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Post by McLewis on Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:38 pm

Joe Rogan just had Alex Jones on his show. If you don't know who that is, Alex Jones is a known far-right conspiracy theorist. He pushed a very dangerous theory that the Sandy Hook Massacre (26 children and teachers killed by a gunman) did not happen and that the parents of those children were crisis actors, which led to them getting death threats. Alex Jones is scum and Rogan giving him a platform on his very popular show is extremely dangerous. Jones is also a proponent of QANON.

I had no interest in his show before this, but now I vehemently won't listen to it now. Having such a vile person on has killed any curiosity I had in his show.

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Post by El Gunner on Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:46 pm

dumb asses, complete slave-walking media controlled zombies

my time on this forum might come to an end soon too like Dom a year ago
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Post by Myesyats on Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:31 pm

Alex Jones is so entertaining though. When he was at JRE last year it's still one of my fav podcasts just for laughter and entertainment purposes obviously not taking him seriously as a news source but he is a comedic genius too.

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Post by McLewis on Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:33 pm

I think you mean Joe Rogan, but yeah I've heard that said about him quite a bit.

I remember pretty much only as the host of Fear Factor when I was a kid. That's literally it.

He's one of those celebrities who has such a toxic fanbase that it makes it untenable for me to be interested in what he has to say.
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Post by Myesyats on Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:42 pm

No I actually mean Alex Jones. His stories are hilarious regardless of him being a dangerous conspiracy theorist, he has a comedic talent that I think is very much on display @ JRE. Other than Rogan's podcast I've not really read about him much, a funny nutjob is all I view him as and I would never take him seriously.

don't care much for Rogan, decent interviewer but I only watch his podcast if he has a cool guest on a la Elon Musk, Degrasse Tyson, Brian Cox and other scientists, Jordan Peterson, Bill Burr, Theo Von etc.

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Post by McLewis on Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:45 pm

Perhaps I focus far too much on his conspiracy theories, but I just don't find Jones funny at all. He's caused people a lot of pain. Too much for me to see him as funny, even if he actually is.
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Post by Arquitecto on Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:03 pm

McLewis I fail to see your point here. To understand his podcasts is to understand his purpose within them.

Rogan in particular does not invite his guests to amplify his own agenda but merely giving them a platform to freely speak (the marijuana helps further).


Jones is a nut whom I do not pay attention to since I too am generally against the pattern of thinking that leads to such theories (X+Y=Z).

But Rogan generally is the interrogator along with expanding upon their views since his general knowledge on things (and that is where is ends) is broad.


I cannot see how giving a platform to anyone can be toxic for the viewers should decide for themselves on what to be influenced by or what not, unless we are speaking of children who are obviously, impressionable.


Rogan on the other hand is not so consistent with his views that is for sure, as examples exist in his UFC punditry in which he will hype anyone to anything relating the federation.


Where I stand with him is the attempts to have him cancelled just because he invites guests that can be offensive to a certain demographic. He holds guests from both sides.
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Post by McLewis on Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:11 pm

@Arq - I generally take a dim view of anyone (left or right) who give a platform to anyone pushing very dangerous falsehoods and conspiracies. I do not support people who bring people onto their show to give them a platform to spread lies. I never will.

People are really gullible. They hear these things coming from "legit" places like Rogan's show and then they get it in their heads to act on what they hear. That is dangerous.
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Post by Arquitecto on Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:14 pm

My problem with Rogan is that on his podcast, he can be quite the fencesitter, to which of course brings popularity to his show along with having a far more attractive environments for his guests but never will you see him take on the top drawer guests in their views, but more so the minor celebrities at best.


So to expand, him amplifying the views of such guests with his supplementary questions and silence on views that I know he does not agree with, is the dangerous part, beyond the guest themselves.
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Post by rincon on Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:28 pm

I listen to Rogan's podcast regularly. I like him in general and his conversations with such a broad variety of people are really interesting.

I draw the line at Alex Jones though, there is nothing harmless about giving him a platform. He isn't a comedian. Jones is destructive and has a wide following of people taking his VERY toxic ideas, VERY seriously. Which has had plenty of real life consequences for the targets of his conspiracies, such as the sandy hook massacre victims. For Jones supporters to see him on the JRE legitimises their beliefs.
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Post by iftikhar on Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:52 pm

Those in USA, have you already voted (in person or via mail) or waiting to do so on the voting day?
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Post by futbol_bill on Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:09 pm

@El Gunner wrote:

my time on this forum might come to an end soon too like Dom a year ago


Great, maybe you can take Betty with you as well!
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Post by CBarca on Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:32 pm

Joe Rogan would be fine if he could just stop inviting on people like Alex Jones as if it's some proof of how open to discussion he is. It appears as though he is unconcerned with truth.

I don't always like Joe, I don't always like Sam Harris, or anyone of that ilk. In fact, I generally dislike them. Add Jordan Peterson to the mix. However, I don't hate any of them. I don't think any of them should have their platform taken away, or anything like that. My problem is that all of them are smart people who seem so obsessed with the reign of terror of Political Correctness and free speech that they don't realize that they've become gateways for people to get into the alt-right movement.

And believe me! I understand the concern! I used to be into Jordan Peterson, and everyone of that ilk. I was very much a part of that particular crowd. I still think they have decent points when it comes to some aspects of PC culture. The right aren't the only owners and disseminators of misinformation, there are absolutely bad actors on the left.

However, these guys have, at times, become so overly concerned that they're caricatures who are engaging in spin just to argue the contrary point. They have, at times, become SOOO concerned with free speech, that they have become sources of disinformation themselves. As if disinformation and misinformation deserve a platform on their own. Sam Harris's podcast on Black Lives Matter is case open and shut. Two hours of bullshit just to take the hipster opinion on Black Lives Matter.

And that's where Joe Rogan exists. For 90-95% of his conversations, no fuckin problem! But then there is bullshit like Alex Jones or Charles Murray (although I find a lot less to complain about with having Murray on the show, although I detest the guy).
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Post by Art Morte on Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:46 pm

@El Gunner wrote:dumb asses, complete slave-walking media controlled zombies

my time on this forum might come to an end soon too like Dom a year ago


What's up with you El G? You're sounding more unstable by the week. I'm not trying to be confrontational, just that my previous image of you on the forum was pretty chill, lately you've been anything but.
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Post by CBarca on Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:19 pm

@iftikhar wrote:Those in USA, have you already voted (in person or via mail) or waiting to do so on the voting day?


I voted by mail a couple weeks ago
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Post by El Gunner on Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:04 pm

@Art Morte wrote:
@El Gunner wrote:dumb asses, complete slave-walking media controlled zombies

my time on this forum might come to an end soon too like Dom a year ago


What's up with you El G? You're sounding more unstable by the week. I'm not trying to be confrontational, just that my previous image of you on the forum was pretty chill, lately you've been anything but.


just because you do not understand my views doesn't make me "unstable"

but perhaps what you perceive from me as that i myself am too confrontational with others on here, maybe i should take it easy on that?
Sometimes i just joke around, sometimes it gets to me

i mean, Kanye, a perfectly normal person, just a person, just a person, just like you and me, gets labelled as "a lunatic" and people just completely dismiss him entirely because he uses the word "god" and comes off eccentric, yet he is a genius, and he lists a lot of great things he is currently doing in Wyoming and America like growing farms, and ensuring that workers will own an increasing percentage of the land over time, he is working with current leading techs in the world and trying to form a holistic society through spatial reconstruction and therapeutic qualities in mind. He is in the process of building self sustainable societies, he is getting people to work together. He is looking at the system. He trying to dismantle Universal's grip on musicians by getting their masters back. He is literally a tale of making it into the system as a true underdog in life, and now he is leading a pursuit in trying to dismantle the system from within.

How can you not get behind that?
Tell me how that is lunacy?
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Post by El Gunner on Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:06 pm

by the way Art that is not directed specifically at you, i love you my brother, it's just a query to the rest of these bozos on here that try to label me as a clown
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Post by McLewis on Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:12 pm

@El Gunner wrote:
@Art Morte wrote:
@El Gunner wrote:dumb asses, complete slave-walking media controlled zombies

my time on this forum might come to an end soon too like Dom a year ago


What's up with you El G? You're sounding more unstable by the week. I'm not trying to be confrontational, just that my previous image of you on the forum was pretty chill, lately you've been anything but.


just because you do not understand my views doesn't make me "unstable"

but perhaps what you perceive from me as that i myself am too confrontational with others on here, maybe i should take it easy on that?
Sometimes i just joke around, sometimes it gets to me

i mean, Kanye, a perfectly normal person, just a person, just a person, just like you and me, gets labelled as "a lunatic" and people just completely dismiss him entirely because he uses the word "god" and comes off eccentric, yet he is a genius, and he lists a lot of great things he is currently doing in Wyoming and America like growing farms, and ensuring that workers will own an increasing percentage of the land over time, he is working with current leading techs in the world and trying to form a holistic society through spatial reconstruction and therapeutic qualities in mind. He is in the process of building self sustainable societies, he is getting people to work together. He is looking at the system. He trying to dismantle Universal's grip on musicians by getting their masters back. He is literally a tale of making it into the system as a true underdog in life, and now he is leading a pursuit in trying to dismantle the system from within.

How can you not get behind that?
Tell me how that is lunacy?


For me, there is a serious disconnect between what Kanye's doing and what Kanye's saying. If he simply did these things and said less, he wouldn't be seen as a lunatic.

The man truly did not sound well the last few times he has spoken publicly. I don't think that's up for dispute. He did not sound normal. The things he did, as you describe, are great things indeed though.
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Post by El Gunner on Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:13 pm

he is running for President, independently that is, so he has to campaign himself, no?
And so therefore he has to speak about it, get it?

just because he articulates himself in an eccentric manner, which has always been his personality, doesn't mean he is a loony Laughing
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Post by Art Morte on Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:42 pm

@El Gunner wrote:
@Art Morte wrote:
@El Gunner wrote:dumb asses, complete slave-walking media controlled zombies

my time on this forum might come to an end soon too like Dom a year ago


What's up with you El G? You're sounding more unstable by the week. I'm not trying to be confrontational, just that my previous image of you on the forum was pretty chill, lately you've been anything but.


just because you do not understand my views doesn't make me "unstable"

but perhaps what you perceive from me as that i myself am too confrontational with others on here, maybe i should take it easy on that?
Sometimes i just joke around, sometimes it gets to me

i mean, Kanye, a perfectly normal person, just a person, just a person, just like you and me, gets labelled as "a lunatic" and people just completely dismiss him entirely because he uses the word "god" and comes off eccentric, yet he is a genius, and he lists a lot of great things he is currently doing in Wyoming and America like growing farms, and ensuring that workers will own an increasing percentage of the land over time, he is working with current leading techs in the world and trying to form a holistic society through spatial reconstruction and therapeutic qualities in mind. He is in the process of building self sustainable societies, he is getting people to work together. He is looking at the system. He trying to dismantle Universal's grip on musicians by getting their masters back. He is literally a tale of making it into the system as a true underdog in life, and now he is leading a pursuit in trying to dismantle the system from within.

How can you not get behind that?
Tell me how that is lunacy?


I can understand your views or at least willingly entertain anything anyone says on here. I'm myself in the minority with my anti-multiculturalism views on GL. But your posts lately aren't about debating things over. I mean, I could be wrong, but to me it has seemed like you've been getting into an "everyone's against me and fuck you all" mind set and that's not what I have expected from you.

Like this paragraph about Kanye. Why would you react so strongly to people's opinions on him? The man has himself said he's bipolar, he's got history of being all over the place, I think his fiancee has come forward saying he's got mental issues... He made a totally unrealistic declaration about running for president. But you're here posting like you identify yourself in him, like you think he's 100% OK and everyone else is crazy. That's delusion, man, the same cup Kanye (occasionally) drinks from and I hate seeing this because you didn't use to drink from that cup.
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Post by El Gunner on Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:02 pm

while i understand that you are a completely normal person and you are perfectly capable of making your own conclusions, assumptions and deductions just like the rest of us... it needs to be said Art that everything you just said, including your assessment of me and Kanye as persons and individuals is completely incorrect, i wish that you can accept that?

because i do like you
i like all of you here
maybe sometimes some less than others because of the shit that they say Laughing
but i do like you
so i hope your opinion on me changes because it quite simply is an incorrect assessment from your end?
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Post by El Gunner on Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:08 pm

"bipolar" is just a psychological label, i'm a psych student mate, psychologists labels so that they can treat and intervene within their field

whilst it is true people, the general public, should be more cognisant of these terms and their "symptoms" and signs. There deserves to be absolutely no stigma attached to psychological conditions. And im afriad thats what you are doing when you are bringing up his bipolar diagnosis. It doesn't mean he is mentally ill or crazy. Because if he is mentally ill or crazy then we are all, because according to the psychological definition we all have forms/degrees of neuroses and psychoses.
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Post by Myesyats on Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:47 pm

Objectively speaking Kanye is way crazier than the average person. Rarely ever does he make sense from what I've seen of him especially during his "campaign" and the infamous rally where he implied that black people were content with being enslaved and remained in that state for so long by choice. Running as a republican as a Black individual also speaks for itself, as well as embracing Trump.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:06 am

Kanye West is a fucking arsehole and dumbass, end of story.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:17 am



Man can't even remember that Bush is no longer in the white house... soon to be one of the most powerful men in the world
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Post by McLewis on Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:24 am

Ehh that got debunked by the AP already:

Biden was speaking to George Lopez in widely shared video
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