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Post by Myesyats Sun 14 Feb 2021 - 14:29

I see pool fans are now in defensive mode Laughing

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Post by Thimmy Sun 14 Feb 2021 - 18:19

Mr Nick09 wrote:You can also just poke the animal till it dies, never to be seen again for 10 years. Don’t just assume that you will go to the top again lol, next season you can be even shittier with all your players fit because your cycle is just done. Plain and simple.


Seems like more of a result of fatigue and injuries than a cycle having ended. They still have a relatively young team with more talent than the majority of other clubs.
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Post by BarcaLearning Sun 14 Feb 2021 - 18:30

Liverpool now should just relax a bit and take it easier if that makes sense, since they are now free falling and at risk of missing out top 4 if Chelsea improvement continue. They should still have np winning games again but they just need to put less pressure on themselves u feel.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun 14 Feb 2021 - 18:37

BarcaLearning wrote:Liverpool now should just relax a bit and take it easier if that makes sense, since they are now free falling and at risk of missing out top 4 if Chelsea improvement continue. They should still have np winning games again but they just need to put less pressure on themselves u feel.


I believe the song talks about loosening up for anal sex
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Post by Nishankly Sun 14 Feb 2021 - 20:15

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Mr Nick09 wrote:You can also just poke the animal till it dies, never to be seen again for 10 years. Don’t just assume that you will go to the top again lol, next season you can be even shittier with all your players fit because your cycle is just done. Plain and simple.


Seems like more of a result of fatigue and injuries than a cycle having ended. They still have a relatively young team with more talent than the majority of other clubs.


No one cares Thimmy, talking sense is not part of this thread. Unless Madrid have to play Modric at CB, their fans wont understand or even try to understand what we are going through.
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun 14 Feb 2021 - 20:19

Wouldn't playing Henderson as CB be equivalent to Casemiro playing CB and not Modric hmm
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Post by Nishankly Sun 14 Feb 2021 - 20:21

halamadrid2 wrote:Wouldn't playing Henderson as CB be equivalent to Casemiro playing CB and not Modric hmm


I'd agree but we've already played Wijnaldum and then club captain Henderson at CB (while still playing Milner another CM at LB and RB), and then we have one of the best DMs in the league with Fabinho playing CB.

So it really depends when you want to associate Casemeiro to Fabinho, Henderson, Gini or Milner and then we can come back to LFC excuses.

So it depends when you decide to pick and choose.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun 14 Feb 2021 - 20:28

Nishankly wrote:
Thimmy wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:You can also just poke the animal till it dies, never to be seen again for 10 years. Don’t just assume that you will go to the top again lol, next season you can be even shittier with all your players fit because your cycle is just done. Plain and simple.


Seems like more of a result of fatigue and injuries than a cycle having ended. They still have a relatively young team with more talent than the majority of other clubs.


No one cares Thimmy, talking sense is not part of this thread. Unless Madrid have to play Modric at CB, their fans wont understand or even try to understand what we are going through.
the real truth is that no one gives a shit that Liverpool are not doing well, except for Liverpool fans. Sorry someone had to say it. We all care about our own club not the neighbor
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Post by Nishankly Sun 14 Feb 2021 - 20:31

Mr Nick09 wrote:
Nishankly wrote:
Thimmy wrote:

Seems like more of a result of fatigue and injuries than a cycle having ended. They still have a relatively young team with more talent than the majority of other clubs.


No one cares Thimmy, talking sense is not part of this thread. Unless Madrid have to play Modric at CB, their fans wont understand or even try to understand what we are going through.
the real truth is that no one gives a shit that Liverpool are not doing well, except for Liverpool fans. Sorry someone had to say it. We all care about our own club not the neighbor


Consistently posting here m8, need a mirror?
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Post by futbol Sun 14 Feb 2021 - 21:51

Not surprising, their players were never anything special. They had a Walmart MSN upfront and that's it.

Rekt Barca with Henderson, Shaqira, Milner, Origi, Matip. Just think about it. Can't be a clearer sign of overachieving through sheer hardwork and will than that. But obviously that type of fuel empties rather fast.

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Post by Nishankly Sun 14 Feb 2021 - 22:08

futbol wrote:Not surprising, their players were never anything special. They had a Walmart MSN upfront and that's it.

Rekt Barca with Henderson, Shaqira, Milner, Origi, Matip. Just think about it. Can't be a clearer sign of overachieving through sheer hardwork and will than that. But obviously that type of fuel empties rather fast.


Thank you finally someone who understands the system (I doubt), when are we putting Klopp on top for decimating teams like its breakfast with just a system then.

We've been punching above our weight. Got us 2 back to back CL finals and a PL title. I don't blame people here to call shit out considering they would smashed again with LFC had their full team available, this is your only chance to shitpost.

Considering putting LFC on a high horse, most of us LFC fans on GL conceded everything the moment VVD went out with me and Helmet consistently posting on the GS on how we can't beat the next team we face, so I don't understand these jibes talking 5 months later to tell us that we are now being defensive. Its your ignorance to our situation that's making us actually reply to the crap you post here.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Sun 14 Feb 2021 - 22:20

futbol wrote:Not surprising, their players were never anything special. They had a Walmart MSN upfront and that's it.

Rekt Barca with Henderson, Shaqira, Milner, Origi, Matip. Just think about it. Can't be a clearer sign of overachieving through sheer hardwork and will than that. But obviously that type of fuel empties rather fast.

See, right there. That's the reason I keep coming back to this forum.

You had me in stitches, thanks for the laugh futbol Proud
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Post by Myesyats Sun 14 Feb 2021 - 23:44

Fussball posts rarely these days but when he does he always leaves someone dead on the canvas

I wonder if he left Deutschland already like he claimed he would a couple years back.
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Post by Nishankly Mon 15 Feb 2021 - 0:40

A bit confused with this wholesome Spanish reunion in the last one hour considering Messi brought his entire club down after this loss to a B grade Klopp team who actually benched Salah and Firmino after a 3-0 loss in the first leg, but okay. Probably because both sides are being spanked equivalently right now by A.Madrid.
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Post by Nishankly Mon 15 Feb 2021 - 0:47

Nishankly wrote:A bit confused with this wholesome Spanish reunion in the last one hour considering Messi brought his entire club down after this loss to a B grade Klopp team who actually benched Salah and Firmino after a 3-0 loss in the first leg, but okay. Probably because both sides are being spanked equivalently right now by A.Madrid.


Especially considering they bottled a 3-0 home lead to a Klopp sub 11 and then went to to lose 8-2 to Bayern the following season Laughing
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Post by El Gunner Mon 15 Feb 2021 - 1:32

you lost 7-2 to Aston fucking Villa with a fully fit squad let alone Bayern Munchen, pipe it down laddy
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Post by Arquitecto Mon 15 Feb 2021 - 15:09

Quite amusing to see the LFC detractors run amok this thread when the inevitable decline of the cycle is in. I mean its not as if when this thread was made the pinnacle of success in a CL final. a CL win and that savoury Premiership so its banking on something that doesnt exist and very ill-timed.

Not just considering a lot of us conceded our decline the moment VvD was injured along with other reasons.


Too late.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon 15 Feb 2021 - 15:44

What is amusing Arq are the other Liverpool fans denying the decline in cycle
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Post by El Gunner Mon 15 Feb 2021 - 19:25

Arq is just saving face with that post. Hans and I have been on the decline. I foresaw it with how the Atletico tie played out, y'all can go back to the old PL threads, and CL matchday threads. And then Hans made this thread after the PL win, but i presume he saw the matter for what it was too with how Liverpool ended last season pre and post-project restart.
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Post by Nishankly Mon 15 Feb 2021 - 23:52

El Gunner wrote:you lost 7-2 to Aston fucking Villa with a fully fit squad let alone Bayern Munchen, pipe it down laddy


I need to learn from you how react to being smashed every gameweek as a club, oh maybe is it calling out PL winners in hope that my occasional "hope to god" word will come good some day but nonetheless till those handful GWs, I will hide until those teams mess up?
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Post by Nishankly Mon 15 Feb 2021 - 23:54

El Gunner wrote:i don't think they're just going to fall apart soon, but yea they have peaked.


*Hans and I*

Grow some balls mate, atleast he called it out before the injuries unlike your coward ass.
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Post by Nishankly Tue 16 Feb 2021 - 0:01

Mr Nick09 wrote:What is amusing Arq are the other Liverpool fans denying the decline in cycle


Obviously!

How can I say that my team is done when we can't put out a 11 every week???????

I am all in to say we are done but sadly looking at this season if we have our first team available for all fixtures, even after the 7-2 against Villa (which had 4 deflected goals and the Spanish agent who kick started things Razz), we still got back to the 1st position for 5 game weeks (11 Gameweeks after the Villa game), until new injuries kicked in.

So sue me lmao for believing this team can still achieve something playing the full first 11. You have no legs to stand on other than a hypothesis with a hint of mashallah, which I refuse to believe in.

When I say achieve, now its all about qualifying for the CL and we go again next year which is something common with LFC considering we are one of the only GL PL teams consistently arriving with a title challenge either way regardless of squad hmm
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Post by Nishankly Tue 16 Feb 2021 - 0:08

Arquitecto wrote:Quite amusing to see the LFC detractors run amok this thread when the inevitable decline of the cycle is in. I mean its not as if when this thread was made the pinnacle of success in a CL final. a CL win and that savoury Premiership so its banking on something that doesnt exist and very ill-timed.

Not just considering a lot of us conceded our decline the moment VvD was injured along with other reasons.


Too late.


Disagree, this wouldn't even be a discussion if we kept losing players like they had a life cycle of a butterfly.
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Post by El Gunner Tue 16 Feb 2021 - 10:13

Nishankly wrote:
El Gunner wrote:i don't think they're just going to fall apart soon, but yea they have peaked.


*Hans and I*

Grow some balls mate, atleast he called it out before the injuries unlike your coward ass.


i really can't be bothered to go back and quote receipts... you and i and Sepi and Helmet know very well i was on y'all's asses in threads throughout GL and on Twitter since the Atletico tie last season i remember making comments such as "the wheels are starting to fall off/the wheels have fallen off" and Sepi saying "EG is just showing his true colours now"

but yeah, continue to deflect when you know im telling the truth. I don't know why i made that post above you just quoted, probably felt sorry for y'all Laughing but i did say y'all peaked and that's the truth. Key word being there "soon" i probably didn't think the players were going to fall off like flies just like that as it turned out, but i predicted the fall off in performances nonetheless
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Post by Helmer Tue 16 Feb 2021 - 18:04

futbol wrote:Not surprising, their players were never anything special. They had a Walmart MSN upfront and that's it.

Rekt Barca with Henderson, Shaqira, Milner, Origi, Matip. Just think about it. Can't be a clearer sign of overachieving through sheer hardwork and will than that. But obviously that type of fuel empties rather fast.

Good Lord, there are still some brains left here on this forum!

I think most of the Liverpool fans, on many forums will accept that. After Gerrard, we needed a figure to represent the club and to provide that thread of continuity; we got in terms of Klopp. How many proofs do we need year after year that players playing under Klopp leave the club, go somewhere else and they get totally exposed for what they are. Not saying that he did not have WC players at his disposal e.g. Lewa, VanDjik. Klopp has always relied on buying potential and then honing them into WC status in his own system.

With all players fit and playing at their correct positions, we would have probably still struggled to compete for the title. But I doubt we would have been this shit as we seem to be right now. There are just simply many factors responsible for it.
1. Klopp has been speaking about need of preseason for his players and his system to work from last 3 years. This is also one of the reasons that players did not have rhythm right from the beginning of this season.
2. Going into the season with only 1 reliable CB in terms of fitness was always going to be risky Laughing Matip and Gomez have had many injury issues over the past few seasons. We are still paying for it.
3. Carra explained this in one of MNFs that front three have played too long together and needed a bit of refreshment in terms of a quality signing. We tried that with Minamino and Jota but it did not work out for whatever reasons.

This end of cycle reasoning would have been more valid in the next season probably. Also what Wenger said in the following clip is not far away from what many of Liverpool fans have been saying.


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Liverpool’s chief executive officer, Peter Moore, is to leave the club next month and will be replaced by current managing director and chief commercial officer Billy Hogan.

Moore’s three-year contract as Liverpool CEO expires this summer and he is returning with his wife to the United States, where he worked for 36 years for Sega, Reebok, Microsoft and EA before joining his hometown club in 2017. He will oversee a transitional period until the end of August when Hogan, who has worked for owners Fenway Sports Group since 2004, starts as CEO on 1 September.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jul/31/peter-moore-to-leave-role-as-liverpool-ceo-with-billy-hogan-replacing-him

You have your own Ed Woodward running your club now.
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