Re: USA gun violence thread

by Art Morte Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:44 pm

That's a bit of a weird target, a disabled social services unit. And if it's more than one gunman, we'll see what was their common motivation.

by Robespierre Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:49 pm

Art Morte wrote:That's a bit of a weird target, a disabled social services unit. And if it's more than one gunman, we'll see what was their common motivation.

I feel it has do with neonazi , nazi exterminated the disabled already before to do same thing with Jews, because they consider them " sub-humanity to be eradicated ".
Anyway no words to describe the disgust...

by Tomwin Lannister Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:00 pm

Suiting up in tac gear, possibly getting hold of a bomb and finding actual like minded people to attack a...... disabled social services unit.

Wtf how does that even happen? How does somebody even muster up the life altering hatred for something like that?

by dmize Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:28 pm

Likely picked that place cause it's a soft target. Low security, lots of people. Sick fk's

SWAT responding to something in Pasadena
http://ktla.com/on-air/live-streaming/

e: apparently there was a conference going on there w/ SB county officials, which may have been the target.

by rwo power Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:17 pm

Art Morte wrote:That's a bit of a weird target, a disabled social services unit. And if it's more than one gunman, we'll see what was their common motivation.

Well, it's pretty much the same as attacking one of those Planned Parenthood hospitals - there you have lots of targets that are easy to kill. When I heard about it, my first thought was "looks like another group of those gun-crazy ultraright Republicans who have severe problems with everything that has "social" in their names as they feel this takes away off their money, so it has to be exterminated".

Frankly, I would feel much unsafer in the US than anywhere in Europe even if here we might encounter one or the other insane IS terrorist - the number of people killed in the US by crazy gunmen is far exceeding everything terrorists kill in Europe...

by dmize Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:28 pm

Two suspects down supposedly after a car chase. One in the SUV one on the ground. One still on the loose.

They shot the hell out of that SUV:
i.imgur.com/LiZg6LW.jpg

by VivaStPauli Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:32 pm

WTF why did they have tactical gear? Surely that's legal to buy because you need it to trap otters, or some other retarded reason?

by BarrileteCosmico Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:43 pm

Every day I think Canada's winter is a little less bad

by DuringTheWar Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:46 am

rwo power wrote:
Art Morte wrote:That's a bit of a weird target, a disabled social services unit. And if it's more than one gunman, we'll see what was their common motivation.
Well, it's pretty much the same as attacking one of those Planned Parenthood hospitals - there you have lots of targets that are easy to kill. When I heard about it, my first thought was "looks like another group of those gun-crazy ultraright Republicans who have severe problems with everything that has "social" in their names as they feel this takes away off their money, so it has to be exterminated".

Frankly, I would feel much unsafer in the US than anywhere in Europe even if here we might encounter one or the other insane IS terrorist - the number of people killed in the US by crazy gunmen is far exceeding everything terrorists kill in Europe...

I've read that people going out jogging in the rougher areas of the US often carry 20 dollar bills so potential muggers won't get offended and shoot them in the face for wasting their time. I'm not sure if that sort of thing happens in other countries but I'd imagine the prospect of facing a mugger in the US is more likely to result in you getting shot than elsewhere.

by rwo power Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:12 am

If you encounter some mugger here, it is probably more likely that he wouldn't have a gun, but a knife, thus you always have a fighting chance.

(As a matter of fact, I was assaulted here by a guy with a knife some years ago, but a well aimed hard kick in the nuts and a hit to his throat sufficed to make him reconsider his intent. I doubt that would have worked if that guy would have had a gun.)

by Firenze Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:22 am

by Kaladin Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:44 am

What the actual *bleep*

by rwo power Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:57 am

Total number of gun related deaths in the USA in 2013: 33636
People killed by terrorists worldwide in 2014: 32658

hmm

Sources:
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322308/Number-people-killed-terrorists-worldwide-soars-80-just-year.html

by RedOranje Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:21 am

At this point, it almost feels routine to face this type of shock on a nearly weekly basis... which is horrid in its own unique way.

It irks me just how eager the media seem to be to declare this "terrorism" (with the HEAVILY implied "Islamic/Foreign" prefix) even as they repeatedly point out how little clear information they have on the situation.

by rwo power Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:46 am

Well, if you extrapolate this overview the Guardian posted 2 months ago, then it is much more often than just weekly: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence

by McAgger Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:22 am

rwo power wrote:If you encounter some mugger here, it is probably more likely that he wouldn't have a gun, but a knife, thus you always have a fighting chance.

(As a matter of fact, I was assaulted here by a guy with a knife some years ago, but a well aimed hard kick in the nuts and a hit to his throat sufficed to make him reconsider his intent. I doubt that would have worked if that guy would have had a gun.)

Rwo you got unbelievably lucky there.

Let me give all of you some life saving advise. NEVER FIGHT SOMEONE WITH A KNIFE. EVER. If the person has any idea of how to remotely use a knife you will die. Run as fast as you can.

I know a hardcore hand to hand combat specialist who's trained everyday for like the past 15 years. And he's told me countless times he would never ever fight someone with a knife.

In fact it's proven you can charge someone with a gun without them being able to discharge their firearm if you're within 20 feet. Of course the gun has to be holstered or hidden not already pointed at you.

If you don't believe me, give someone a sharpie and ask them to attack you with it and see how many sharpie marks you'll have on you before you can actually disarm them.

by rwo power Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:41 am

@James

Well, the "run as fas as you can" thing is the problem. I was never a fast runner, thus I always chose to face problems head on instead of helplessly being caught in the back while trying to run. Frankly, that guy was lucky that *he* could run fast as I was so furious that I would probably have ripped him apart with my bare hands if I had gotten him. ^^

BTW, I actually didn't bother trying to disarm that guy. I just kicked him where it hurt most and when he doubled over went for his throat and eyes.

by Firenze Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:36 am

hmm

police still don't know the motive, but the shooter was a US born man of Pakistani descent( and apparently a devout Muslim, which the press are highlighting of course) named Sayeed Farook and the second shooter was his wife/partner Tashfeen Malik, who is apparently a Saudi national he met online

he worked for San Bernadino county state for years and was there for a work XMAS party

apparently left after having an argument then came back 20 minutes later and started shooting

which makes it sound spur of the moment, but then you factor in the fact that multiple explosives were found, tactical vests, etc. and it hints to being premeditated

he and his wife had just had a baby daughter too that's now orphaned Sad

scum

by rwo power Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:49 am

RedOranje wrote:At this point, it almost feels routine to face this type of shock on a nearly weekly basis... which is horrid in its own unique way.

Once more to get back to this point... Here's a website that lists all the mass shootings in the USA, and for 2015 (Jan 1 to Nov 27 so far), they already have 351 events (an average of more than one per day), which are given including links to the news sources, so these are obviously not made up.

Mass Shootings in the USA in 2015: http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

By the way, I just stumbled over a NY Times article that details the gun ownership situation in Germany pretty well and how there are only very few mass shootings despite Germany surprisingly ranking fourth in the world for "guns per capita" in 2013: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/08/world/europe/germany-faces-few-mass-shootings-amid-tough-gun-laws.html

by Clutch Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:16 am

DuringTheWar wrote:I've read that people going out jogging in the rougher areas of the US often carry 20 dollar bills so potential muggers won't get offended and shoot them in the face for wasting their time. I'm not sure if that sort of thing happens in other countries but I'd imagine the prospect of facing a mugger in the US is more likely to result in you getting shot than elsewhere.

I've never heard of that and I live in the US. People jog in nice areas, no one will go jog in a bad neighborhood. Most people who live in improvish areas dont exercise and security is one of many reason why they dont. If you go to a run down area no one will be jogging.

by Cruijf Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:01 pm

Firenze wrote:
he and his wife had just had a baby daughter too that's now orphaned

Horrible. She's gonna have to live her entire life in the shadow of this Sad

by VivaStPauli Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:25 pm

Don't call me James wrote:
In fact it's proven you can charge someone with a gun without them being able to discharge their firearm if you're within 20 feet. Of course the gun has to be holstered or hidden not already pointed at you.

by DuringTheWar Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:07 pm

Clutch wrote:
DuringTheWar wrote:I've read that people going out jogging in the rougher areas of the US often carry 20 dollar bills so potential muggers won't get offended and shoot them in the face for wasting their time. I'm not sure if that sort of thing happens in other countries but I'd imagine the prospect of facing a mugger in the US is more likely to result in you getting shot than elsewhere.
I've never heard of that and I live in the US. People jog in nice areas, no one will go jog in a bad neighborhood. Most people who live in improvish areas dont exercise and security is one of many reason why they dont. If you go to a run down area no one will be jogging.

I'd read it recently in an article written by Christopher Hitchens about gun control. Tbf it was written in the 90s. Given the topic of discussion I may as well post that article here

http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Essays/Myth%20of%20Gun%20Control/

by VivaStPauli Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:26 pm

Hitchens still advocated gun control though, just one without wide disarmament. He's got a point, but it's just one more along the lines of "we should work what we have", rejecting the sense that you could change it.

When of course, nobody ever tried to take away the guns, so I think it's kind of cynical to just pretend that we can all know that it wouldn't work just because of scope.

by Guest Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:13 pm

Clutch wrote:
DuringTheWar wrote:I've read that people going out jogging in the rougher areas of the US often carry 20 dollar bills so potential muggers won't get offended and shoot them in the face for wasting their time. I'm not sure if that sort of thing happens in other countries but I'd imagine the prospect of facing a mugger in the US is more likely to result in you getting shot than elsewhere.
I've never heard of that and I live in the US. People jog in nice areas, no one will go jog in a bad neighborhood. Most people who live in improvish areas dont exercise and security is one of many reason why they dont. If you go to a run down area no one will be jogging.

They exercise, just at open areas like courts and others with clear visibility towards main streets where officers patrol.

by Unique Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:04 pm

Betty La Fea wrote:
Clutch wrote:
DuringTheWar wrote:I've read that people going out jogging in the rougher areas of the US often carry 20 dollar bills so potential muggers won't get offended and shoot them in the face for wasting their time. I'm not sure if that sort of thing happens in other countries but I'd imagine the prospect of facing a mugger in the US is more likely to result in you getting shot than elsewhere.
I've never heard of that and I live in the US. People jog in nice areas, no one will go jog in a bad neighborhood. Most people who live in improvish areas dont exercise and security is one of many reason why they dont. If you go to a run down area no one will be jogging.

They exercise, just at open areas like courts and others with clear visibility towards main streets where officers patrol.

is crime in the USA that bad. Shocked

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