Brazil vs England

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:Imagine Sturridge replacing Welbeck in that line up and another pair of Cbs instead of those scrubs and England would have a really balanced team.

please sturridge is dross

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:Imagine Sturridge replacing Welbeck in that line up and another pair of Cbs instead of those scrubs and England would have a really balanced team.

Definitely. Welbeck looked dreadful on the left. Sturridge could have done a lot of damage with the service he got. Also I think Baines should start over Ashley Cole and that could be a very good team in a years time.

Harry Redknapp wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:How can i have England xenophobia when i'm English?

I'm just not naive to think anything has changed because we won a friendly.

Call me when we actually do something in a major tournament.

yet you wank yourself over France

the last time France weren't EMBARRESSED in a tournament was 2006, and before that 2000.

Well, making the quarters is embarrassing for France NT since we have higher ambitions. Realize that making elimination round for England NT is considered an achievement... just different expectations lol.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

RealGunner wrote:Haven't read the last 8 pages since i just got in. Why the hate towards mole lol ?

Because i said we are average before the game and won't do nothing long term.....

Not my fault i'm the only one who isn't falling for the hype and when we get to a major tournament will be expecting us to flop.

Its called being a realist, no hate just being realistic.

Just asking, but what sort of performance at say the next world cup would get you hyped? Would they have to win it?

I'll answer for Mole... Friendlies mean little. This type of International week especially. Most players played on Sat/Sunday for club, rested on Monday, had one training on Tuesday and then played today. Just doesn't say much.

Also, intensity of official competition is entirely different.

I look for individual performances in Friendly games and overall style. Final result means very little.

WC qualifying games should be the real indicator. England doing ok in Euro should be encouraging as well.

Problem with England currently is that there's only one difference maker: Rooney. To really contend, you need more than that.

Anything Quarter finals and beyond while showing an improvement in style of play from the previous major tournament would please me.

I'm just not ready to get all that excited, too many times i have been burned by this national team and too many times players have been over-hyped and not delivered.

Seen it all before with England and today shows nothing i haven't seen before.

Sorry if i sound very dejected but i'm not prepared to get excited until i see the things i mentioned.

Henderson should start over Cleverboy.....The guy has been a beast since Christmas.

Cahill was solid apart from the mistake the he made.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Anything Quarter finals and beyond while showing an improvement in style of play from the previous major tournament would please me.

I'm just not ready to get all that excited, too many times i have been burned by this national team and too many times players have been over-hyped and not delivered.

Seen it all before with England and today shows nothing i haven't seen before.

Sorry if i sound very dejected but i'm not prepared to get excited until i see the things i mentioned.

Ahh i see.. believe me I know the feeling. USA just lost to Honduras.. And that was a game that actually mattered ... .. Just as their form with klinsmann had gotten my hopes up

If the opponent goes past a full back more than twice, immediate action should be taken.

Walcott loves Barca full backs.

Gil wrote:Where's Moaly btw? Waaaaahh waaaahhhh England don't have Messi Ronaldo and Sissoko.

Support your country ffs.

....so where were you for the U.S game today, then?

Thought England looked very good. Lamps

Dinho's pen

And Gil i was watching the England game, so bore off

There's an already an improvement in the style of play since the Euro's. At the Euro's, we just lined-up in a rigid 4-4-2 and tried to make do with a squad of players where barely anyone was in decent form. It wasn't pretty at all, but we just about achieved what we expected - might have even gone further with a bit of luck.

Since then, we've changed to a 4-2-3-1 and have started using a few new, younger players and are trying to use a more progressive style. It hasn't been ten men behind the ball and hopeless balls forward to a Carroll, Crouch or Heskey.

I know we're just catching up to everyone else, but isn't this a positive thing? How many years have we been asking for the ball to be played on the deck; to move away from the kick and rush and target man? I don't know if Hodgson will continue with this style but I hope he does. It makes watching England a less tiring task.

On the game itself, I don't really care if it was just a friendly. I'm happy we beat a good team and that there are signs of progression since the Euro's, which was my expectations for this team.

Swanhends wrote:

Gil wrote:Where's Moaly btw? Waaaaahh waaaahhhh England don't have Messi Ronaldo and Sissoko.

Support your country ffs.

....so where were you for the U.S game today, then?

Zealous wrote:Thought England looked very good. Lamps

Dinho's pen

One of the biggest jokes on this forum.

Lampard so over the hill its not even funny,good thing Chelsea wont give him another contract, he wouldnt makes the bench for the reserves

This has to be the worst era in Brazils history. They made England look like Spain sometimes, and that in itself is an accomplishment

I wouldn't say Adriano got destroyed at all, there was just one period in the game where Walcott used pure pace to get past him, can't do much against raw pace if you're high up the pitch.

That being said England looked much better than they normally do and got a deserved win. However, this translates into NOTHING because most international teams in friendlies are a completely different beast to the way they perform when it matters.

Italy are pretty poor in frendlies yet they completely turn it around when it comes to the business end. Unfortunately for England it's the complete opposite.

Don't understand how this game "doesn't matter"

First win over Brazil for 20+ years. That alone is a monumental accomplishment for Hodgson. Brazil came into the game with a point to prove, and swiftly had that point shoved up their booty holes. England were being treated like the proverbial lambs to the slaughter. Ray Winstone's floating head came on my TV during half time and told me England were 9/1 to win 2-1

To say this game didn't matter is just plain wrong

I said it b4 and will say it again, Neymar is Robinho V2.

Until he stops the " I am a Hollywood star, and Europe has to wait to see my show" attitude, he is no more than an entertainer.

I think he is not ready for top level football, and on the contrary of public believe I believe it is too LATE for him to come to Europe, he should have arrived before all this hype, at a stage where he would have accepted a small role in a top team and ready to learn, now he thinks he is a super star.......

I don't think it's too late for him but I think you're spot on with the Robinho comparison. I've been saying it too. A bunch of flashy skills in the spacious Brazilian league mean jack sh*t. He has time on his side but people are putting him about 80 places too high in their own personal 'Top forwards' list.

He shouldn't ever be compared to top European players until he proves himself.

I didnt watch the game but don't you think that some of yoi are reading too much into defeating a team with a debutant coach?

TomJuve wrote:I don't think it's too late for him but I think you're spot on with the Robinho comparison. I've been saying it too. A bunch of flashy skills in the spacious Brazilian league mean jack sh*t. He has time on his side but people are putting him about 80 places too high in their own personal 'Top forwards' list.

He shouldn't ever be compared to top European players until he proves himself.

Man I think it is late, do you see him accepting a bench role at any European club, and being integrated gradually to any system, to be criticized, to be subbed on a bad day, etc....

The guy has be blown like a ballon....

I believe Oscar was much smarter, and moved when he should.

You might be right but I reckon his name will get him a starting spot at which ever club buy him . At least for a little while. Then it's make or break. The thing is no matter where he goes he'll have enough wondergoal youtube moments to convince idiots that he's world class. But I can see him being very unreliable and not much use in a scrappy match against a well drilled physical side.


Edit: For me there's 3 Brazilian attacking players I would take over Neymar if I was managing a sugar daddy club. Oscar, Pato and Hulk.

Yes different positions but I rate them all higher as far as attackers go.