Is Italy considered a statistical anomaly ?

[Young Kaz]

And your role here is what? Because GL doesn't need a human right activist movement. It's just a football forum

Myesyats son all I do is drop red pills.

If China is such a world power then its citizens shouldnt be reduced to the necessity of eating wild animals to survive. Wasnt wildlife trade inChina already banned in the 2000s? It's unfathomable that such markets are still a thing in this day and age.

You still have to feed over a billion people.

USA is the greatest nation the world has ever seen, with a 5th of the population of china, and even we have hungry kids.

[Warrior]

USA is the nation who won the most "my dick is bigger than yours" tournaments... that's about it

As for living there as a citizen, Canada is far superior, let alone other countries who have good reputation NZ, Norway, Finland etc

[Arquitecto]

Calling them "filthy fuckers" and the disease "kung flu" IS racism. Lets get real here this has just given Europeans an out to express the way they have always felt.

Also lets be real Japan is neutered. If we were able to assert ourselves as a people the way the Han did you'd most likely feel the same way towards the yamato.

Japan isnt even allowed to speak up against Americans raping Japanese women on the island, but is magically ahead culturally to a Chinese world power that demands equal treatment to the west on EVERY stage? Dont make me laugh

Those are cherrypicked groups that do not represent the large part of the criticism they rightfully face.

The criticism I point out is not to the people but the nation and who controls to to which countless atrocities to multiple entities are committed yearly, and more.


By Japan being better we are not speaking culturally we are speaking as a society be it infastructure to hygiene to health to reasons that are just obvious when you are in the country compared to China.

It is among the best countries in the world to live in and China is nowhere near that.


And none of these points have to do anything with mine given what me or others have pointed out are consistent in terms of the way China operates, the way they are protected by the Western media and their general treatment of humanity, animals and the environment of the world.


We know these issues and by we I include you and there is no excuses for them.

Best in the world live in? Lets be real here unless you are 37+ years old you dont even remember a world where Japan has not been in an economic depression.  The only people who, if given a choice, live in a place like Japan over a first world nation are people like my grandfather who were beat down so badly by racism in their life they just want to live around people who look like them before they die.

Compare the lives of Chinese professionals in Shanghai or Beijing or Hong kong to the lives of comparable groups in Kobe or Osaka or Tokyo and the difference is glaring.  Chinese young adults get education and are able to enter the workforce of the most prestigious firms in the world where they can make a big name for themselves in a few years and live their life if they work hard enough for it.

Japanese young adults literally have to beg crap firms that pay like 3 million year to hire them on so they can sit at their desk all day, post pictures to instagram, and fetch coffee for people while looking down at their old classmates who are now serving them the coffee and actually working for the half amount they get.

Chinese firms actually give their workers raises too. Unlike in Japan where  your boss will get offended and turn your request to be fairly compensated against you and bring up hurtful things about your girlfriend/wife not being satisfied in the bed which is why you shouldnt get a raise(this actually happens). Chinese firms keep it all business, which is why they produce and why people think twice about coming out against them. Its hard to take a stand against producers.

What all of these are apply to key cities that are a thimble compared to what goes on in China. I can go on anecdotes of how many Chinese businesses have screwed me over, to friends to family to AC Milan finding an entire room rented out  literally posing as a company as a sporting venture.

Why do I have to explain something about China that is literally known all over the business world in wariness of dealing with the Chinese. Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong? What about the reports that you're failing to recount of all the employees getting screwed over daily, working in pathetic conditions and underpaid wages?

I can name 3 brilliant cities for work in sub-standard countries like Brazil, South Africa, India, or Kenya yet that does not negate from the overall picture that we cannot compare an infastucture like China to Japan to which is world class and just a league above.

If we cherry-pick and highlight differences that support the argument I understand but there is just no comparison. Beyond Hong Kong there is no city to write home about whilst Shangai glimmers from a distance and beyond key central areas is rather mediocre. I won't even begin on Beijing.

Why are no atrocities highlighted such as:

Xinjiang
Yulin
Christian persecution
The fact that citizens are literally monitored
Internet censorship
Three Gorges Dam
Ridiculous bullshit culture of killing endangered animals and using their parts for virility/vitality/energy etc despite the fact that its all bullshit.

The list is endless.

Even mentioning the top cities is ridiculous given the system is so autocratic and favours the rich that there is no midway line. It is basically known women's only way to truly get to the top is giving sexual favours to the top hierarchies in such cities.

And yet countries continue to profit off of China's crime.


CB has a good question. What exactly are you even defending China for? For what purpose? Nobody buys the fact that China is as hype as you say it is. We all know what it is.

And how in the world did the question of race yet again enter this and yet again?

No question has been brought upon their people from mainland to Hong Kong.

The criticism is aimed to the nation itself, how they work, their government, their hierarchy, politics and how quite frankly its a rather sub-par country to live in. Comparing it to Japan is ludicrous.

[Myesyats]

Myesyats son all I do is drop red pills.

If China is such a world power then its citizens shouldnt be reduced to the necessity of eating wild animals to survive. Wasnt wildlife trade inChina already banned in the 2000s? It's unfathomable that such markets are still a thing in this day and age.

You still have to feed over a billion people.

USA is the greatest nation the world has ever seen, with a 5th of the population of china, and even we have hungry kids.

So is there no deer or boar in china? Can't they properly cook it at least? Is there a necessity to kill snakes, monkeys and such and eat them raw in many instances? People are starving everywhere but not everyone starts pandemics.

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