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Post by Myesyats Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:04 am

@jibers wrote:Think it's a combination of things tbh. Accumulated fatigue, injuries and the margins not going their way. They were extremely lucky in so many games last season and have been VERY lucky with injuries. The games that their front 3 have played in the last 3 seasons is absolutely insane and they've had no break. When they get their injured players back and when/if they reinforce in the summer, they'll be fine again.


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Post by Perucho21 Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:08 am

I would join in the laughs but we cannot act like massive injuries especially to all of their CBs isnt a big culprit. Using Henderson at CB? It's like if we have to put Kroos at CB Laughing

I don't think its the end of a cycle, if they were playing crap without all the injuries sure, but like I said those injuries are a big problem.
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Post by Casciavit Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:24 am

@jibers wrote:Think it's a combination of things tbh. Accumulated fatigue, injuries and the margins not going their way. They were extremely lucky in so many games last season and have been VERY lucky with injuries. The games that their front 3 have played in the last 3 seasons is absolutely insane and they've had no break. When they get their injured players back and when/if they reinforce in the summer, they'll be fine again.



More or less my thoughts too. Overworking players in previous seasons + pandemic this season has probably contributed to a lot of the injuries. I think they'll bounce back though. Let the other players get fit and add some new signings to refresh the squad and they'll be mounting another title challenge.
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Post by Helmer Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:27 am

I collected some stats from twitterati and other forums. It surely points to the direction of fatigue and injuries. So the logic says if Klopp has had preseason or even some of the players which suit his system, we would have still survived without VanDjik.

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Now to the individual performances. The problems in the CB area and which is directly affecting the midfield are well known. But Liverpool are also failing to score as much as they did in the previous seasons.

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Firmino

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Mane

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The players are doing the right things. According to the stats, they are getting in the right areas, also taking shots but simply not scoring enough goals. This season the front three are being really easy to mark as they are not getting any support from the midfield in terms of 1. making runs 2. being in the right position in the box when the ball comes in. We have had some good performances this season when we had Hendo or Minamino or Jota in the team or you can say we had Matip/Fabinho in defence or both.

This was the starting XI against Leicester, home game which we won 3-0

Alisson; Milner, Matip, Fabinho, Robertson; Jones, Wijnaldum, Keita; Jota, Firmino, Mane.

And the line up against Crystal Palace, which we won 7-0

Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Fabinho, Robertson, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Keita, Minamino, Mane, Firmino.

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Post by Casciavit Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:59 pm

6 straight losses at Anfield...goodness grief
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Post by Lucifer Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:08 pm

@Casciavit wrote:6 straight losses at Anfield...goodness grief

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Post by S Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:28 pm

Visionary thread




Well I guess not so much because this kind of collapse with Klopp has happened before
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Post by danyjr Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:30 pm

Not his fault IMHO. Who else could have done better with the injuries Liverpool have had?
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Post by rincon Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:22 pm

@danyjr wrote:Not his fault IMHO. Who else could have done better with the injuries Liverpool have had?

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Post by Casciavit Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:25 pm

Is there any actual chance Liverpool sacks Klopp this season even if they don't make CL? The club owes a lot to him so I can see them sticking with him until at least Christmas next season if poor results persist.
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Post by Firenze Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:27 pm

they're losing to shit teams like Fulham with most of their core intact

NO EXCUSES

but I don't see them sacking Klopp even if they finish 15th
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Post by danyjr Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:34 pm

@rincon wrote:
@danyjr wrote:Not his fault IMHO. Who else could have done better with the injuries Liverpool have had?

Pippo
Inzaghi? Is that a joke?
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Post by Doc Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:15 pm

Klopp doesn't get a free pass due to injuries. We wouldn't even think to give that to Pep, Zizou, Koeman, Ole or any other manager currently employed.

Also, outside of City, you mean to tell me their current squad couldn't get a point from the following teams:
Brighton
Everton
Sheffield United
Chelsea
Fulham
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Post by BarcaLearning Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:36 pm

Surely they wont sack him no matter what this season. Unless he loses interest himself and resigns. Pretty sure he will be judged once VD is back and has the chance to make changes in the summer first. It will be amazing to not see Liverpool in the CL next season though.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:41 pm

@Firenze wrote:they're losing to shit teams like Fulham with most of their core intact

NO EXCUSES

but I don't see them sacking Klopp even if they finish 15th
Their core intact Laughing Of pool's 5 great player or so, 3 were missing, and Salah has been in hibernation since December
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Post by El Gunner Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:48 pm

all this injury excuse bullshit SHOULD STOP! it is part of the game and as a result of their own fault because they ran their asses off with more or less the same 14 players for 3 years without diving into the transfer window for adequate depth. And even with the injuries they still have had all of their core midfielders and attackers fit the entire season. So please stop it!

Downward spiral, wheels have fallen off!
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Post by rincon Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:12 pm

@danyjr wrote:
@rincon wrote:
@danyjr wrote:Not his fault IMHO. Who else could have done better with the injuries Liverpool have had?

Pippo
Inzaghi? Is that a joke?

Yes, its an old meme here from when he first coached Milan. Although by now he has become a fine coach after his initial meme status.
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Post by Lex Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:36 pm

Dropping points against Sheffield United AND Fulham is inexcusable, I don't care how many injuries you have. You can't even blame the lack of defence and say it's simply due to letting in too many goals, they're losing by 1-0 margins nowadays. Where's Salah? Where's Mane? Where's Bobby Dazzler Firmino? Where's Gigi?
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Post by Lex Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:38 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Their core intact Laughing Of pool's 5 great player or so, 3 were missing, and Salah has been in hibernation since December
You're overlooking one crucial element here; it's freakin' Fulham. Full Ham.
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Post by S Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:51 pm

If you exclude Leicester who weren't expected to mount a title defense anyway, surely this has to be the worst title defense atleast in the PL era?

Winning the league with like 10 rounds to spare to possibly not even making CL is way too extreme.
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Post by danyjr Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:05 pm

@rincon wrote:
@danyjr wrote:
@rincon wrote:
Pippo
Inzaghi? Is that a joke?

Yes, its an old meme here from when he first coached Milan. Although by now he has become a fine coach after his initial meme status.
lol
Much prefer his brother in all honestly.
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Post by Myesyats Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:44 pm

@danyjr wrote:Who else could have done better with the injuries Liverpool have had?

Anyone. 6 straight losses at home is terrible for any team let alone CL contenders.
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Post by Myesyats Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:47 pm

@El Gunner wrote:all this injury excuse bullshit SHOULD STOP! it is part of the game and as a result of their own fault because they ran their asses off with more or less the same 14 players for 3 years without diving into the transfer window for adequate depth. And even with the injuries they still have had all of their core midfielders and attackers fit the entire season. So please stop it!

Downward spiral, wheels have fallen off!

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Post by Doc Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:07 pm

@S wrote:If you exclude Leicester who weren't expected to mount a title defense anyway, surely this has to be the worst title defense atleast in the PL era?

Winning the league with like 10 rounds to spare to possibly not even making CL is way too extreme.

Technically, they are having as "bad" of a season as Blackburn according to my Google search. Though I really just compared Liverpool to Blackburn...
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Post by Helmer Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:06 pm

NO EXCUSES really !
Injuries or no injuries, you cant keep losing every home game no matter what even if you play with under 15. But if you ask people in Germany, this is what you get with Klopp Laughing extremes of everything - all the possible emotions of the world. If there is any person who could get Liverpool out of this, it is Kloppo himself.

This was kind of expected as last 4 seasons have seen Klopp reach 3 European finals. 1 Europa league and 2 CL final appearances and winning one out of them. Two EPL title challenges, winning one out of them and in the other, going neck to neck with Pep's City till the last match day. In both these seasons Liverpool finished the season with 97 and 99 points. So anyone can imagine the amount of football and the intensity at which Klopp's Liverpool (with a limited squad size in terms of quality) must have played over past few seasons.

That is why I had also posted after winning last seaons's title, it will be time to find out whether Klopp is in the mould of Ferguson, Wenger or more like a manager short term success for a period of 3-4 seasons maximum. I guess we are seeing signs of the later most likely.

I am just curious how we would do in CL in this season! Bring it on Proud

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