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Post by Pedram Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:19 am

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Post by Babun Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:41 am

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Post by Freeza Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:42 am

They’re really gonna flip Georgia.

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Post by rincon Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:59 am

Biden took the lead in Georgia and the last batch widened that slim lead. It looks done.
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Post by Babun Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:16 pm

@rincon wrote:Biden took the lead in Georgia and the last batch widened that slim lead. It looks done.

The best part is Georgia is an all Republican state. There's nothing to contest for Trump's legal team.
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Post by rincon Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:21 pm

@Babun wrote:
@rincon wrote:Biden took the lead in Georgia and the last batch widened that slim lead. It looks done.

The best part is Georgia is an all Republican state. There's nothing to contest for Trump's legal team.

There is nothing for Trump to contest anywhere. There isn't any evidence of fraud, but that doesn't stop him from contesting it.

I guess he will ask for recounts since the margins are small, and sue everything to get to the supreme courts which he controls. He has already said as much.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:48 pm

I know GL doesn't think highly of her, but it looks like we have Stacey Abrams to thank for this

“After Stacey Abrams narrowly lost her 2018 bid to become the governor of Georgia, she poured her energy into registering people to vote. She has said that more than 800,000 new voters have been registered in the state since 2018.

Georgia’s voter rolls looked a lot different heading into the 2020 election than they did in 2016. The percentage of registered voters who are white fell from 62% to 59% in the last four years, and nearly a third of voters of the state’s voters are now under 35 years old.”
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:57 pm

Annnnnd PA just turned blue

Game over as far as I'm concerned

The senate is looking likely to be 48-50, with 2 runoff elections in Georgia for Jan 5th . If the dems take both they would have senate control, but it would also give everyone so much leverage I'm sure it would be the most corrupt senate in decades.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:03 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:I know GL doesn't think highly of her, but it looks like we have Stacey Abrams to thank for this

“After Stacey Abrams narrowly lost her 2018 bid to become the governor of Georgia, she poured her energy into registering people to vote. She has said that more than 800,000 new voters have been registered in the state since 2018.

Georgia’s voter rolls looked a lot different heading into the 2020 election than they did in 2016. The percentage of registered voters who are white fell from 62% to 59% in the last four years, and nearly a third of voters of the state’s voters are now under 35 years old.”


I was actually thinking of her too yesterday when it was emerging Georgia would flip.

No doubt her work had a massive impact, and doesn't it validate her position that turning out your base is at least as important as chasing those elusive undecided centrist independents?

Now imagine what election victories this joke of a party could have if they actually chose candidates that represented the positions the people who vote for the party want to have realized
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:59 pm

Turnout is always treated as the most important factor in every election though. I don't think anyone making the 'appeal to the base' or 'appeal to independents' argument ignores that.

I would also add that this isn't something that happened organically on election night but because the right political actors organized, mobilized and acted years in advance. The 'appeal' piece was really secondary.
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Post by CBarca Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:48 pm

Call the fucking race. What are we waiting for?
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Post by titosantill Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:58 pm

lol this tweet seems familiar

https://twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1324473286366027776

the incorrect use of punctuation marks, use of the term 'sheep' when stuff isn't going their way, a misunderstanding of 'your' and 'you're'. eric trump may actually be......nah, that can't be, or can it?
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Post by McLewis Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:30 pm

Not surprising, but Georgia's Secretary of State has announced that there will be a recount of those votes, given the razor thin margins.

It will take them likely to the end of the month to do that recount.

I can't imagine there would've been a recount if it had been Trump still leading and not Biden.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:42 pm

@CBarca wrote:Call the fucking race. What are we waiting for?


Amazing isn't it

It's as if not just Fox News, but all of them got the directive to keep this going and refrain from calling Biden "president-elect"

How are Trump supporters supposed to accept reality when the media are scared to actually enunciate it?
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Post by McLewis Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:09 pm

The media are afraid of being wrong again, like they were in 2016. We've already seen it this round with Fox News calling Arizona for Biden far too early.

They are overly cautious about calling these states for fear of some gotcha moment that hands Biden-leaning states somehow to Trump.

So as a result, they are in a rock and a hard place.
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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:21 pm

@McLewis wrote:Not surprising, but Georgia's Secretary of State has announced that there will be a recount of those votes, given the razor thin margins.

It will take them likely to the end of the month to do that recount.

I can't imagine there would've been a recount if it had been Trump still leading and not Biden.


I mean yeah, but at the same time, it's the loser's right to demand a recount, if the lead falls within a .5% margin, so Trump can do it. It won't change anything.

The real travesty is the amount of doubt and outright lies the Republicans have been flinging at the entire process, Trump ranting and raving about tons of instances of voter fraud, when there have been virtually none reported.
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Post by CBarca Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:30 pm

Biden has a pretty clear win in MI, WI and PA though. It's over. Then we've got pretty good indications in NV and AZ looks good too.

Bunch of pansies
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Post by Nishankly Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:39 pm

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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:40 pm

Nevada is basically done, yes.
Arizona is by all projections done, but not sure yet.
Georgia is done but very close, so recount.
Pennsylvania will only go harder for Biden as the count continues.

Barring any huge surprises, Biden got this. And with the same 306 electoral votes Trump had 4 years ago, nonetheless.

Trump got the 2nd most votes of any presidential candidate ever, which is cool. Too bad for him Biden is 1st.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:20 pm

A bucket of cold water that Trump got so close to a 2nd term. If he hadn't botched Corona he would've won. If dems run on the same platform in 2 years they will lose the lower house, let's hope victory doesn't get to their head.

Also huge question marks about trump's improved margins with lgbt, white women, black men and Hispanic people. Trump's platform didn't change, so it must be something on the dems side that scared them off. Or maybe it was just his handling of the economy?
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Post by Nishankly Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:29 pm

I am more worried about how Biden won, every state result that I open, the major cities vote Biden while all rural counties vote Trump and almost always the counties are more than the those few cities obviously due to population concentration. It's still very concerning to see the rural-urban divide in the US
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Post by Warrior Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:38 pm

Yes that was very noticeable. It's also the case in Canada. Liberal Party won because the 2 most populated cities voted for them. Rest of people think otherwise.

I assumed it was everywhere like this hmm
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Post by Nishankly Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:04 pm

@Warrior wrote:Yes that was very noticeable. It's also the case in Canada. Liberal Party won because the 2 most populated cities voted for them. Rest of people think otherwise.

I assumed it was everywhere like this hmm


Just a personal example, it's really not for at least India where the urban voice gets drowned and rightfully so, but we are special situation separately.

But yes for the west, I can understand how that makes sense. Let's see how Biden handles a 50-50, no country reacts well to this.
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Post by McLewis Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:12 pm

@Nishankly wrote:I am more worried about how Biden won, every state result that I open, the major cities vote Biden while all rural counties vote Trump and almost always the counties are more than the those few cities obviously due to population concentration. It's still very concerning to see the rural-urban divide in the US


Very concerning indeed, but not a new concern. This has been around for generations. The Covid crisis has put this in starker contrasts because those who are better off can work from home while those who cannot are the ones who are dealing with significantly higher exposure to the virus. It is thought that Trump saw gains, particularly from minorities because they tend to make up that 2nd group more than the first. I'm not sure about that given the Dems have had a relief bill out there for months now, but it was not acted upon by the Senate.

Politics is perception though and for those who are out there and can't work from home, the perception is likely that Dems didn't do enough to help them whereas some of the rhetoric from Trump (like "The cure can't be worse than the disease") has resonated.
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Post by CBarca Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:48 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:A bucket of cold water that Trump got so close to a 2nd term. If he hadn't botched Corona he would've won. If dems run on the same platform in 2 years they will lose the lower house, let's hope victory doesn't get to their head.

Also huge question marks about trump's improved margins with lgbt, white women, black men and Hispanic people. Trump's platform didn't change, so it must be something on the dems side that scared them off. Or maybe it was just his handling of the economy?


For all the talk the "WE NEED TO PUSH LEFT" people put out on here, Biden clearly outperformed Dems everywhere, except maybe Mark Kelly in AZ. A common refrain from people at the polls who generally stayed with Trump (indies, people who lean right) was "we think the Dems have gone too far left"

Now, this is fucking bullshit of course.

But it's something to think of. I think people are not as big of fans of "the squad" or Bernie Sanders as is commonly thought. At the same time, things like $15/hour wage and recreational marijuana were passing, soooo... who knows? It was a weird election. A lot of data needs to come through to help make sense of it.

It's also possible that, while turnout was huge among racists, people despised Trump enough to vote against him while being fine with other R candidates (fuckin Susan Collins? Really?).
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