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Post by guest7 Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:45 pm

Laughing

THE FAULTS: THEY NEED KAKA AND MARCELO AND HULK
No but honestly Villar was a beast.
I hope Larissa is happy enough to share. Heart
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Post by jibers Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:46 pm

ubelievable, they all missed, dreadfu
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Post by theaguia Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:47 pm

so neymar's dream of winng the ballon have come crashing down
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:47 pm

My sincere apologies to Brazil, you played better through the 120 minutes and only a great Villar kept you out, but I can't deny that I'm happy you lost Smile
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Post by Dnmac4 Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:49 pm

All of you cowards who were killing Argentina last night and today better do the same to Brazil as they were far worse.
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Post by Guiltybystander Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:50 pm

Oh, be sure of it.

Hahahahahahha. Why are we cowards btw?
I hate Brazil anyway.

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Post by rsinatra Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:56 pm

Unlike some people on this forum, I won't try to find excuses. It was simply pathetic. We had all the chances in the world, but bad finishing + awesome defending stopped us.

The penalties? A joke.

Mano? Possibly receivng a goodbye call from Teixeira right now .

Now I hope for a Uruguay x Chile final.

P.S. Argentina, 18 years without any trophies. :lol!:

Now, Neymar, Ganso, Elano, come back to Santos, this is OUR year, let's win the Brasileirao and the CWC!!!
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Post by Dnmac4 Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:56 pm

I just find it cowardly to wait until Messi/Argentina or Ronaldo/Portugal for that matter have a bad showing and kill them for it, and when they have a good showing the same posters hide or make excuses. None of the players on Brazil are worse today then they were yesterday, and Messi is the same player he was before the Copa. This should clue some of these idiots in on how bad coaching can destroy a good group of players.
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Post by guest7 Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:56 pm

Marcelo, Kaka and Hulk would have done a better job. :coffee:
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:57 pm

Great attitude but the Argentina part is unneeded Very Happy
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Post by Albiceleste Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:57 pm

dnmac4 wrote:I just find it cowardly to wait until Messi/Argentina or Ronaldo/Portugal for that matter have a bad showing and kill them for it, and when they have a good showing the same posters hide or make excuses. None of the players on Brazil are worse today then they were yesterday, and Messi is the same player he was before the Copa. This should clue some of these idiots in on how bad coaching can destroy a good group of players.
There are more Messi/Argentina/Barcelona haters than Ronaldo/Brazil/Real Madrid haters. FACT.

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Post by rsinatra Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:58 pm

omarish wrote:Marcelo, Kaka and Hulk would have done a better job. :coffee:

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Post by Ganso Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:58 pm

im actually happy.Menezs can go back to his beloved team,gremio Laughing
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Post by Dnmac4 Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:58 pm

I agree, that still doesn't make it right.
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Post by Ganso Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:59 pm

Guiltybystander wrote:Oh, be sure of it.

Hahahahahahha. Why are we cowards btw?
I hate Brazil anyway.

hate is a strong word
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Post by rsinatra Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:59 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Great attitude but the Argentina part is unneeded Very Happy

well one of your fellow countrymen did suggest football should be renamed trollball
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Post by guest7 Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:00 pm

It should becouse Mano were trolling the brazilian football real bad today
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Post by Jack Daniels Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:01 pm

I merged some threads here..

Rsinatra's thread title may cause sissy girl fights so i included it. albino
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Post by Giovanni10 Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:02 pm

THEY DIDN'T TAKE MARCELO

Yours Sincerely,
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Post by rsinatra Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:03 pm

no problem lol
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Post by M99 Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:50 am

rsinatra wrote:Unlike some people on this forum, I won't try to find excuses. It was simply pathetic. We had all the chances in the world, but bad finishing + awesome defending stopped us.

The penalties? A joke.

Mano? Possibly receivng a goodbye call from Teixeira right now .

Now I hope for a Uruguay x Chile final.

P.S. Argentina, 18 years without any trophies. :lol!:

Now, Neymar, Ganso, Elano, come back to Santos, this is OUR year, let's win the Brasileirao and the CWC!!!

Absolutely, we failed to convert and paid the price. And Mano left out some great players (Hernanes, Hulk, Nilmar etc)
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Post by Giovanni10 Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:11 am

Jack Daniels wrote:I merged some threads here..

Rsinatra's thread title may cause sissy girl fights so i included it. albino

Ugh, I didn't want my thread merged... I wasn't trying to start a sissy-fight. I genuinely wanted to discuss the point about whether Marcelo could have been that little bit of extra flair that Brazil needed? Especially seeing as though Dani Alves was dropped for a more defensive drilled Maicon on the right. Menezes should have just swallowed his pride and called up Marcelo- who (not because Im an RM fan) I feel was the best Left fullback in the business last year.

But as I say, maybe a thread is needed to discuss all the blatant exclusions, that in the end weakened the squad.
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Post by rsinatra Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:46 am

Giovanni10 wrote:
Jack Daniels wrote:I merged some threads here..

Rsinatra's thread title may cause sissy girl fights so i included it. albino

Ugh, I didn't want my thread merged... I wasn't trying to start a sissy-fight. I genuinely wanted to discuss the point about whether Marcelo could have been that little bit of extra flair that Brazil needed? Especially seeing as though Dani Alves was dropped for a more defensive drilled Maicon on the right. Menezes should have just swallowed his pride and called up Marcelo- who (not because Im an RM fan) I feel was the best Left fullback in the business last year.

But as I say, maybe a thread is needed to discuss all the blatant exclusions, that in the end weakened the squad.

Flair? Is that why we lost? Give me a break. Marcelo would've just worsened our leaky defense against Paraguay and Ecuador. But yes, he might've helped us score.
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Post by Giovanni10 Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:22 am

Might've? I think you're underestimating the attacking abilities of Marcelo. Also, Andre Santos' penalty was a shocker, I don't care how bad the pitch was, his technique was all wrong in taking the penalty, it was fluffed dink of sorts.

Now I'm not blaming him for the exit, he actually had a pretty decent tournament and deserved his spot at LB. If I were Menezes I would have had that squad playing a 4-4-2 with a double pivot and dropped Ganso. I know a lot of people out there like Ganso, I do too, but lets be fair- he did not impose himself on the game. Brazil tried to force a formation that relies on a CAM and the CAM did not produce. They should have set up 4-4-2 with wingplay, A left hand-side with Marcelo LW/LM and Andre Santos LB behind him would have been awesome. Pato could have played right side with Maicon. A centre forward like fred in the middle with Neymar in the hole.

The only problem with the 4-4-2, was that the central midfield would have needed to be kept tight and tidy, something that I fear Ramires and Lucas would not have been capable of. Sandro would have been perfect then, but unfortunately got injured.
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Post by rsinatra Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:35 pm

Giovanni10 wrote:Might've? I think you're underestimating the attacking abilities of Marcelo. Also, Andre Santos' penalty was a shocker, I don't care how bad the pitch was, his technique was all wrong in taking the penalty, it was fluffed dink of sorts.

Now I'm not blaming him for the exit, he actually had a pretty decent tournament and deserved his spot at LB. If I were Menezes I would have had that squad playing a 4-4-2 with a double pivot and dropped Ganso. I know a lot of people out there like Ganso, I do too, but lets be fair- he did not impose himself on the game. Brazil tried to force a formation that relies on a CAM and the CAM did not produce. They should have set up 4-4-2 with wingplay, A left hand-side with Marcelo LW/LM and Andre Santos LB behind him would have been awesome. Pato could have played right side with Maicon. A centre forward like fred in the middle with Neymar in the hole.

The only problem with the 4-4-2, was that the central midfield would have needed to be kept tight and tidy, something that I fear Ramires and Lucas would not have been capable of. Sandro would have been perfect then, but unfortunately got injured.

Who is to say Marcelo would've scored that penalty? It's all speculation. Elano is one of the best free kick and penalty takers in that squad, and he missed a penalty too. Who is to say that Marcelo wouldn't flop together with the rest? Marcelo has just started improving last season, and he had his ups and downs. He should've been there as an option, but I'm not going to say he is vital or essential for Brazil because he is not.

Ganso underachieved, yes, but he's gaining experience, and am I wrong or didn't he give like 3 assists? Give him time, our goal is the WC, not this copa américa. Kaká will be like 32 when it comes, who knows how much he'll be able to do at that point. Ganso is 21.
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