Champions League 2020/21 | Group H

Even ignoring the racial connotations, referring to some person, in this case, an assistant coach of a football team as 'the black one' is pretty insulting imo. I think context is important here.

I think no one can argue that the assistant ref's choice of words could've been better.

CBarca wrote:Every time I enter a thread like this, I'm reminded why the US, and the world as a whole, has trouble with racism.

As for "is this overblown"? The whole concept behind say no to racism no racism in football etc is that there is zero tolerance. This is the concept of zero tolerance in action.

They're back playing today. This didn't stop the entire footballing world. It was just a case of saying no.

Is saying the word "black" as a descriptor with no racist intent whatsoever "racist"?

Punishing people for doing "racist" things when they were doing nothing of the sort is a fast way to build resentment towards inclusive goals.

I think anglo people need to be open to the idea that in other countries there is no taboo for for the word "black" as there is in English speaking countries. That in most languages it's no different from saying fat, tall, stocky, etc.

I wasn't aware there was a taboo for the word "black".  I thought black was still the acceptable conventional word for describing the "race" (urgh) of African-Americans and other, well, black people. Especially considering every Sky coverage of PL football games has "BLACK LIVES MATTER" plastered next to the score.
"Person of Color" includes much more doesn't it, and frankly noone should be surprised if someone not versed in the conventions, like, say, most non-Americans or foreign speakers, isn't aware that "person of color" is the correct term at the moment while "coloured" is an absolute no go.

Honestly, this is in danger of steering into "I don't see race" territory. What do we want?

What a performance by Neymar. Remember people calling him jester and Mbappe the best player of PSG Also he scored more goals in CL this year as Hazard has in his entire career.

It isn't racist end of just bad etiquette and plain ignorant and unacceptable in such professional standards.

Lets not take it further than what it is.

Hapless_Hans wrote:I wasn't aware there was a taboo for the word "black".  I thought black was still the acceptable conventional word for describing the "race" (urgh) of African-Americans and other, well, black people. Especially considering every Sky coverage of PL football games has "BLACK LIVES MATTER" plastered next to the score.
"Person of Color" includes much more doesn't it, and frankly noone should be surprised if someone not versed in the conventions, like, say, most non-Americans or foreign speakers, isn't aware that "person of color" is the correct term at the moment while "coloured" is an absolute no go.

Honestly, this is in danger of steering into "I don't see race" territory. What do we want?

He said "negru" while speaking in Romanian, which is "black" in his language, or at least that's what I've seen reported.

Can't believe Vibe passed on this opportunity

Clutch wrote:

Vibe wrote:

Clutch wrote:
you sound triggered my guy

I'm not your guy, dude

I'm not your dude, buddy

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:I wasn't aware there was a taboo for the word "black".  I thought black was still the acceptable conventional word for describing the "race" (urgh) of African-Americans and other, well, black people. Especially considering every Sky coverage of PL football games has "BLACK LIVES MATTER" plastered next to the score.
"Person of Color" includes much more doesn't it, and frankly noone should be surprised if someone not versed in the conventions, like, say, most non-Americans or foreign speakers, isn't aware that "person of color" is the correct term at the moment while "coloured" is an absolute no go.

Honestly, this is in danger of steering into "I don't see race" territory. What do we want?

He said "negru" while speaking in Romanian, which is "black" in his language, or at least that's what I've seen reported.

Yeah I wasn't talking about that, but in general.
But anyway I was asking why you said there was a taboo about the use of "black" in English speaking countries. Which is news to me and I would like to know.

Warrior wrote:Can't believe Vibe passed on this opportunity

Clutch wrote:

Vibe wrote:

I am literally reanimating people rn and remembered this, what a waste.

I'm not your guy, dude

I'm not your dude, buddy

My soul hurts.

I was reanimating people when this happened. I waited for this moment for years and now it's gone

Fair enough, lad

Myesyats wrote:basically this

No, it's not the same, not even close. Here, the guy throws an insult and adds "black" to it to amplify it, making it sound like you're a bigger *bleep* if you're black.

In the ref's case, he was using their skin color to identify them in a crowd. Supposedly, the reason was because he was insulting the refs and, get this, the insults were that he kept calling them gypsies, which would be unequivocally racist

Webo never called anyone gypsy. Fake news doing the rounds on Twitter.

Hapless_Hans wrote:

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:I wasn't aware there was a taboo for the word "black".  I thought black was still the acceptable conventional word for describing the "race" (urgh) of African-Americans and other, well, black people. Especially considering every Sky coverage of PL football games has "BLACK LIVES MATTER" plastered next to the score.
"Person of Color" includes much more doesn't it, and frankly noone should be surprised if someone not versed in the conventions, like, say, most non-Americans or foreign speakers, isn't aware that "person of color" is the correct term at the moment while "coloured" is an absolute no go.

Honestly, this is in danger of steering into "I don't see race" territory. What do we want?

He said "negru" while speaking in Romanian, which is "black" in his language, or at least that's what I've seen reported.

Yeah I wasn't talking about that, but in general.
But anyway I was asking why you said there was a taboo about the use of "black" in English speaking countries. Which is news to me and I would like to know.

I meant words for black in other languages that get confused for the n-word, sorry if that wasn't clear

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

CBarca wrote:Every time I enter a thread like this, I'm reminded why the US, and the world as a whole, has trouble with racism.

As for "is this overblown"? The whole concept behind say no to racism no racism in football etc is that there is zero tolerance. This is the concept of zero tolerance in action.

They're back playing today. This didn't stop the entire footballing world. It was just a case of saying no.

Is saying the word "black" as a descriptor with no racist intent whatsoever "racist"?

Punishing people for doing "racist" things when they were doing nothing of the sort is a fast way to build resentment towards inclusive goals.

I think anglo people need to be open to the idea that in other countries there is no taboo for for the word "black" as there is in English speaking countries. That in most languages it's no different from saying fat, tall, stocky, etc.

I've been pretty clear that I don't think this was professional, bordering on racist (or at the very least ignorant) from the ref. Honest, as far as racism goes, this is pretty close to as low on the totem pole as it gets in terms of the severity of the action, IMO (low meaning, not such a terrible thing)

That's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to the citizens of this thread, who have gone on about how much of an overreaction "hysterics" etc etc.

I think it's fine to disagree, but arguing in bad faith that you can't call someone "black" anymore is such a blatant straw man, and such a childish reaction to an event like this. THAT is what I refer to when I say I understand why the world has trouble with racism.

Honest to God *some* of the responses on here and other threads I've read are more concerning than the official. I'm not saying all, mind, I'm saying some. But *some* is enough to see what kind of issues we have.

What is the problem with the word "black" other than in the US and a few other English speaking countries?  Most of the world does not consider the word AT ALL racial, just descriptive as BC said.

How about using some cultural relativism for once as opposed to blind self-righteousness.

People are "canceling" this poor man when he did very little to nothing wrong.

This is beyond loathsome.

I can't tell if that's a response to me because I agree with everything you said up until you talk about cancel culture.

Btw, I'm willing for someone to enlighten me (I really enjoyed hearing the thoughts on the thread with respect to Cavani's "gracias negrito" and wholeheartedly agreed with the posters there).

Between that thread and this, there are multiple claims that anglicized nations/people need to have a better understanding of race as it relates to the way it is talked about in other cultures. I completely agree with this.

However, this was an incident with a Romanian official, between a French team and a Turkish team. Can someone explain to me where the anglicized understanding of race came into this particular situation? I still haven't received a good answer on this yet.

@Hans: I can unequivocally tell you that there is no taboo around the word "black" in the US and in fact it's used as a descriptor constantly.

M99 wrote:Webo never called anyone gypsy. Fake news doing the rounds on Twitter.

Don't know about Webo but ay least on As.com there is a video of the aftermath where you can clearly hear someone from the Basaksehir staff say "in my country Romanians are gypsis"

No idea why anglicised perception is mentioned as I find their notion of concepts of such things comical at times but has nill to do with the subject.


The referee deserves little sympathy because he is in an environment which has billboards prohibiting racism, 2020 to which movements against specific races were stronger than ever and then as Thimmy mentioned, stringent training against such terms so being angry at him is frivolous its more question how he could not just find another way to locate him but maybe it was just in the heat of the moment or his original conditioning.


Either way, stupid and ignorant move.