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Post by Babun Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:40 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Rashford and Sancho literally had 1 job...

I disagree. Southgate didn't give them any meaningful minutes the whole tournament then they were introduced in the last 2 minutes to shoot penalties, both also very young. Most of the footballers convert their pens 9/10 times in training. They weren't warm, didn't feel like a proper part of the team, insecure. I mean why were n3, n4 and n5 so young? Doesn't make sense. Also, what were Sterling and the other senior members doing? It's easy to blame the two.

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Post by Guest Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:42 pm

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El Gunner wrote:Trashford's penalty was easily the worst... that's what you get for wanting to stunt too much. Saka and Sanshit were just nervous taking theirs... you can understand that, they're still young and have the hopes of the country hanging on them in Wembley


i guess southgate will be looking at that england didnt even need to play to bring it upto pk they had more arsenal than italy to win. not just in fisrt 11 but also in bench.

they only started coming out it seems at the very end of 90 mins and in ET.

also that sub that gareth made to bring players for pk prep was a bad thing because i think everyone is correct when it comes to more senior more experience players taking pk first than the young ones

Southgate is the opposite of Hjulmand. He's like Pep who's reluctant to sub many players, always have to have a spare sub in the end. Penalty shootout is more about luck though. If Rashford scored there we might have different discussion. Like LVG subbing Krul in 2014. But, putting Saka as the 5th kicker is certainly a terrible decision.

i still dont undertand its like 85 mins and his team is still sitting deep! it was not until the very end of 90 min game that he pushed his team forward...
yea pk is luck, it could have gone either way. but it was clear that italy was the best team in attack and they made more chances had more shots than england

for a quality of england and depth they had .... 6 shots just 2 shots on goal and dragging this team to play upto pk... i dont know ok .. so southgate may be like that i dont understand why his assistant coaches pushed him to play a bit agreesive. surely he worked on second half of ET... they looked more threat.

hjumlmand in his defense doesnt have a depth and quality that southgate had in his disposal. i still thikn though Hjulmand made denmark toothless by not bringing cornelius and skov olsen instead and bringing too many players to put workrate and defense but i understand that he has a lot less to work around with.

england has crazy depth.. i mean their sub has quality to starting 11 and win it ... italy in almost player to player arent the best against england

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Post by Thimmy Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:42 pm

Sterling's a senior member at 26, but Rashford's a baby at 3 months away from 24? hmm
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Post by Freeza Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:43 pm

Really happy with this win. Spent all day cheering on Italy in my Atalanta shirt
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Post by El Gunner Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:43 pm

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El Gunner wrote:Trashford's penalty was easily the worst... that's what you get for wanting to stunt too much. Saka and Sanshit were just nervous taking theirs... you can understand that, they're still young and have the hopes of the country hanging on them in Wembley

You criticise Rashford's PK but side stepped both Sancho's and Saka's effort who actually hit it much worse (mid height pks are perfect for goalies)?

Anyway, to all the British lads here, tough loss gents. Honestly a tough one to swallow.

not sidestepping as i mentioned those were both very clear nervous penalties, just calling out the one which i deem to be the worse penalty, that's all.
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Post by Robespierre Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:44 pm

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I think Pickford had a great tournament as well. He kept England in the match with some excellent saves and in the penalties as well. Fully justified his place.


Yes, ok , but except for the Euro he's average.
Donnarumma was top class before and he confirmed it. Next Buffon.
He's probably the real Italian star.


I know you are just rubbing that last part in Laughing


Seriously not, he's surely a top player of internationa lelvel

yes I love him at this moment

( anyway even you recognize he's top . Main reason why you are back at CL . But he's also a scumbag as person , that's true, your grudge is understandable)


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Post by farfan Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:44 pm

Arquitecto wrote:Pickford was better today in penalties given he is considerably small than Rupeerumma, way less talented and had way less pressure.

Bless him and I hope he recovers.


Felt sorry for him.

He was singled out as the weakest link throughout the tournament but ended up stepping up when it mattered most.
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Post by rincon Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:44 pm

Robespierre wrote:CAMPIONI D'EUROPE for 2nd time after 1968 !!!!!!!
CAMPIONI Proud Proud Proud Proud
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Post by Arquitecto Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:44 pm

Thimmy wrote:Sterling's a senior member at 26, but Rashford's a baby at 3 months away from 24? hmm



tbh in the end

im baby.
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Post by Guest Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:44 pm

Arquitecto wrote:Still in too much disbelief to give my thoughts but:

Blaming one penalty or another is pointless unless one skys it to which I still dont see how some do it.

Rashford is a great penalty taker and has come in important moments but tried to be cute with a guy who's been saving penalties literally since he was 16 in top-flight football.


Being in front of 90k roaring English hopefuls doesnt help. He's still a baby.


Penalties are potluck shot anyway even if the odds were against Italy given the two in a row record and all their best penalty takers out.


i think more southgate than rashford ...
though rashford pk was poor but we can say same thing about belotti lol

i still have found tihs hard that england has just 6 shots and 2 shot on goal the entire game and dragged italy to bring it to pk...

if anything italy actually played like england should have

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Post by Warrior Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:45 pm

My city has big italian diaspora. I could hear them honking from my place, happy for them

Football is better when italy is good. England are fine seconds.
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Post by Guest Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:45 pm

rincon wrote:
Robespierre wrote:CAMPIONI D'EUROPE for 2nd time after 1968 !!!!!!!
CAMPIONI Proud Proud Proud Proud


yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay happy serie a fans! lets hug it out .... !
spare us some slack about the whole dolllarumma debacle for sometime in distant future plz ... XD

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Post by farfan Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:45 pm

Congrats Robes btw.

Now Italy moves ahead of France in the Euro rankings ( 2 titles, 2 runner-ups). Mad
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Post by Babun Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:46 pm

Thimmy wrote:Sterling's a senior member at 26, but Rashford's a baby at 3 months away from 24? hmm

He is part of the 11 who brought England to the final. There's a majour psychological effect of togetherness in tough times which makes people in groups stronger. As soon as those two came on, I made a joke they'd miss their penalties and they did.
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Post by Arquitecto Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:47 pm

And also want to congratulate Robespierre and my Rincon. Rincon who is the more ardent and positive supporter, this hopefully makes up for that Juve CL final loss my friend enjoy this win its set in history.
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Post by Guest Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:47 pm

Freeza wrote:Really happy with this win. Spent all day cheering on Italy in my Atalanta shirt

maele shirt??? XD
we got something for u guys after Denmark game ^O^ and Denmark has ever reason to be proud.. they did the unexpected!

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Post by McLewis Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:47 pm

I will never understand how more of the senior players in this English team didn't step up. Stones and Sterling, in particularly, should be taking these.

Saka and Sancho are gonna get torn apart by the media and fans, but they stepped up when more experienced players didn't. That's commendable no matter how bad their penalties were.
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Post by Robespierre Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:48 pm

rincon wrote:
Robespierre wrote:CAMPIONI D'EUROPE for 2nd time after 1968 !!!!!!!
CAMPIONI Proud Proud Proud Proud

We got this Rincon Proud Proud Proud

I'd like to be again 16 years for celebrating the whole night and especially no covid risk and free hugs with anyone for climbing in the wagons, but  anyway I'm going to organize me for going at the square soon


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Post by Arquitecto Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:48 pm

This Italy win was huge because Italy needed to catch up to Germany who has 3 Euro wins, then France with 2 so now 4 World Cups and 2 Euros looks way way better then just that one Euro in 1968 to which was so far back its irrelevant.
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Post by rincon Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:49 pm

Started with a -1 goal handicap from minute 2 playing a final as an away team and came back to win it.

Bonucci's goal released so much pressure, before it was the most tense 60 minutes in a long time. The team was playing wonderfully, fully deserved, should have won it in 90 minutes but England was brilliant in defense and Chiesa went off injured.

Love this team. So likeable, so much enthusiasm. Love Spinazzola, love Chiellini, love Bonucci, love Chiesa, love Donnarumma, love Jorginho, and most of all love Mancini.

Seeing Mancini in tears for winning was everything. The man that missed the nazionale as a players and has always expressed his love for it, always trying to get the top job as a manager for years.


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Post by Guest Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:49 pm

McLewis wrote:I will never understand how more of the senior players in this English team didn't step up. Stones and Sterling, in particularly, should be taking these.

Saka and Sancho are gonna get torn apart by the media and fans, but they stepped up when more experienced players didn't. That's commendable no matter how bad their penalties.


this is why i can defend english players ...
not english media... they put unnecessary pressure

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Post by Arquitecto Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:50 pm

Robespierre wrote:Roberto Mancini, manager of my club during my High School years, look into my eyes


Comment of the thread.

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Post by Arquitecto Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:50 pm

Sidenote Bonucci has been the best CB of the tournament and its not even close. Man was fucking perfect. Yes and above even Cheillini this time.

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Post by McLewis Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:51 pm

On the other end, my goodness Donnarumma was masterful. The reaction to saving Saka's penalty is just iconic for me now. That was the best non-reaction to a title-winning play I've ever seen. Just ice cold.

Really saved Jorginho and Belotti from being scapegoats.
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Post by Guest Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:51 pm

Arquitecto wrote:This Italy win was huge because Italy needed to catch up to Germany who has 3 Euro wins, then France with 2 so now 4 World Cups and 2 Euros looks way way better then just that one Euro in 1968 to which was so far back its irrelevant.


i see this more as a healing after WC shambles by Ventura. also that no more boring players ...
also importantly Italy and i guess england too but everyone needed healing and something to celebrate after 2020...
Italy did it right ... from squad balance (still i wish mancini could have brought even better players) and we know what zaniolo is capable off, they get their passion right they get their patrotism and love for country right ...just look at NT anthem
no one does that better than italy...

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Post by rincon Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:52 pm

Jesp wrote:
rincon wrote:
Robespierre wrote:CAMPIONI D'EUROPE for 2nd time after 1968 !!!!!!!
CAMPIONI Proud Proud Proud Proud


yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay happy serie a fans! lets hug it out .... !
spare us some slack about the whole dolllarumma debacle for sometime in distant future plz ... XD

drinking
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