Re: NFL Thread

by stevieg8 Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:06 pm

Defense is incredibly tactical. It requires reading the game situation (downs and distance, score, and time left) to call appropriate plays by the coordinator, and then each player on the defense needs to be able to read the offensive set up and make quick judgments (run vs. pass, which direction the play will go, movement of blockers, etc.) on the basis of game film and the arrangement of the offense before the snap. After the snap, each player needs to fulfill their assignment, which could differ based on zone vs. man coverage systems, different rush systems and blitz packages, etc.

That's why you don't get a good idea of NFL defense from Madden... it's very team oriented, and any individual blowing coverage can result in a broken play; when you can only control one of the defenders, you don't get a very good picture of how playing defense works.

by LeSwagg James Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:12 am

Oh, got it... American Football is just a little too slow paced for me, too many breaks in action

by dmize Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:30 am

Yeah you read the down and yardage. Like 3rd and long is almost always a pass play, so a man blitz or just zone coverage is common. But say a team lines up in like a 3-4 cover 1(3 lineman, 4 LBs, only 1 safety playing zone) and the other team comes out with 3/4 WR's, you just audible and change the formation. This is why disguising your defense is so important in the NFL. Make it obvious what you're doing, you'll get killed.

by dmize Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:40 am

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/712038/4

Pretty good I think hmm

AD, Rodgers, CJ2K, Run DMc

only 3 more days

by dmize Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:25 am

Watching college football and this freshman QB for Florida State Jameis Winston looks like the real deal. He went 25/27 358 yards 4 TDs.

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This guy Jameis Winston made me a believer after 1 half of football

People are comparing him to Charlie Ward already because of the FSU and 2 sport connection. He's not the runner Ward was but might be a better passer.

by dmize Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:02 am

Peyton fn Manning

27/42 462 yards 7(!!!) Touchdowns, no picks

7 TDs ties the NFL record
What a performance :bow:

by CBarca Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:25 am

dmize wrote:Peyton fn Manning

27/42 462 yards 7(!!!) Touchdowns, no picks

7 TDs ties the NFL record
What a performance

Matt Flynn has made 6 TD's in a game hmm

Peyton is slightly better than Matt Flynn hmm

by dmize Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:12 pm

You mean that guy that couldn't even beat out Terrelle Pryor for the Raiders starting job Cool

That was in week 17 and both the Lions and Packers fate was decided, ie preseason basically. Threw a pick as well.

Throwing 7 TDs against the Ravens D >>>

Ravens had never given up that many points before.

edit: real glad I sat Baltimores D on fantasy and started Indy against Oakland.

by dmize Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:17 pm

Adrian Peterson takes his first carry 78 yards for a TD Shocked

He's going for 2500 yards this year

by Guest Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:46 pm

Wolverine! I'll have to find a way to check out the highlights. I just know that some of my neighbors are having a grand ol' time watching a game.

by dmize Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:52 pm

He's a beast.

I'm watching Jets Bucs and Geno Smith has looked alright. Made a couple bad throws but he also just had a 5/5 TD drive. The potential is there.

Hopefully the Sanchez era is over now.

edit: Packers-49ers afterward cheers

by CBarca Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:23 pm

Oh I know Dmize, I'm just fooling around Laughing

by dmize Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:27 pm

Geno Smith 1-0 :bow:

led two drives late in the 4th quarter to give us the lead. After the first our defense gave up the lead, then a GW drive after a dumb penalty on TB.

Patriots won a last second FG also. Jets-Patriots on Thursday. If we don't get destroyed it will be a win.

by Raptorgunner Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:39 pm

by dmize Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:12 am

by dmize Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:34 am

Jets got robbed. Defense holds the Pats to 13 points, but two game changing calls went against us. The Gates TD where you could never actually see the ball hit the ground, while it may have been incomplete the evidence wasn't there to overturn. And then the blatant Edelman fumble that was called an incompletion even though he took 2 steps and brought the ball to his chest. SMH now I know how the Raiders felt in 01.

by Guest Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:01 am

I feel your pain (or you feel mine) - I was a huge Raiders fan during those times and that game hurt big time.

How do you feel about Geno Smith? My boy was knocking him a bit, however I don't really rate his NFL knowledge.

by dmize Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:20 pm

ranDOM 10 wrote:I feel your pain (or you feel mine) - I was a huge Raiders fan during those times and that game hurt big time.

How do you feel about Geno Smith? My boy was knocking him a bit, however I don't really rate his NFL knowledge.

Was that '01 or '02, not sure off the top of my head.

I think he's done reasonably well so far. If he had receivers that could catch he would've looked a lot better last night. Gates, Hill, let him down big time. Holmes was the only one catching the ball consistently. One thing I noticed like 3 passes into the TB game is that he's infinitely more accurate than Sanchez. For 3 quarters he didn't turn the ball over. And I didn't see 1 of the interceptions but the 2 I saw. One was a deflection that should've been caught I believe. The other was on their last drive with him trying to force it.

I thought the playcalling sucked though. Our running game is working(unlike last week), so why have your rookie QB throw the ball 35 times on the road. Ivory 12 carries, 52 yards... why not give him more carries...

Stephen Hill is a great physical talent(like Randy Moss type size/speed 4'3 40 at 6'4), but until he starts fighting for the ball and catching it consistently he won't move forward. Look at Fitz, anytime a ball is in his vicinity he's going to outjump the defender to the ball. Good receivers attack the ball...

TLDR: I think Geno's already shown to be more accurate and more poised than Sanchez. Better arm, can actually move outside the pocket. He doesn't get rattled(maybe to a fault?). For 3 quarters he didn't turn the ball over and he did throw for 200+ yards again. 450 yards is like 4 games for Sanchez.

by CBarca Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:14 am

OK this may be ignorance speaking (isn't it always when I discuss the NFL?), but how does a game with a bazillion (actual term for the amount) refs, challenges, and video replay manage to have f*ck ups like we do in actual football?

I don't mean that to piss on the NFL or anything, I'm just curious. Are the rules just really that specific or is it just hard to get it right sometimes even with video replays?

by dmize Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:01 am

Great question honestly.

Part of it(maybe a lot of it) has to do all the different intricacies in American football. In normal football, there's not as many plays during a match that come into question. Goal line obviously, offsides, and a few others.

In the NFL, there's yardage reviews like first downs, fumble or not, catch or incomplete, in bounds or not, whether the ball crossed the goal line, etc

To answer your last question
For the most part they are pretty good with calls on the field. But the challenge/review process is a little weird. It favors the original call on the field. Like if there was a pass ruled complete originally but it seems obvious the player had the ball hit the ground. Unless they can actually see it hit the ground on one of the cameras, they will confirm the original call. Or if it's too close to tell on a goal line play or something, they stick with the original call.

by dmize Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:04 am

Geno Smith = the real deal

NFL Thread - Page 20 Geno-to-santonio-jets-bills-1

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000248819/Holmes-69-yard-TD-reception

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000248624/Hill-51-yard-TD-reception

329 yards 3 total TDs

by CBarca Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:13 am

Packers - Bengals game was terrible.

Two teams taking turns trying to throw the game. People are going to be so mad at school tomorrow Laughing

Jordy Nelson though...when was the last time he dropped a pass?

by dmize Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:18 am

I didn't see the game but idk what's up with Green Bay. Turned the ball over 4 times and Rodgers had an off game. Jermichael Finley was hurt too.

I have Rodgers on my fantasy team so I want to see him/them do well.

by LeSwagg James Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:50 am

Why do QB's get credit for yards after a catch? Doesn't make sense at all.. If you throw it 10 yards but the WR breaks through and goes for another 80, you should only get 10 yards passing :coffee:

by dmize Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:31 am

dmize wrote:And the Colts aren't keeping the training wheels on him like RG3, he's throwing 50 times a game and still winning. 20% of RG3's passes are behind the line of scrimmage(most in the league), they essentially run a gimmick offense that will be found out sooner or later(they line up in a NFL modified option 75% of the time). All his throws are basic 1 read throws, where if it's not there he checks down or takes off. Granted, that's mostly on coaching, and it's been a good formula so far. Some may disagree, but I think he's a great football player, not yet a great QB/passer.

The read option has been adjusted to by NFL defenses, it just took a while. Redskins 0-3, Kaepernick looked horrible today.

RG3 is going to be very good regardless but the Redskins need a new formula.

by VendettaRed07 Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:09 am

l hope the Giants select someone good when we get the number 1 over all pick

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