Re: USA gun violence thread

[El Gunner]

The point is mass shootings. We're talking, open free, easy-to-do mass shootings.

You're talking about complicated, well-thought out murders.

Tell me this, how many mass shootings have happened in the UK this past year?

[Unique]

The point is mass shootings. We're talking, open free, easy-to-do mass shootings.

You're talking about complicated, well-thought out murders.

Tell me this, how many mass shootings have happened in the UK this past year?

none. but that has nothing to do with how easy it is to get guns.

[El Gunner]

Love how a Muslim man taking a car hitting 5 people on the street without reason is a terrorist but a white American who opens an automatic weapon on teens from a distance killing 100s is a normal crime which just happens sigh.

so where is the line between terrorism and crime. so if a drug dealer shoots another drug dealer is that terrorism. was gary ridgeway and ted bundy both terrorists. if a guy gets drunk and kills someone  driving home is he a terrorist.

Terrorism is intentional violent acts of terror on the public.

I hate the political/religious annotation that is usually added to the word's meaning.

[Freeza]

Legally he is a terrorist. Thereby please address him as such:


Nevada state law:

Terrorism is any act that involves the use of attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to
(a) cause great bodily harm or death to the general population; or
(b) cause substantial destruction, contamination or impairment of
         (1) any building or infrastructure, communications, transportation, utilities or services, or
         (2) any natural resource or the environment.

[El Gunner]

The point is mass shootings. We're talking, open free, easy-to-do mass shootings.

You're talking about complicated, well-thought out murders.

Tell me this, how many mass shootings have happened in the UK this past year?

none. but that has nothing to do with how easy it is to get guns.

But it has every thing to do with the possibility of acting out mass shootings. So you see, you just confirmed our argument. Strict gun laws reduce mass shootings.

Pls stop arguing against common logic just for the sake of wanting to oppose "liberal views" jesus christ.

[Unique]

so when I said nelson mandela was a terrorist in a thread a few months ago why did no one agree with me. in fact most people got on my back about it so what has changed since then people.

[M99]

The point is mass shootings. We're talking, open free, easy-to-do mass shootings.

You're talking about complicated, well-thought out murders.

Tell me this, how many mass shootings have happened in the UK this past year?

none. but that has nothing to do with how easy it is to get guns.

Oh then what does it have to do with

[Unique]

The point is mass shootings. We're talking, open free, easy-to-do mass shootings.

You're talking about complicated, well-thought out murders.

Tell me this, how many mass shootings have happened in the UK this past year?

none. but that has nothing to do with how easy it is to get guns.

But it has every thing to do with the possibility of acting out mass shootings. So you see, you just confirmed our argument. Strict gun laws reduce mass shootings.

Pls stop arguing against common logic just for the sake of wanting to oppose "liberal views" jesus christ.

but gun laws did not reduce mass shootings in the uk because its easy to get a gun in the uk if you want one. the reason there were no mass shootings in the uk is because no one in the uk wanted to carry out a mass shooting. and that's a whole new debate.

[Guest]

Just American things...

[Guest]

Also they need to throw his girlfriend in Jail whenever they drag her back to America. She laid up in a house with a dude with 43 guns and didnt say anything? Pinay have the lowest standards on earth when it comes to men.

[Tomwin Lannister]

Semi on topic but i'd personally love to live in a country where the only guns in circulation were revolvers. I'm not loving Americas gun problem, the problems are evident to see with the regular mass shootings, however I recognise that there are a lot of assholes out there and a deterrent for the scumbag criminals wanting to jump bystanders is not knowing if they're packing a lethal weapon or not.

Obviously it's too late for America because GL;HF confiscating all of the firearms in circulation there but i'd be fine with a system where everybody gets a six shooter. No mass shootings realistically, and as far as the damage argument goes a knife in a night club/city center can easily do more damage than a limited hand gun with poor reloading capabilities.

However, the obvious drawback is accidental shootings/the occasional targeted attack being somewhat easier but the way the world is, personally i'd like an option to carry. All of the knife/acid attacks that happen in the UK are not remotely preventable because you're not allowed anything at all here, not even a pair of brass knucks so you're essentially helpless unless you can defend yourself well but even then life isn't a bruce lee film and you're not taking on few people with knives regardless of how good you think you are. So anybody that's a bit frail represents open season to any pieces of shit.


America have gone to one extreme, the UK the other. I'd advocate a middle ground with very strict gun control and with low end guns exclusively.

[RealGunner]

What exactly is the point of having a revolver? Similarly, what is your issue with the current UK gun laws? We have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world. Why would you want to increase that.

[Kaladin]

I just don't egt why that amendment isn't revised or the higher ups dont do anything? I mean wasn't there (forgive my history in US) an amendment for the banning of the alcohol? Then got deleted or some bs? 19th or 20 th amendment iirc. I mean why cant the same be done here? Why is it so hard to configure that amendment? Congress?

So glad i didnt study in the US

[Tomwin Lannister]

What exactly is the point of having a revolver? Similarly, what is your issue with the current UK gun laws? We have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world. Why would you want to increase that.

Homicide sure, what about the surge in acid attacks for example? What deterrent is there for any potential mugging/attack here? None. Because law abiding citizens can't so much as carry a can of pepper spray without risking being locked up. Luckily I do not fit the profile for somebody you'd try and mug on the street but thinking further down the line to if I have kids, if somebody has ill intent on the street your average person is helpless here.

Which is why i'd be fine with limited firearms and a rigorous vetting policy to limit guns going to people who clearly shouldn't have one.

No system is perfect, because it's impossible to ban everything that might be used to hurt/kill people obviously. So where you want the line to be is up to you personally. Me, i'd take having limited guns that lack the ability to be used as tools for mass murder in circulation. The world's getting more and more populated, the potential threat of terrorism and violence in any major city is escalating and i'd like for normal citizens to have more than their car keys on hand for when these events do pop up.

Before anybody counter this, I already accept that it's not perfect and there's a trade off. But this is where i'd happily sit on the spectrum of guns and gun ownership.

Edit: In addition to answer your first question the point for me is that it's a personal defence weapon with the capacity to kill an attacker, but without the potential to do anything remotely resembling a mass shooting.

[El Gunner]

But that's a shitty argument Tom. How many people actually walk around and drive around with weapons purely for the reason of defense purposes in their possession. Even if your constitution allows it.

I live in one of the most crime ridden cities in the world yet still I don't see most people doing that.

Fact of the matter is there will always be crime, however the best policy to keep it to a minimum is to have laws such as the UK has it.

[Tomwin Lannister]

Not a shitty argument at all. Take terrorism for example, look at what a few pieces of shit with some big knives managed to do to London recently. I'd prefer to have something on me to stop that. Ffs even our *bleep* cops have to run and cower and wait for the special response team because they're not armed to deal with anything aside from some ASBO types.

Yes there will always be crime, and i'd rather law abiding citizens have a means of protection other than there own two fists, which for most of the targets is absolutely useless.

Grab a big knife and you can wreak havoc here. That's pathetic.

[Freeza]

If some guy ran around shooting for himself while cops were trying to hunt down terrorists, I doubt that would help. No need for the average man to play police officer just because he wants to pet his own frail ego really.

I'd rather the terrorist only have a gun than everyone else have one. Would be a clusterfuc otherwise.

[Tomwin Lannister]

I'd rather our police force in the heart of our capital were equipped to deal with knife wielders tbh but here we are. USA is one extreme, we're the other.

[Freeza]

I'd rather our police force in the heart of our capital were equipped to deal with knife wielders tbh but here we are. USA is one extreme, we're the other.

Don't mind the police wielding guns as long as they equipped to actually take down attackers without killing them.

Shooting your firearm should be such a last resort. In the USA it's a go-to move.

[Tomwin Lannister]

Which is why despite wanting some legal protection for citizens i'm not advocating the American system in any way. Far too many easy to use efficient weapons over there and as a result even cops with no agenda can still be trigger happy. On the flip side I think it's pathetic that even a cop outside Parliament housing most of the countries leading politicians (I.E high profile Targets) had to shout at a man with a knife and ended up getting stabbed, losing his life.

The very same attacker would've met 10x more resistance at an American shopping mall unreal.

[CBarca]

your police not having weapons I do think is a bit ridiculous, and I think it's reasonable they should.

However, the normal person should not have a gun on them. To be fair, there are a couple stories you see every year where someone with concealed carry takes down a baddie and is a hero. Fair enough. However for every event like that, there are 50+ events of someone who shouldn't have a gun killing someone. I remember reading about a person in America who got cut off, drove up next to the person that cut them off on the road, and then shot her and killed her. That's something you don't see in the UK.

It's just best not to have it at all. Take it from an American.

And even with acid attacks and knife attacks--I don't want to downplay how bad they are to be honest. I don't want to say they aren't horrific and need to be addressed, but they aren't on the same scale of what could happen with increased access to guns, even if those guns aren't of a particularly dangerous kind relative to most guns. Guns are on a different scale of power from everything else and they need to be treated as such. That America doesn't is its problem.

however I recognise that there are a lot of assholes out there and a deterrent for the scumbag criminals wanting to jump bystanders is not knowing if they're packing a lethal weapon or not.

Theoretically this is correct.

Experimentally you see what happens in America.

This theory is wrong.

[Myesyats]

Guns dont kill people.

People kill people.

[Mamad]

Money talks. common sense? nah.

[RealGunner]

Guns dont kill people.

People kill people.

nuclear weapons don't kill people.

people kill people


Hence, there should be a free for all nuclear weapon sale everywhere. Right?

[Unique]

I have 7 guns in my house. Went shopping today came back and they hadn’t killed anybody

[BarrileteCosmico]

There are millions of people that own guns in the US. 99.9% of them are well adjusted people that would never harm anyone. The problem is that the 0.1% that are not have the ability to be one man terrorist cells and significantly affect the lives of entire cities.

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