Re: Official Zlatan Ibrahimovic Thread

by Mamad Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:34 pm

Ibra is a good individual but he slows teams down. its why they kicked him out of Barca. also his work rate is very bad.

I don't rate him very high.

by Arquitecto Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:22 pm

gondov wrote:I dont rate Ibra that much. He is too slow and I think he will struggle in the EPL for example (he'll be like berbatov- naturally talented but just too lazy and slow).

Falcao, Benzema, RVP, Aguero and even Suarez are ahead of him.

He is just outspoken, does a few tricks now and then, but in the long run I'd take any of these guys ahead of him.

He is the star of the team at PSG atm, but if they wanna win the CL, they'll need better players.

Surely he'll win them the Ligue (thats not very hard imo, even Hazard won his team the French league few seasons ago).

Yet Berbatov actually was a success in the PL with Tottenham and Man UTD. Ferguson simply didn't use him because he favours less technical players with work rate, pace and a designated talent then someone as super technical as Berbatov who despite being successful for United in his apps, just did not fit in the system.

You also forget Ibra never relied on pace in any form as if anything he succeeds against physical and fast teams (in other words BPL teams) as you clearly didn't see how he manhandled both Ferdinand and Terry along with many other teams who have all the trademark requisites of the BPL teams.

He would absolutely dominate the PL.

And no not Falcao, or Benz, or RvP, Suarez, and Aguero haven't proven anywhere near what he has for club and country along with having Ibra's hyper-dimensional skill set and influence for a team.

If you watched Ligue 1 you would commend its progress as being one of the most defensively organized leagues in Europe as the idea that Ligue 1 is a cakewalk is a pure and utter myth. Hazard? What about se Sow, Gervinho, Cabaye, Rami, Debuchy and others? A couple of them didn't disappear in big games like Hazard did.

You also post his stats yet forget to mention his amount of key passes, chances created etc etc. Or the fact that he has literally plays as a Trequartista for 90% of his teams shouldering a lot of creative burden where Goals are an added bonus, Sweden, Milan, Inter you name it. Pep is a master manager yet sadly had the idea Ibra is a typical 9 and when he thrust him there he limited his game severely along with the 2nd half of the season being marred by their conflict. He cannot be judged by his Barca time in any sense at all.

The fact that you rate Rooney, Oezil and Yaya ahead of him and that you rate him with Tevez, Ribery and Co. shows your prejudice for him despite his insurmountable influence for all his teams, creatively and decisively.

I already spoke to you recently that you can be trusted in all your opinions except on Ibra who you have admitted your high disliking for as Alexjanosik (a superb poster) holds the same irrational dislike for him.

Mamad wrote:Ibra is a good individual but he slows teams down. its why they kicked him out of Barca. also his work rate is very bad.

I don't rate him very high.

No, he handed in a transfer request in a transfer request after his conflicts with Guardiola along with continually being implemented completely out of position in a position which also limits all his capabilities.

Slows the team down yet has his team far more decisive and improves every player around him which is more valuable then increasing the pace of play.

by Mamad Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:43 pm

He was benched and if Barca didn't say "hey go we don't need you" was because they paid so much for him and it was kinda bad for them. they treated him like that because they didn't want him.

Not actually. against weaker teams yeah but in hard games against top teams pace is very important and Ibra's skills sometimes become useless.

by CBarca Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:54 pm

If your not counting Ronaldo and Messi as strikers, Ibra is the best striker in the world. And he's certainly one of the best in the world.

His offensive ability in every area is astounding, he makes everything look easy, and he has literally been pretty much THE whole offense of whatever team he's been in, not counting Barca (which as Arq said, was due to Pep and the fact that he didn't fit in the system).

For most teams he is the system Laughing

Great player. I may have exaggerated some points, but so be it Very Happy

by Arquitecto Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:27 pm

Mamad wrote:He was benched and if Barca didn't say "hey go we don't need you" was because they paid so much for him and it was kinda bad for them. they treated him like that because they didn't want him.

Not actually. against weaker teams yeah but in hard games against top teams pace is very important and Ibra's skills sometimes become useless.

You mean pace important against Big teams in PL or in general? That didn't stop him from winning Barca the first classico did it? Or scoring 2 goals against one of the fittest and best teams in the EPL (Arsenal). Ibra actually has pace yet is most of the time either too indifferent to use it or doesn't have the need to. Pace is an important tool yet isn't anywhere near as vital as other requisites needed (which Ibra possesses). Even if he didn't have his rare and purposeful bursts of pace it wouldn't matter since he doesn't use it in his game along with destroying top teams going at his usual trotting pace.

And no, he was benched simply because he fell out with Guardiola. Didn't you hear of the Rossell and Ibra incident? Ibra asked for a transfer to Real Madrid yet Rossell rejected that and gave him the option for Milan to which Ibra accepted. Barca certainly wouldn't sell Ibra for such a loss as despite his poor form in the 2nd half he still managed an output of 22 goals and 13 assists.

The games where he was ineffective literally were during his fallout period with Guardiola which effected his confidence and not to mention that Guardiola played him in a very restricted and limited position.

CBarca wrote:If your not counting Ronaldo and Messi as strikers, Ibra is the best striker in the world. And he's certainly one of the best in the world.

His offensive ability in every area is astounding, he makes everything look easy, and he has literally been pretty much THE whole offense of whatever team he's been in, not counting Barca (which as Arq said, was due to Pep and the fact that he didn't fit in the system).

For most teams he is the system

Great player. I may have exaggerated some points, but so be it

You are not exaggerating at all as it simply describes who he is but I do think its not possible to call him a striker. Off the record I really wish in his career we would see less of the indifferent and non chalant Ibra and more of the pumped up and angry Ibra. The latter's reason is that Ibra is one of those few who performs twice as well when angry or provoked as its an absolute joy to see that for the club fans and neutrals alike. It was a technique Allegri (and his previous managers) used to pump him up pre games.

Which is why the phrase goes: "Zlatan truly is an enigma"

by CBarca Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:37 pm

True, I certainly agree Arq, I was debating whether or not to call him a striker. He's not a striker in the same sense Messi isn't, really.

Almost as good as Modric, that Ibra Laughing

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:41 pm

Ibra was the best player for barca till christmas and messi's subsequent pantie wetting abour playing in the centre restricting ibra.

everybody loves a good history revisionist though

by gondov Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:07 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Ibra was the best player for barca till christmas and messi's subsequent pantie wetting abour playing in the centre restricting ibra.

everybody loves a good history revisionist though

Ibra was a flop for barca, considering what they sacrificed for him (eto'o + cash), paint it anyway you like, he flopped hard.

And about the Messi thing, come back to me when Ibra has actually played in a CL final and scored more than 50 goals a season, then we can discuss.

If its true Messi manipulated Pep to hate Ibra, then kudos to messi. That midget could see the future and knew Barca could do so much more than offer that Ibraimmobile such an important central role.

Cheers Messi, not bad for someone who isn't a coach. Thumbs up

by Le Samourai Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:39 pm

Arq...there are teams in every league which pride themselves on organization. One merely needs to look at teams such as Stoke and Everton or perhaps even the current Asenal to recognize that the virtues of defensive organization permeates even the most primitive and haphazard leagues.

In a natural embryonic process, La Liga and Serie A are tactically advanced...with teams such as Levante, Sevilla and Getafe moving towards creating gap less , space suppressing teams...which creates interesting tactical teams such as Bilbao and Barca which pride themselves on being able to break these units down.

Even now we have Malaga and Atletico who coalesce these philosophies to form pragmatic but beautiful styles of football.

So there are teams in every league that achieve some degree defensive success. Perhaps the team which most encapsulates this in France is Saint Etienne...who despite having one of the thinner squads, has a wonderful manager in Galtier who manages hold it all together.

Yet still France is not some Utopia....not some ideal state where defensive organization is practiced with surgical precision. It's a league like any other.

For every Saint Etienne there is a Bastia
Fore every Marseille there is a Brest.
For every PSG there is a Schoaux
For every Bordeaux there is a Nancy.

And so on.

This balance exists in most leagues ( perhaps teams are more cultured than those of the BPL but that doesn't compensate for a lack of quality. You see it everyday where teams approach Madrid with much superior strategy only to be trounced by quality.

As a league Ligue 1 is starving compared to the major leagues of Europe in terms of talent....and even with the rise of PSG , they're losing talent faster than it's coming in.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:30 pm

gondov wrote:messi is the best bla bla bla ibra doesnt score 50 goals in a season so hes crap bla bla bla if you dont impress at barca ur awful bla bla bla

by FennecFox7 Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:04 pm

ibra is the complete package. Ibra only recently became slow, hellooo, he's in his 30's. Before he was actually fast as frak for a 6'5 guy.

by gondov Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:10 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
gondov wrote:messi is the best bla bla bla ibra doesnt score 50 goals in a season so hes crap bla bla bla if you dont impress at barca ur awful bla bla bla

Very funny!

Why do you try and hide Ibra's indeficiencies by claiming it was only messi's whining and manipulation that caused his downfall at Barca ?

Anyways, Ibra hasn't won anything major apart from a Serie A title, thats just fact.

Claiming he is the 5th best player in the world is just BS. As l mentioned earlier Benzema, Ozil, RVP, Yaya among others are all better atm.

Ibra scores spectacular goals but overall, he is detrimental to your team if you really wanna go for the big prize.

by FennecFox7 Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:15 pm

That's just wrong. I know you want people to say your right gondov, but that's a load of bs. Ibra flopped and has only played good recently in CL for a few reasons

1. Fatigue near the end of the season, reducing his effectiveness.
2. him being man marked out of every game, if it was any other player they would do nothing either

Now, about barca, you really are going to judge him in the 2nd half of the season? In the first half he was excellent, scoring and setting up goals. But he was moved to the wing because messi wanted to play in the center. That's when his performances dropped, not because he can't play wing, but he was pissed off at playing a bitrole for the team. Add to the relationship with pep that ensued, then you have a pissed off player that won't get happier from the looks of it.

If you ever played football, then you'd know morale is a huge factor.

Gerrard hasn't won the EPL. Is he a bad player? By all means no. and like it or not ibra very much contributed to winning la liga and has won far more then serie a

by gondov Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:21 pm

No dude, I watched every Ibra barca game, most Barca fans will tell you- Ibra slowed our game down so much, that it hurt.

Saying "until messi decided", is a load of hater talk.

Pep saw,like everyone else that Ibra wasn't doing well enough for such a key role and it was inevitable, he was going to be displaced by messi. Ibra being Ibra tried to be a d*** about it, with his pride and all.

I never said Ibra was a rubbish player, I'm saying he isn't a top 5 player at all!

Oh and being "man marked", easily is because he is lazy as f***! Thats no excuse.

by Gil Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:21 pm

BEST FKING STRIKER IN THE WORLD!!!!

by Be/\/ceCALI Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:22 pm

agreed

by Valkyrja Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:22 pm

INCREDIBLE :bow:

by LeVersacci Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:23 pm

by dronte Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:24 pm

Gil wrote:BEST FKING STRIKER IN THE WORLD!!!!

by Ganso Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:26 pm

You people need to make your mind up, a few weeks ago I said that Falcao had to be better than Ibra to be considered the best ST in the world and I was eaten alive

by Valkyrja Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:28 pm

Falcao is a poacher, nothing more. Ibra is a genius :bow:

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:31 pm

I have said Ibra is the best striker in the world since Eto'o f*cked off to Russia.

World Class in every sense of the word.

Hopefully the English Media give him some f*cking respect now.

by Be/\/ceCALI Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:33 pm

by Gil Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:41 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I have said Ibra is the best striker in the world since Eto'o f*cked off to Russia.

World Class in every sense of the word.

Hopefully the English Media give him some f*cking respect now.

You're an utter clown. Wasn't Falcao the best striker only a few days ago? Could have sworn I read something like that from you.

by Clockwork Orange Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:50 pm

Gil wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I have said Ibra is the best striker in the world since Eto'o f*cked off to Russia.

World Class in every sense of the word.

Hopefully the English Media give him some f*cking respect now.

You're an utter clown. Wasn't Falcao the best striker only a few days ago? Could have sworn I read something like that from you.

I suppose Torres is in your eyes. You are eaily one of the worst and most ill informed posters here. Athletico Madrid swap Falcao for that joke of a striker?

rofl

by Gil Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:53 pm

Clockwork Orange wrote:
Gil wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I have said Ibra is the best striker in the world since Eto'o f*cked off to Russia.

World Class in every sense of the word.

Hopefully the English Media give him some f*cking respect now.

You're an utter clown. Wasn't Falcao the best striker only a few days ago? Could have sworn I read something like that from you.

I suppose Torres is in your eyes. You are eaily one of the worst and most ill informed posters here. Athletico Madrid swap Falcao for that joke of a striker?

Who are you?

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