Liverpool and Klopp - it's all downhill from here

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Post by Myesyats Mon Nov 07, 2022 4:00 pm

The problem is owners injecting unlimited amounts without any oversight and through fake companies being run out of a mailbox. Source of money being oil is not a crime in itself, just have some transparency and oversight (and limits) with regards to the funding

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Post by BarcaLearning Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:36 pm

Yea not sure if it would be that bad, since no one can compete with Man C as it is, as hard as LFC have pushed them, its just so hard. If an even richer oil comes in willing to splash out on big signings, n give even more to Klopp to work with Very Happy
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Nov 12, 2022 12:12 pm

Bubble has well and truly burst

Klopps' Liverpool were great for a year and a half, massively overrated for several years and have now completely imploded
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Post by futbol_bill Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:00 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:Bubble has well and truly burst

Klopps' Liverpool were great for a year and a half, massively overrated for several years and have now completely imploded


Did you post this before or after today’s win?
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Post by Helmer Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:06 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:Bubble has well and truly burst

Klopps' Liverpool were great for a year and a half, massively overrated for several years and have now completely imploded

Let's get it straight, we're we ever great ? ... I think we were just there somehow finishing 2nd, losing title by 1 point, reaching 4 European finals and winning one of them, last season in the race for 4 trophies till the end. Not sure why opposition fans keep saying that Liverpool were great in past few years at all. It is the most frustrating club with a very frustrating manager, playing crap and winning nothing in last few years.

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Post by McAgger Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:38 am

Helmer wrote:
Let's get it straight, we're we ever great ?


We won all 7 trophies possible to win for Liverpool with this group. We also JUST lost 2 CL finals and lost 2 title races on the final day by 1 point. Yes, I think the objective answer to that question is, yes.

Should Klopp had won more with this group? Yes, I think talent wise, on paper, winning everything only once seems like under performing. But it doesn't take away that we were great in this period.

We're 100% in a transition period. Unfortunately FSG was never interested in sustained success (like they've proven with RedSox elsewhere) so we didn't take advantage of building from a position of strength to remain amongst the other big boys exponentially. The best players in this group are aging, declining, and are on the wrong side of 30. They wrote off 20/21 because of lack of investment. Unfortunately it seems another season has been written off. The like of Alisson, Thiago, Van Dijk, Salah are going to start or keep declining due to age so our problems are going to exacerbate even further.

The specific problem this season is the midfield. 13 year kids on twitter were able to pin point the deficiencies in the summer but the club (and Klopp included) were too busy patting themselves on the back and living in denial instead of addressing them. Milner and Henderson playing for Liverpool in 2023 is an insult to humanity.

Even still, I think the current team really only needs that midfield fix to be able to compete in the short term (2nd half of this season & for 23/24).

And by the midfield fix, I mean other than Thiago completely re-haul the entire group because they are straight garbage. Milner & Henderson should be taken out back and executed. Ox and Keita are professional hospital patients who sometimes happen to play football and their contracts running out at the end of the season is ray of sunshine sent from the gods. Curtis Jones is a make a wish foundation kid who is not good enough for the premier league. Fabinho has regressed so much physically from last season he looks like a geriatric.

Harvey Elliot and Carvalho are young so I don't count them amongst the rest. They have some talent but it remains to be seen whether they can actually play in midfield or wide positions/#10 roles are their best positions.

We really need like 3+ young physically capable midfielders. I suspect we'll be in for at least 3 of these of names in the next two windows (Bellingham, Rice, Enzo Fernandez, Caicedo, Barella). Whether we sign any of them from the hole we dug ourselves remains to be seen as everyone and their cats will be in for them.


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Post by Hapless_Hans Yesterday at 6:34 am

futbol_bill wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:Bubble has well and truly burst

Klopps' Liverpool were great for a year and a half, massively overrated for several years and have now completely imploded


Did you post this before or after today’s win?

During!
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