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Post by The Franchise Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:25 am

As a Southerner, I can confirm Hearn is a typical Southern wanker Laughing

Anyways, I've been good with underdog predictions lately in both MMA and Boxing (had Ugas easily beating Manny, had Giga easily beating Barbosa, had Guerrero beating Ortiz and further back had Prochazka beating Reyes) and while im not ready to say Usky beats AJ....its a serious consideration at the moment.

Usky may surprise people with a pressuring strategy, using his far better mobility and feinting to fatigue AJ. Only issue is, AJ has a good straight right which is the southpaw killer.

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Post by Arquitecto Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:26 pm

AJ is most likely to win and not because he is better.

Usyk is the more skilled boxer and with the better boxing IQ and to be honest its not even close. Thats how good he is.

But Heavyweight does not suit him as against Chisora he looked slower and not himself and keep in mind he is on the wrong side fo 34 now.

He has bulked up even more weight for his coming fight and the signs for me are not looking good.

He did get Lomachenko's father on his side for this fight but I find Papachenko a better trainer for amateur's than pro fights as good as he is.

Usyk just has never faced a big puncher like AJ as if he does not knock Joshua out there is no way the judges will score it for Usyk right in London akin to Canelo in Vegas. Not a chance.

Usyk will have to dig deep and outbox AJ and given AJ's terrible stamina its very possible but I can't see a win here for the Ukranian as much as I want to.

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Post by The Franchise Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:05 pm

It is a good assessment, which is why I am reluctant to actually pick Usyk right now.

I think the Chisora fight wasnt that reflective though, Chisora is lumbering tank who you have to get rid with power asap or you simply will never look good.

AJ fight will be very different in styles though that does also lend itself to your point. Usyk on neutral ground with fair judges, can win a decision, but in London there is next to no chance. But I also dont see him knocking AJ out, despite him being weak chinned and easily tired.
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Post by Arquitecto Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:19 pm

Usyk isn't a knockout artist true there wont be any knocking out AJ here.

Just hope that added weight hasn't hampered his mobility and your point on Chisora is good.


Can see Usyk starting strong but before AJ's tank is out he should score the KO by R8-10.

If Usyk wins it will not surprise me the least but given he just is better but the size difference here is the difference.
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Post by Harmonica Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:10 pm

Holyfield-Belfort was hard to watch. Holyfield looked like slow molasses, even for 58 year old. Never should've happened, and Tyson-Holyfield is definitely out.
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Post by Arquitecto Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:56 pm

Holyfield seems to keep himself well but has definitely been one of the guys post boxing who suffered from the effects of too many punches to the head as for long his speech has been slow and slurry and this never should have been allowed.

Tyson on the other hand looked great in his fight v RJJ.
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Post by The Franchise Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:15 pm

He was getting off balance and stumbling just throwing pads. Totally translated to the fight and was all over the place. Vitor was ruthless in getting him out of there and im just happy it wasnt a brutal one punch KO.

Spider killed Ortiz and that was absolutely tremendous Laughing Something very fulfilling about his giant head bouncing off the canvas.

Feed any of the Paul's to either Anderson or Vitor and im a happy man.
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Post by RealGunner Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:00 pm

Let's go boys

Interesting to see how Usyk deals with the power and size difference. Good chance of Joshua KO him but let's see

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Post by RealGunner Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:11 pm

Hate these long ass intros. This isn't WWE lmao

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Post by RealGunner Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:25 pm

Very impressive by Usyk
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Post by RealGunner Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:45 pm

Absolutely incredible by Usyk

6-1 or 5-2 by my count
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Post by RealGunner Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:49 pm

Usyk just needs to defend the last few rounds.
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Post by Firenze Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:04 pm

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Post by RealGunner Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:10 pm

well deserved. Outclassed AJ. Fantastic stuff

Fury would make easy work of both of them.
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Post by Harmonica Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:09 pm

@RealGunner wrote:Fury would make easy work of both of them.
Moot point when Fury would fight neither of them.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:43 pm

He might fight Usyk since Joshua is out of the window now
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Post by Harmonica Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:29 pm

@RealGunner wrote:He might fight Usyk since Joshua is out of the window now
There's rematch option for Joshua before that. Either way I don't think Fury will fight either of them.
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Post by The Franchise Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:07 am

Knew Usky would win this, as I said earlier in the thread he will surprise people.

His feet are too good and his feinting constantly draws the reactions he wants while tiring his opposition. Every fighter he faces is out on their feet by the end of it.

He was able to shoot the straight left or drop the overhand left before AJ could even react, then shift to the side so AJ couldn't throw back.

Added in the foot feints to get AJ to react, then he shifts and forces AJ to reset, and this wears you down.

After his closed AJ's right eye, turned those left straights into looping hooks and that 12th round was a battering.

I gave AJ 3 rounds, and that was being generous.

Usky could even give Fury problems, his foot speed is that good still. But it wouldn't be an entertaining fight for the casual I'd imagine.
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Post by The Franchise Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:11 am

As for AJ. People talking about him being too big and using bullying tactics, never believed it. He doesn't have that in his mental make up.

He gets wobbled too easily, he can't soak up shots and march forward, can't push people around and only holds when he's in trouble.

His confidence is shit, you can tell by his corner who constantly praise everything he does in there. His team are like a Sunday football dad, yelling nonense as their boy needs every bit of encouragement.
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Post by Harmonica Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:39 am

Joshua has that Bruno thing going on, great physique but weak mentality. Although Bruno's mentality got exposed by Tyson, who probably is the most feared fighter ever. And Bruno for me is still the greatest British hw ever, apart from Lennox if you consider him British.
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Post by Arquitecto Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:51 am

Joshua is a certified bum.

Most of his best wins were from past their prime bests be it Klitschko, Potevkin to even Pulev. Never anyone great in their prime as Takam and Brazeale are cans as it is.

How the fuck do you get this outclassed by someone who has 3 inches less than you, not at his natural weight, looks uncomfortable against a 47 year old fat Chisora and gained even weight further too fast for this fight.

Not to mention Usyk HAS slowed down in the last 2 years.

And the fact that this was in your home in London, in the Tottenham stadium.

Usyk is so ridiculously skilled its unreal. Fury, Golovkin, Canelo, Loma and Usyk the most skilled boxers in the world at the moment. I dont count Bud as he has fought no one.

Only shame here is no Fury v Joshua but I do wonder if Usyk Fury would happen but that would be too much size for Usyk.

10/10 performance from Usyk.
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Post by The Franchise Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:42 pm

Usyk's slowdown, will only be relevant below the heavyweight limit.

At heavy weight, he is still much too sharp and his feet are still too good to be troubled by the likes of AJ. This has been the era of clunky heavyweights and Usyk is here to expose it.

After the first round, it was clear AJ using his jab to stay at long range was not going to happen. Usyk took it away immediately, using his front hand to feint and therefore occupy AJ's front hand, then step on the outside to shoot the left, shutting off half of AJ's target in the process.

I think if not for the constant UK propaganda, AJ would be rated appropriately and this fight wouldn't have been such a surprise. People truly think AJ is an elite technical combination boxer puncher with amazing atheltic ability, because he looks like one and has a gold medal.

The truth is, he isn't quick or fast a foot, he is wobbled by most heavyweights who can punch and therefore can easily become timid in the right circumstances. He obviously packs a powerful shot with either hand but he doesn't use his size to bully anyone and his so called skills are really just a good right uppercut and 1-2-3 when in range.

Wider pre Fury destruction would have sent him into the shadow realm, Fury obviously beats him and if Ortiz was 10 year younger he'd beat him too.
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Post by RealGunner Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:49 pm

@The Franchise wrote:As for AJ. People talking about him being too big and using bullying tactics, never believed it. He doesn't have that in his mental make up.

He gets wobbled too easily, he can't soak up shots and march forward, can't push people around and only holds when he's in trouble.

His confidence is shit, you can tell by his corner who constantly praise everything he does in there. His team are like a Sunday football dad, yelling nonense as their boy needs every bit of encouragement.


The more he fights the more he is getting exposed. Most of his early wins were because he would finish the fight in less than 6 rounds. When he is asked to go beyond 6 rounds he looks out of it. Has terrible conditioning because he was never trained to go 12 rounds.

Also the corner thing was hilarious. He was being battered in the last round and someone was shouting "you are doing great sweetie" Laughing

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Post by Arquitecto Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:46 am

AJ has faced 3 extremely skilled fighters in his career.

Klitschko, who was well past it by that fight and a bit stiffer than usual.

Ruiz who took AJ's soul. The rematch was Ruiz in disgustingly fat condition and a hit and run strategy.

Then Usyk.

The jab and reach extension plan worked for AJ in round 1-5 but Usyk looked better each time on the inside. He oddly strayed away from that in a deviation from his plan and it didn't work for 1-2 rounds but by round 9-12 it was all Usyk who was comfortable in cutting angles and facing toes with AJ and it was a complete outclass. He just left no room for AJ to move in either.


If Fury beats Wilder (hopefully) then I want to see a Wilder-AJ face-off in which Wilder knocks his head off.
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Post by Harmonica Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:50 am

Kownacki going all Golota against the Nordic Nightmare. Laughing Where's the freaking title shot? Don't care if it's Fury or Usyk, I've waited a decade for Helenius to bring dat HW titulero home.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:08 pm

Fury is insane. It's not possible to KO him.

Amazing fight with Wilder
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