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Post by Robespierre Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:05 pm

Tuesday
6th July
Wembley Stadium
8 PM

The  Mediterranean Derby.

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Post by RealGunner Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:11 pm

What a stadium to choose.

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Post by BarcaLearning Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:14 pm

Never liked Italy since they always played defensive boring football not to mention all the dirty fouls and play acting Razz But nowadays they've changed and improved a lot it seems, so normally I would support Spain, but since they are so far past it now with no players that I like anymore bar Alba and a bit Busquets Razz I think I wouldnt mind at all Italy go to the final.

Rooting for England though to win it Razz
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:17 pm

Is france not Mediterranean enough in your eyes robes? hmm
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Post by farfan Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:20 pm

France vs Italy > Spain vs Italy.

Hell, France vs Spain > Italy vs Spain. Laughing more history and dramatic games tbh.
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Post by Robespierre Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:22 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Is france not Mediterranean enough in your eyes robes? hmm


ok , I 'll change better the title Laughing

Anyway I can't explain it, but Italians and Spanishs are ppl very close each other , we are much more similar to Spanish ( also from a linguistic point of view, no other language is closer to Italian than Spanish ) in strengths and weaknesses Laughing

Churchill definied us the soft belly of the Mediterranean....
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Post by Robespierre Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:26 pm

@farfan wrote:France vs Italy > Spain vs Italy.

Hell, France vs Spain > Italy vs Spain. Laughing more history and dramatic games tbh.


I can assure that for an Italian the biggest rivalry is against France. Without doubts.

Italians feel much  rivalry vs France

I think sometimes  it's not paid in the same way in France (  or am I wrong?)  but yes,   it's so here

of course I was not talking about rivalry

anyway Mediterranean derby, that's enough

Recently it meant some relevant matches, as that tragic final 2012 lost in  dastardly way
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Post by farfan Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:31 pm

It depends on who you talk to.

People from our generation definitely consider Italy as the main rival (1998, 2000, 2006 all close games that came down to the wire)

For older folks, it's Germany...for obvious reasons. Laughing
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Post by Babun Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:32 pm

I don't know who'll win because I think the game will be closer than it seems. I'll support Italy, Spain's playstyle bores me to death.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:35 pm

I get where robes is coming from. France is really a hybrid country, with both northern and Mediterranean parts , whereas Italy and Spain are entirely of Mediterranean culture.
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Post by Lord Spencer Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:44 pm

Losing Spinazzola is huge.

Italy basically is 25% less effective without him in the team. Insigne cannot play the same way, and Emerson hasn't played professional football for the entire year.
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Post by Arquitecto Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:45 pm

This has to be the most consistent Euro tie that happens by a mile.

2008: Spain beat Italy on penalties.

2012: 1-1 draw in the group stage between Italy and Spain.

Spain go on to beat Prandelli's Italia 4-0 in the final

2016: Conte's Italia absolutely destroy Spain and convincingly 2-0

2021: Spain v Italy semi-final
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Post by Winter is Coming Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:51 pm

I believe the winner in this tie is winning the competition IMO.

Italy looks like the most convincing out of everyone. Spain are still good but not as good however they seem to be quite resilient and have some luck going in there favour also.
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Post by Robespierre Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:59 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:I get where robes is coming from. France is really a hybrid country, with both northern and Mediterranean parts , whereas Italy and Spain are entirely of Mediterranean culture.

yes, too ,
and I think Italians and Spainish are closer each other as lifestyle compared with others
I felt it even when I had met Spanish Erasmus students but probably even a Germanr or English can have same vision

@farfan wrote:It depends on who you talk to.

People from our generation definitely consider Italy as the main rival (1998, 2000, 2006 all close games that came down to the wire)

For older folks, it's Germany...for obvious reasons. Laughing


Yes, similar here.

but rivalry against France makes sense. Your neighbours and high competition on very sides (wine etc)

Rivalry against Spain is not completely developed imo, on the other hand before 2008 you could remember just  USA94 match ( Baggio, Tassotti, Luis Enrique = key words) ..

After that 2008 decided on penalty kick , the 2012 final, the 2016 match  etc

And now this. It'll increase
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Post by Robespierre Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:01 am

@Winter is Coming wrote:I believe the winner in this tie is winning the competition IMO.

Italy looks like the most convincing out of everyone. Spain are still good but not as good however they seem to be quite resilient and have some luck going in there favour also.


I don't know it, there are good chances that England will play final at home
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Post by Perucho21 Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:05 am

Italy want revenge for 2012 and for Spain signing Christopher Columbus on a free depriving them of the riches Spain cruelly took.

This will be a classic
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Post by Arquitecto Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:06 am

As much as I want to say there is no clear rivalry v Italy for us as we simply cannot compare beyond our one golden generation and then only beating Italy convincingly, once and that was in the 2012 final. Never else has it happened as if anything its been the opposite.

Italy v France is a genuine rivalry be it historically and just more to it then one that is recent.

Spaniards generally favour Italians more than we do the French too so there's that. They are the closest to our culture by a good distance beyond maybe the north.
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Post by Jesp Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:29 am

i abstain .... from this. I hate Spain's ability to play possession football and against italians at times they throw them off balance...
i hope this time its different but i never discount Spain.

Even uncle Busquets comes good when it matters
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Post by Jesp Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:30 am

just if spain wins arq.. invite me to ur place cuz i want Jamón ibérico soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad!
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Post by Jesp Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:31 am

Jamón ibérico vs prosciutto di parma ...
which one wins??
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Post by Arquitecto Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:32 am

@Jesp wrote:just if spain wins arq.. invite me to ur place cuz i want Jamón ibérico soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad!



Yeeeeeeee

For me Jamon anyday but Prosciutto better with alcohol.


Truly will be an unpredictable tie, this one.
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Post by Jesp Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:35 am

@Arquitecto wrote:
@Jesp wrote:just if spain wins arq.. invite me to ur place cuz i want Jamón ibérico soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad!



Yeeeeeeee

For me Jamon anyday but Prosciutto better with alcohol.


Truly will be an unpredictable tie, this one.


mann ya all living in Spain, Italy, Portugal, knows ur stuff well. everything so tailored down to details when it comes to what it has to offer, cuisine wise.

I had Jamón ibérico like few slices with goat cheese in spanish restaurant and just few slices was 65 euro... and i heard thats cheap!!! lol
Prosciutto better with alcohol.... white wine normally right?
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Post by Arquitecto Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:52 am

I dont live in Spain and have not for a good bit but I do miss it and the Mediterranean is just the perfect blend of sun on your face, soil in your hands and earthly pleasures I have yet to accustom to yet especially in my stints in living in Asia.
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Post by Myesyats Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:43 am

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:I get where robes is coming from. France is really a hybrid country, with both northern and Mediterranean parts , whereas Italy and Spain are entirely of Mediterranean culture.

Italy - classical latin
Spain - drunk uncle of italy

France - royal, extravagant, unique

In the mediterranean derby Italy is the obvious choice! Allez, allez!
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:26 pm

@BarcaLearning wrote:Never liked Italy since they always played defensive boring football not to mention all the dirty fouls and play acting Razz But nowadays they've changed and improved a lot it seems, so normally I would support Spain, but since they are so far past it now with no players that I like anymore bar Alba and a bit Busquets Razz I think I wouldnt mind at all Italy go to the final.

Rooting for England though to win it Razz


Spain haven't been fun to watch since Euro 2008 imo.
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