Re: The US Politics Thread

[El Gunner]

race is a reality humanity will never escape... it's etched into history and it is lived and acted out every day, assuming otherwise is delusional

[McLewis]

Can't disagree with anything you said there, El G. Well said.

As for SCOTUS, it's gotten worse today:

US Supreme Court rules website designer can refuse to serve same-sex couples https://t.co/2TAJwg2Qy5

— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) June 30, 2023

Coming to to an American storefronts near you: "We don't serve gays here."...."No gays allowed"......"Husbands and Wives only".....

WASHINGTON (AP) — Supreme Court strikes down Biden's plan to wipe away $400 billion in student loan debt. pic.twitter.com/eWxSK0ti5Q

— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) June 30, 2023

Keep in mind a couple of things:

- Justice Sam Alito accepted gifts from a billionaire who lobbied for this result. That's textbook corruption.

- Prominent conservatives arguing against forgiving these student loans took out PPP loans themselves during the pandemic. Those loans were forgiven because they wrote the legislation that way. Essentially, they gave themselves a loan, at the US taxpayer's expense, in order to protect their businesses during the pandemic yet when those same taxpayers ask for forgiveness on their student loans, it becomes about "personal responsibility" and "you took out the loans, you pay them back". Fuck all of them.

[Myesyats]

race is a reality humanity will never escape... it's etched into history and it is lived and acted out every day, assuming otherwise is delusional

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-class-white-and-black-men.html

The data in this article suggests black females have the same social mobility as white females. That is not to say that they don't face any hurdles at all as women of color but the outcomes are comparable.

"Black and white girls from families with comparable earnings attain similar individual incomes as adults."


So more importantly I think that the social perception of black men being potential criminals has to change no? To really attack the problem at its core, treat the symptom not the disease

[Vibe]

Sorry for me not being in the loop, but glancing through this thread it seems that this decision makes it so you get admitted based on your grades and nothing else?

And why is that a bad thing?

[BarrileteCosmico]

Eh not really. Admissions to US colleges are based on grades, but also standardized tests, extra curriculars, "leadership", an essay, interviews, etc. There's enough wiggle room that colleges are able to design the kind of incoming classes they want.

Using Harvard again as an example, one lawsuit claimed that they attributed values like "bravery" far less often to Asians than other races.

[BarrileteCosmico]

Of the 3 recent supreme court decisions (ending AA, declaring the student loan cancellation illegal and legalized discrimination), the one I think will have far more impact and is getting talked about least is the last one. Imagine people being treated different just because of their race, sexual orientation or religion, that's the new law of the land.

[Myesyats]

I mean colleges can still consider race in admissions, in practice. You can write in the essay about your experiences as a minority and how it impacted you negatively. However it will be judged on individual basis and not just because you belong to a particular group

[McLewis]

That's why this ruling really doesn't move the needle at all in favor of Asian Americans. They've put too many of their eggs in the SAT/ACT score basket and not enough in the others.

[Pedram]

“You could put lipstick on a Dick Cheney, it is still a fascist neocon."- Vivek is going all out tonight.

#GOPDebate

pic.twitter.com/8yGaycelVD

— Graham Allen (@GrahamAllen_1) December 7, 2023

NEW: The Republican debate has been an absolute beatdown on Chris Christie.

Christie had to sit through 30 seconds of the brutal truth from Megyn Kelly after she reminds him how unliked he is compared to Donald Trump.

Then he got bodied by Vivek Ramaswamy who told him to leave… pic.twitter.com/pTt3omzjub

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) December 7, 2023

Republican debates are entertaining as fuck, love seeing the corporate establishment pick get roasted like this.

[McLewis]

Vivek is done. The cartoonishness of his campaign was novel months ago, but it's worn off and he has absolutely no substance behind of that aggression.

Haley needed Christie to be the white knight most of that debate as well. Wasn't her strongest night, but she's still probably the frontrunner of this group yet still way behind Trump.

You're right though, very entertaining.

[Myesyats]

Is Biden going to be the nominee? I've read that dems want to switch due to his awful polling

[Pedram]

Switch to who? Kamala Harris who is even more unpopular than Biden

[Myesyats]

I dont know but I'm sure they do some polling internally and if the best they can do is a senile 80-year-old then I'd be shocked.

Not Kamala but any other white guy who is below 80. Newsom?

[McLewis]

Biden is the Dem nominee. There is no legit challenger to him. The DNC have made sure of that.

[Warrior]

So it will be Trump vs Biden again ? You can't be serious

It's unthinkable that both parties can't bring another candidate. Trump's presidency was a sitcom, he committed fraud that almost got him jailed and initiated an insurgency. As for Sleepy Joe he looks very old and weak, almost like a zombie or a puppet.

Like do you prefer a punch in the throat or a kick in the balls... am i missing something because from an non US citizen point of view it makes no sense 2 terrible candidates

[Pedram]

Trump still has +60% of the Republican base in a lock, and Democrats are simply refusing to hold a primary.

It's quite ironic for a party that call themselves Democratic to not even hold debates, i guess they're just hoping Trump miraculously loses to Biden.

[McLewis]

So it will be Trump vs Biden again ? You can't be serious

It's unthinkable that both parties can't bring another candidate. Trump's presidency was a sitcom, he committed fraud that almost got him jailed and initiated an insurgency. As for Sleepy Joe he looks very old and weak, almost like a zombie or a puppet.

Like do you prefer a punch in the throat or a kick in the balls... am i missing something because from an non US citizen point of view it makes no sense 2 terrible candidates

Such is the reality of the 2-party system. Citizens United killed any power the single American voter had.

Unless we return to ranked-choice voting, we're stuck between shitty and shittier options. Both parties (via the corporations and billionaires that own them) have a vested interest in ensuring that doesn't happen. American democracy is an illusion.

[Pedram]

JUST IN - Trump now leads Biden across all seven swing states eleven months before the election — Bloomberg poll

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 14, 2023

[McLewis]

I'd take these polls with copious grains of salt. The pollsters are overrepresenting Republicans and Trump supporters in their questioning, which is skewing these number wildly in Trump's favor.

[sportsczy]

Not true. All the polls are either run or sponsored by left-leaning media (which is all of them in the US other than Fox in terms of mainstream). I'm not saying they're correct... but they over-represent left views.

Any self-respecting conservative would immediately hang up if one of these organizations tried to call them.

[El Gunner]

americans are so brain-fucked that the left-wing citizens think the right runs the media and the right-wing citizens think the left run the media... exactly where the illuminati wants them

[McLewis]

Not true. All the polls are either run or sponsored by left-leaning media (which is all of them in the US other than Fox in terms of mainstream). I'm not saying they're correct... but they over-represent left views.

Any self-respecting conservative would immediately hang up if one of these organizations tried to call them.

TIL Rasmussen polls are run by left-leaning media. Ok man

[Pedram]

Colorado Supreme Court disqualifies Trump from 2024 ballot

[El Gunner]

another 4 years of zombie walking talking Biden US democracy is a joke

[Myesyats]

There is no age limit for candidates, whereas criminals aren't allowed to run so this means that democracy works.

[El Gunner]

yes democracy is a joke/scam/illusion in general

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