Re: USA gun violence thread

[Blue Barrett]

Did Alton Sterling get shot just because he was selling CDs?

Seriously ?
911 call for an individual matching his (Alton Sterling's) description who threatened someone (911 caller) with a gun.
Police show up
Police confront Sterling
Sterling pinned on back on the ground
Officers see gun in right front pocket
Sterling's right hand is free
Officers tell him not to move
Sterling continues to move his right arm
Officers shoot him

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/national/new-alton-sterling-video-shows-didn-pull-gun-police-article-1.2701540?client=safari#

Link has video of shooting where you can see his right arm moving after being told to freeze.
Why is that important ?
Because
1) call of man threating person with a gun
2) gun is in right front pant pocket
3) right hand is free and moving

Based on those conditions and that he was told to stop moving and continued moving his right arm where the gun was, created  the belief by the officers that they were in fear of their lives or great bodily harm of either themselves or another person including eachother.  You can still shoot a gun while it is in your pocket. Pants dont prevent that.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/06/new-video-shows-alton-sterling-was-not-holding-a-gun-when-baton-rogue-police-killed-him.html

PLEASE quit the bullshit. The store owner - who by the way said Alton had been selling CDs outside his store for years and they had no problems - said he didn't see or hear any altercations between Alton and anybody that required police showing up in the first place.

Store owner also confirmed Alton didn't have his hand in his pocket or move his hand towards his pocket. You can't see that from the video either. You've just pinned someone to the ground violently, aren't you going to give him even a few seconds to be calm?

All that being said, even IF he was moving his hand towards his pocket where the gun was, there were TWO cops on him. They could have EASILY restrained that hand. Hell, shoot him with a taser or something if you think he doesn't want to calm down for whatever reason.

They shot him SIX times. SIX times. That was an execution. Please don't come here trying to defend what those cops did. It's actually okay to admit it when a cop does a bad job. They're human like the rest of us. No one is perfect. They shit the bed there and it's perfectly fine to say it.

And then when asked about body cameras, they conveniently say their body cameras (which would have captured the entire thing) got lost in the scuffle. And then they went ahead and confiscated the CCTV footage from the store owners.

Please. Cut the bullshit.

[Blue Barrett]

And that's not even mentioning the fact that Louisiana is an open carry state a.k.a Alton Sterling had a right to have a gun on him, innit?

[CBarca]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/03/29/man-fatally-shot-ariz-police-officer-begged-life/82393582/

Unbelievable.

1) That this actually happened
2) That he's being charged for it. Which is good, all things considered. However, for some reason I feel like he's getting charged because the person he shot is white.

I'm curious. If the victim were black, would the officer be terminated and charged?

There is a lot of me that says no.

are you allowed to shoot black people in texas then.

What kind of comment is this? Get outta here.

Like there hasn't been countless cases of unjustified killings of blacks with the officers getting off scot free that's my point. It's fine if you disagree, but it's hard to argue with these facts.

That's not to say that I think the police are always the bad guys, there are a lot of people that paint it that way. I always approach these cases with skepticism, and this most recent incident is no different. Do we know it was a gun in his pocket? If so, just from seeing the video, I side more with the police on this one.

That being said, it's hard to judge from the video, in my opinion.

[CBarca]

They shot him six times? WTF

I watched with the sound off, I didn't really want to watch the video at all.

[Blue Barrett]

They shot him six times? WTF

I watched with the sound off, I didn't really want to watch the video at all.

Three times close range, almost gun to chest. And then like 2-3 secs later when he was bleeding out, they fired another three shots. That was an inexcusable execution.

[Blue Barrett]

Well look at this....ANOTHER one. This is ridiculous. American police are out of control.

https://twitter.com/KingLadyGaga/status/750931249049505793

[FennecFox7]

Good that they're getting on camera. The racist part of America is being exposed. And it won't last.

[FennecFox7]

Did Alton Sterling get shot just because he was selling CDs?

Seriously ?
911 call for an individual matching his (Alton Sterling's) description who threatened someone (911 caller) with a gun.
Police show up
Police confront Sterling
Sterling pinned on back on the ground
Officers see gun in right front pocket
Sterling's right hand is free
Officers tell him not to move
Sterling continues to move his right arm
Officers shoot him

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/national/new-alton-sterling-video-shows-didn-pull-gun-police-article-1.2701540?client=safari#

Link has video of shooting where you can see his right arm moving after being told to freeze.
Why is that important ?
Because
1) call of man threating person with a gun
2) gun is in right front pant pocket
3) right hand is free and moving

Based on those conditions and that he was told to stop moving and continued moving his right arm where the gun was, created  the belief by the officers that they were in fear of their lives or great bodily harm of either themselves or another person including eachother.  You can still shoot a gun while it is in your pocket. Pants dont prevent that.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/06/new-video-shows-alton-sterling-was-not-holding-a-gun-when-baton-rogue-police-killed-him.html

Let me get this straight. Because he was (barely) moving, he deserved to be killed in cold blood with 6 gun shots. He was screaming for mercy. And I've threatened people. People have made me mad, should I just *bleep* die because of it?

I love most of you guys on GL. But we have some real pieces of shit that post here. Ugh.

[Blue Barrett]

Good that they're getting on camera. The racist part of America is being exposed. And it won't last.

In conversations I've had with my African American friends and research I've done online, these things have been happening for decades. It's only coming to the spotlight now because of the help of social media.

I guarantee you if Facebook live streaming wasn't a thing, those cops would have taken her phone and deleted the video or something. Spun the story in their favor.

This guy apparently has a license to carry and he told the cop. Cop told him to show his driver's license and he let the cop know it was in his wallet and he was going to reach for it. And he was shot anyway.

So now what?

What is it about the training they receive that tells them to shoot to kill at the slightest perception of a threat? And this apparently is mostly only applied to black people. It's crazy. For some context, take a look at how violent this guy is and the way the cops handled it (in the right way, I might add). If he was black, there's like a 90% chance he would have been shot and killed by those cops.
https://twitter.com/trillac_/status/750923262733918208

[DuringTheWar]

https://mobile.twitter.com/jesuisturnip/status/750940428946595840/photo/1

Interesting stats. Ok, so when adjusted for population blacks are most likely to suffer death by cop, but then if the Guardian bothered to adjust by crime rate that probably would even out.
I find it amazing that every time the American media vomits out a police brutality story the victim involved is always always black.
Bunch of extreme radicals have managed to completely co-opt and racialise the issue of police brutality for their own purposes. Utter dickheads.

5:20 wow

[Blue Barrett]

@DuringTheWar

So, in your opinion, race has nothing to do with police brutality, right?

[Freeza]

Wow. I knew there was a reason I kept out of this section.

[rincon]

How can one look at that video and justify the cops actions?
2 cops literally on top of a guy shooting him repeatedly on the chest. WTF? Where the two of them not ALREADY pinning him down and disabling him?

"but he could move his arm"

why could he move his arm? why wasn't one of those cops very easily holding/stepping on his arm? why instead of putting handcuffs on him they proceeded to shoot him on the chest at point blank?

Thats just a plain execution, no intention of doing anything else but killing him. And why they did they go on to shoot him 6 times??? self defense? he was already down, shot and bleeding, but you know, lets get 3 extra bullets in him for good measure.

and people defend this...

[Kaladin]

Wow. I knew there was a reason I kept out of this section.

As if Unique's racist ramblings weren't enough

[Adit]

When police becomes more law,judge ,and Constitution. My uncle who lived in U.S for years said U.S soceity is biased against every other ethnic groups except whities.

So you need gun for self defence but police will shoot if they saw gun anyway , especially if you are a black man.

[DuringTheWar]

So, in your opinion, race has nothing to do with police brutality, right?

Oh, is that what you think I've inferred from the fact that American police kill copious amounts of people regardless of race? Gee, you might be onto something there.

[LeVersacci]

So glad I don't live in that disgusting & racist country.

That video

RIP

[Blue Barrett]

So, in your opinion, race has nothing to do with police brutality, right?

Oh, is that what you think I've inferred from the fact that American police kill copious amounts of people regardless of race? Gee, you might be onto something there.

You've obviously never experienced a lick of discrimination in your life before.

Cool.

Answer this question: first thought, what do you think happened to this man?

[DuringTheWar]

I've experienced more persecution than the average person of any race has. I guess that doesn't count because it's due to idiosyncratic circumstances rather than a generic feature of my appearance.

Responding to data and a study that indicates police are less inclined to shoot non-whites, with a picture, is just dumb.

[Blue Barrett]

Whatever persecution you think you've endured in your life is incomparable to being judged and discriminated upon simply because you have more melanin pigmentation. Stop trying to put square pegs in round holes here.

Chances are, you're white. And that's fine. But if you've never experienced racism, don't tell people who have that they don't know what they're talking about. At the very best, that's just plain disrespectful.

[DuringTheWar]

This is hypocritical, considering that despite not knowing anything about me, you've felt it justifiable to project onto me your own ideas of how persecuted I can be as a white guy. Oh, it's also nonsensical as well as it has nothing to do with ascertaining whether or not police brutality is driven by racism. The fact that I'm not black doesn't mean I can't analyse this.

[Blue Barrett]

Spoken like a person who truly has no idea what racism is.

"I'd much rather be judged by for pigmentation by nobodies"

There was a time where they couldn't eat in the same restaurant because of this pigmentation. There was a time they weren't allowed to go to the same schools as white people because of this pigmentation - hence the establishment of historically black colleges, to help educate black people despite the racism in society.

There was a time they couldn't get a job because of their pigmentation(this in turn leads people to turning to crime, and surprised surprise, they'll be judged for doing that too). Even in 2016 it's at the very least twice as hard for a black person to get ahead in corporate America. Some companies will even throw your resume out once they see a stereotypical black name on it. Why? Because of this pigmentation. Police see black teens on the street and automatically profile them as dangerous thugs...why? Because of this pigmentation.

Their communities have even been targeted in the past by the government, injecting the flow of illegal drugs(which will destroy any community of people already finding it hard to get jobs as they'll see it as an easy way out). Don't believe me? Here's an aide of President Richard Nixon (one of the most corrupt presidents in US history) confirming it: http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/

Why? Read the link. It's because of their pigmentation. Easy target, etc.

I can go on and on listing the different ways this pigmentation is used to break down their lives, most of them from when they're just kids. People like you are always the first to say "well, blacks commit more crimes". Oh really? Let's even go with that factually incorrect point of view, why wouldn't they? When all you've done is make it impossible for their communities to come out of poverty for DECADES. First human instinct is survival. ANY human will do what they can to get by when they're backed down.

What you're doing here with your BS ex-military intelligence officers talk is the equivalent of a man going to the funeral of someone who's just died of cancer and screaming "WELL, I HAD LUKEMIA AND I SURVIVED! HE SHOULD HAVE MANNED UP AND BEAT THE CANCER! TOUGH LUCK! WISH I HAD CANCER! THAT'S DEFINITELY EASIER TO DEAL WITH!".

Don't come here peddling your "white persecution" and telling ALL black people to be quiet because of what you think YOU have personally had to deal with. And yes, the fact that you aren't a black person is what's stopping you from seeing the truth (for whatever reason, it's not even hard to see it. I'm not black either). I choose to believe that you're just misinformed, which is why I'm having this discussion with you in the first place.

Oh and for good measure, here's one of many police officers who have acknowledged and spoken out against police brutality towards people of color: https://amp.twimg.com/v/21df490a-3c91-4337-b547-ef49cd498a0e

[DuringTheWar]

Not interested in your emotional ramblings and history lessons I'm not in need of.
If you have any cogent arguments to the points that have been raised, I'll respond to it. For now though, I'm out.

[Blue Barrett]

In other words, you're not interested in being educated on the issue and are only ready to spew what you believe. Got it. Thank you for being honest. We can move on now.

[FennecFox7]

Not interested in your emotional ramblings and history lessons I'm not in need of.
If you have any cogent arguments to the points that have been raised, I'll respond to it. For now though, I'm out.

Pretty hypocritical coming from the guy who shits out paragraphs to argue against me. But okay. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Blue Barrett]

Here are a group of minority NYPD police officers explicitly confirming what we're saying.

https://twitter.com/Urban_Supremacy/status/751146746441371648/video/1


But oh "it has nothing to do with race!!!!"

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