Re: The Official Real Madrid 21-22 Match Day Thread

by sportsczy Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:27 am

To debunk some factual mistakes...

Hazard was already signed with Real Madrid before Zidane returned in 2019. You can't say that Real Madrid expected Lopotegui (and then Solari) to get fired and signed Hazard while awaiting Zidane. That would be ridiculous.

Also, Zidane recommended Hazard... when he was with Lille. He wanted us to buy him then. His job at Real Madrid at the time was to make player recommendations from France and Italy.

And no, Perez is not doing his part. There are other players in between Haaland/Mbappe... to toddlers from Brazil. For example (because I follow home), Kolo Muani would be a nice signing. Not a superstar by any means. But checks a lot of boxes we need in that support role on the attack AND is very good. Players like that.

by halamadrid2 Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:33 am

It was a known fact that Zidane came back with strings attached. He left the first time because he thought the squad was done. We got him his players in order to sign him the second time. We even signed Jovic because of him who was known for his terrible work ethic. Our biggest mistake was getting ZZ these players instead of trusting our scout Calafat

by Perucho21 Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:33 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:You can blame Perez all you like but he got Zidane a LB when we already had one who was doing really well for us. He got Zidane Hazard desite our club never having serious interest in him. He got Tchouameni who is being terribly coached on his defensive positioning. He got Rudiger who has been decent. We are now in for Bellingham and offered 200 ME for Mbapay.

Perez is doing his part. When Zidane benched Marcelo Perez didn't say a thing. When Mourinho benched Iker, Perez didn't say a thing. He wouldn't say anything if Carlo benched Kroos/Modric/Dani etc. Carlo wanted attackers but the club told him to utilise the players at his disposal because what's the point if this new attacker will only get 5 minutes here or there with Carlo prefering crooked Benzema instead.

Yes we need new players but we don't have unlimited money. We have to start trusting our youth. Tobias hasn't had a single minute even in the CDR, Arribas is dominating for Castilla but hasn't had a single minute for Carlo after playing alot for ZZ.

There are 6 or so contracts that expire this summer. I'd only renew Modric, Ceballos and Nacho.

We need two new fullbacks but the LB spot is more critical because that's were our threat comes from. Also we desperately need a new RW. I am seeing alarming news that we want to bring Diaz back for that spot. Boy isn't even better than Asensio. We'll shoehorn Valverde there in yet another season because the alternatives are so bad.

I can see your point Hala, but im not asking for big money signings.

Lets be honest, do we seriously need Bellingham? What does he offer that Cama, Fede, Tchou and Ceballos do not? I mean don't get me wrong, great player but the reality is that he's the least of our worries. Our midfield is pretty set imo. Extending Ceballos needs to be a priority, and you can add a mid like Zubimendi to add depth. You can extend Modric and Kroos but if i were Perez i would straight up tell them you will no longer be starters as we wish to begin to transition. If they don't like that well tough luck thanks for all the great years but its time. We are too scared to "disgrace" our legends there is nothing disgraceful about this. If your time is up, its up. And like I said, Carlo, Perez not even Modric and Kroos themselves have the balls to admit their time is up. Like it's amazing to me that for THREE STRAIGHT CLASICOs both get overrun by average midfielders. They can get away with it against shitty midfields like Liverpool but Barca have much more technical and physical midfielders, as do Chelsea, City, Bayern. But dont worry, Carlo wont change a thing.

What is really concerning is our fullback positions and the RW. All three have been empty holes. Like I said, I dont mind Carvajal and Mendy but have a DECENT BACKUP when they dont play well or injured. Your backup RB is a makeshift RB. the other one doesnt exist anymore and the one that the board says "we have full confidence on his future" has a GRAND TOTAL OF 0 MINUTES WITH THE SENIOR TEAM. Tell me what was the negative of bringing Cancelo for 6 months? there are no negatives on that deal. If you dont like him then don't exercise the buy option. That simple. Gusto has been signed, Porro has been signed. No one else left and that is the boards fault yet again. "oh but we dont want to hurt Lucas and Dani's feelings if we buy a RB" who fucking cares about feelings. This isn't a therapy session. This is business. Sell Odriozola, buy out contracts I don't care what you do but make space for a RB.

Leftback, again same situation. You only have 1 TRUE LB who everyone knows is injury prone and his form is hot and cold, but you dont sign a backup?!? "dont worry 30 yr old and someone who has ADMITTED TO THE PRESS that he doesn't want to play LB, can play LB" "oh but we have 35 year old Nacho who can do well against shit La Liga sides but gets torched by decent wingers" "but WAIT, we also have Camavinga that can play there!!" enough with this BS. Im glad we got Fran because hes an actual fullback and we stop with these stupid ideas to play players out of position. But watch the club never play Fran (possibly even sell for a profit to sign Mbappe) and resort Cama at LB again.

RW i mean there's not much that needs to be said. Fede is not a RW. Teams literally ignore our right side because they know we have nothing to offer there. Last summer, Gnabry, Mahrez, Sane, Mane, Salah, Jesus were at one point all AVAILABLE and you guessed it.... Papa perez said "nope we are good with Fede and Rodrygo playing out of position for our RW, oh and you forgot Asensio!!"

Oh and no backup striker and foolishly believing 36 yr old Benzema was going to have another monstrous. But do not fret everyone!!!! Our future ST isnt even old enough to order a drink and hes coming in 2 years!!!! Hes our Benz replacement!!

Like I said, I fully expect nothing to be done this summer. If perez thinks its a good idea to extend Brahim, let asensio go and sign no one for RW then hes lost it. Lets face it hes only focused on brazilian teenagers and the superleague. The ESL is done and dusted, its never happening. Focus on the team NOW.

by halamadrid2 Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:43 pm

Karim Benzema is still suffering from his ankle issue. He is not near 100%. He feels discomfort game after game. @abc_es pic.twitter.com/iC1i8aoKtc
— Madrid Xtra (@MadridXtra) March 20, 2023

Ridiculous that he's still playing. He must be high on painkillers

by titosantill Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:58 pm

I have to give major props to him, I have often felt like he missed out of the world cup because of us. Everytime he got injured in the last few seasons, especially after the pandemic, he rushed himself back. I remember he wasn't even close to 100 percent before the psg second leg. I get he wants to play but for his own personal life, he needs to let his body really heal. At least he isn't 23 rushing back to fitness, he has had a 15 plus years career

by halamadrid2 Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:45 pm

Ffs Potter sacked. Why couldn't they sack him after our game

by halamadrid2 Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:53 pm

We are so bad when we start Kroos and Modric together. How can Carlo not see this.

Valverde is having a terrible game too.

Cama :bow:

by futbol_bill Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:51 pm

Carlo having the last laugh!

by halamadrid2 Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:56 pm

Terrific second half. Fear we'll see Kroos-Modric against Chlesea too. Their players are going to look like Usain Bolts next to our midfied.

Camavinga who hates being a LB is a much better LB than Mendy.

by Perucho21 Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:47 am

Ramadan needs to be year long

by Turok_TTZ Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:55 am

I am most pleased. If we win cdr minimum, Carlo next season is all but guaranteed. This year we were just unlucky in the league. That and some brain farts. We cant be always winning.

Benzema 10/10 would save replay for reference on a captain's performance. Just in time too. We could still very we defend the cl title once again. Our men need to grit their teeth and get business handled. Our enemies won't hand the titles to us for free, we must pry victories from their cold, lifeless hands.

Dunno about yall but the media rags linking us with pocheshittno makes me physically ill. Exactly what has this loser accomplished that he is worthy of coaching this great team? Luciano spalletti has a much better cv and he actually has titles to his belt that weren't gift wrapped for him.

Rather bring Schuster back or give a shot to Raul, xabi, or arbeloa. With all the talk of Brazil nt. I understand the rags want to print papers and drama but pocheshittno? Really?

Rather give rafa Benitez a 2nd chance before even entertaining that argentine loser. I'll even entertain that Italian chump Conte even though he's a tactical nitwit.

by halamadrid2 Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:32 am

Yh I am not impressed with the links to Pochettino. It will be a step in the wrong direction imo. I hope we aren't that stupid, we are going to add him to the long list of coaches who's got sacked midseason.

We should replace Carlo with Zidane imo and then Xabi/Raul whoever is more ready

by Perucho21 Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:11 pm

Poch is not that bad. He gets a bad rep for small reasons.

Zidane wont be back anytime soon.

Im fine with either Raul or Xabi

by futbol_bill Thu Apr 06, 2023 5:19 pm

Carlo isn’t going anywhere. It’s the same people with stories about Poch etc that are still saying Flo will be signing Mbappe and Haaland!

by halamadrid2 Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:10 pm

At the same time, at this point in his career coaching NT is probably better for him and his health. A position like that doesn't come around twice and with Carlo having coached nearly half the starting XI he'd be a fool to turn it down. He's won everything there is to win on club level. His son is close to joining Basel as his first managerial post.

I don't know, he looks closer to leaving than staying imo.

by Perucho21 Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:27 pm

The Brazil PR is in full swing. I think he's leaving regardless of what happens.

by Turok_TTZ Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:48 pm

Perucho21 wrote:Poch is not that bad. He gets a bad rep for small reasons.

Zidane wont be back anytime soon.

Im fine with either Raul or Xabi

I'm still waiting to hear the reasons why he is good.

I've heard some buzzwords related to this clown. "A Progressive Manger", "a coach with modern tactics."

wtf does that even mean? Is being a progressive manager or using modern tactics an alternative to winning tactics? Being a winning manager? Because based on what hes accomplished from what I've observed of this clown, a winning manager he ie not.. I've seen mourinho, Benitez, Ranieri teams with more life than this chump.

Biggest lie going on with him is calling him an attacking coach. Pocheshittno is a defensive coach. Make no mistake about that. A loser who relies on a possession based system at the cost of the finer points of attacking footy and compromising mid and backline to achieve a 3/10 atk footy has no place here. Especially when the real madrid way has been one of balance. Nvm his shitty man management, idiot Mauricio would upset our balance.

The only reason I can think of why Mauricio just this: of out all the possible candidates. He is by far the easiest to fire and scapegoat. Arbeloa, Raul, Xabi are all former players who achieved greatness with us. They got a line of credit. Nagelsmann man management a bit suspect but unlike poor poch he got titles and this season he has won most if not all the big games in the cl. He also has an excellent record against barcelona in which no doubt is thanks to his tactical acumen.

Tuchel before he got snapped up by bayern got league titles and cl. At the very minimum he has the necessary qualifications to not be questioned for at least until season end.

Conte who is a retard btw at minimum has won league titles in two different countries so while his continental performance is much like juventus continental history: abysmal and joke tier, he is a proven winner even If it's only league titles.

What does that loser pocheshittno got? He has no serious titles bar uber eats .he has no history with us. He was an irrelevant player. And he shown he was way out of his depth at psg and is a proven big game choker. But despite all of this people still rate the poor fool? How?

Guy is Benitez 2.0 waiting to happen. And that's all he's good for tbh. Sign him up only to fire the idiot for being an idiot by having us out of the top 4 by december and losing el clasico because xavi >>>>> idiot Mauricio and thus expectations and pressure will be easier for whoever is replacing the Fool aka arbeloa, raul, xabi, etc. Absolutely no one would bat an eye or feel sorry for Mauricio pocheshittno if he were to bottle the job. No one will defend him either. And florentino will win free pr by firing him early. By far the easiest to fire and scapegoat.

Hence Benitez 2.0. Which is sad because while I didn't like Benitez, I didn't want him to fail as he was one of our own but... in the end he too was out of his depth and tactically his time was long gone.

I see no reason for Carlo to leave. He rarely breaks his word. If he said he is going to stay as long as we want him to, He will stay. International footy never really interested Don Carlo. You guys really think he will coach brazil before Italy? If he were to make the jump, he would have done so a long time ago. Carlo prefers club footy.

by futbol_bill Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:21 pm

Seeing the club’s interest in returning managers, maybe Lopetequi or Pelli could be bought. Both IMO weren’t given a fair shot and did well elsewhere. You could argue against Lope for this season, but the subsequent coaching change has shown issue was Monchi off season performance not the coach.

They probably won’t be considered, but I would rank them higher than people like Poch!

Raul, Guti and Arbeloa don’t have enough experience and in Raul’s case, no results. His Castilla still remains way off the top of a third level futbol liga. Xabi however does have some experience and has had results. (I like to remind everyone that I years ago predicted he would make the better coach as he was practically a playing coach in most of his time here). However I would prefer to wait another couple of years for him.

I still say however, Carlo will win another CL and will be here for next season.

by halamadrid2 Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:43 pm

Raul has turned down coaching roles in order to remain at RM. And where did you get that they are "way off the pace" from? Castilla are 2nd, 2 points behind Alcorcon who are on a winless run right now.

Getting Pelle or Lope would be like taking a million steps back after having it so great with Carlo and ZZ.

Xabi is probably the best choice out there not named Zidane. Would be interesting to see what ideas Raul brings if we are starting from scratch without our veterans and he'd bring along alot of Castilla players who deserve to be part of the first team.

by futbol_bill Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:08 pm

That (Castilla’s ranking) is a big surprise to me. Last time I checked they were a way down!

I don’t expect Lopetequi nor Pelle to be approached, but in my opinion, they both are better and have accomplished more than either Pochettino or Nagelsmann.

However, i still believe Carlo will be back next year.

Perhaps when he does leave, Raul or Xabi will be ready! I do think Raul would develop better if he told a higher level job elsewhere. But Zidane, Guardiola and Luis Enrique all made the jump successfully so why not Raul.

by futbol_bill Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:58 pm

Do you guys even listen to Carlo’s words when speaking about all these rumors of Brazil, Chelsea etc?

Of course not, you lot prefer to jump on the propaganda and take these rumors as truth!

by futbol_bill Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:27 pm

Speaking about propaganda, some media are now saying Haaland is already committed to Madrid and they are closing in on a commitment with Mbappe!!

What a bunch of bullshit! And for sure some of you will buy into this, just as you have re Carlo leaving!

Might as well add Birmingham to list as well.

First question to ask is where will they play.

Haaland has already said he won’t come to be a backup to Benz and Benz isn’t going anywhere yet!

Mbappe was reported by Sports would insist on playing LW, but don’t we already have that spot covered? Oh but he can play centrally, which is already covered with Benz, Rodrygo and according to these stories Haaland.
And wasn’t there an agreement with the signing of Endick that club would keep the CF position open for him when he comes! I’m not sure exactly what that agreement was, but I believe club won’t sign either of the two!

And with Birmingham, he is a star, but how would he improve and already crowded midfield and who would have to leave?

It seems to me the media and some fans think that every emerging star, will be coming to Madrid!

All this is ignoring what the current squad and coach are accomplishing. Already have 5 of past 10 Cl titles and on the way to 6th ( 13 overall in CL history) - nearest rival is way down at 7.

This club does not need a major overall as several are saying. What it needs are fullbacks, a RW and a solid backup to Benz. The least of the needs are where these 3 superstars play!

And while I’m ranting let me add coach. Why replace the best coach out there. Oh I forgot, because he plays his established players too much!

by Clutch Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:35 pm

Who said nacho a better defender than Mendy Laughing

by halamadrid2 Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:15 pm

Nacho sent back to planet pluto. Chuck absolutely destroyed him. It was sad to see.

What are the defensive qualities Tchouaméni was known for at Monaco? I don't see any of it. We need to put Camavinga there permanently. Carlo also sees to not rate Tcho right now.

Vini is in an amazing form. Hoping he keeps it up until the end of the season. This team offensively is basically Vini + Benz + occasionally Modric. Everyone else has their moments but very little consistency.

How much patience will we have with Rodrygo before we come to a general consensus that he is merely a supersub

by futbol_bill Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:26 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:Nacho sent back to planet pluto. Chuck absolutely destroyed him. It was sad to see.

What are the defensive qualities Tchouaméni was known for at Monaco? I don't see any of it. We need to put Camavinga there permanently. Carlo also sees to not rate Tcho right now.

Vini is in an amazing form. Hoping he keeps it up until the end of the season. This team offensively is basically Vini + Benz + occasionally Modric. Everyone else has their moments but very little consistency.

How much patience will we have with Rodrygo before we come to a general consensus that he is merely a supersub

I came to that conclusion months ago plus I would use the adjective super!

Pretty obvious Carlo is just playing out liga season. Badnight for Nacho, Alaba, Tchouameni, Ceballos, Rodrigo.

But you lot asked for this! Don’t start Kroos and Modric!!

by halamadrid2 Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:37 pm

Yes exactly don't start Kroos +Modric. Nobody said change 70% of the team hmm

Anyways, at this point we have to make our mind up is Tchouaméni going to be our CDM or Camavinga because Tchouaméni seems to be frozen out in the big games and Camavinga is usually needed everywhere but CDM. With how Nacho played today i think we can safely say that Camavinga will play LB against Chelsea.

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