Re: The Official Summer Transfer Rumours Thread

[RealGunner]

ffs Sagna <3333333333333333333

[Wilson37]

Wilson, what are you even talking about?   

The decision to pass on Cesc wasn't because he was too expensive. And you may recall last summer "cheap selling club" Arsenal signed a playmaker who is even better than Cesc, for even more money than Cesc costs. I can't remember the guy's name but you could google it, it's true, I promise.

The inapt comparisons & conclusions doomers jump to ...

playmaker better than Cesc..? lol.. how can u say that after watching last season..? let him have a good season in PL first..
dont jump into conclusions based on assumptions and potentials..

be practical.. forget about the traitor issues or how he left the club.. the point is a worldclass PL proven player was available.. and we passed on the chance to our rivals to sign him..

and dont act like world class players are waiting in queue to sign for Arsenal.. how many wc players are there who we have a genuine chance of signing ? we will wait till the last week saying lame excuses like window is not open, wc has affected market, etc crap.. and end with average players..

i know i am over reacting here.. but i am so disappointed with this decision.. i hope the club has an explanation and prove their point in the transfer window why they did this..

[Jay29]

playmaker better than Cesc..? lol.. how can u say that after watching last season..? let him have a good season in PL first..

We've been over this Ozil stuff before. He went through the majority of the season playing in a team with no pace, and where the team's play was very narrow. Still managed 13 assists, which is the most out of anyone at the club last season. Do you think Cesc would have done any better under the same circumstances?

Lest we forget, one of Cesc's favourite passes was between the centre back and full back to Walcott, Arshavin or Nasri. Another one of his favourite passes was the lofted pass from deep, to players who could actually break the defensive line. Ozil, on the other hand, couldn't play those passes, because Cazorla, Rosicky and Wilshere don't make runs in the same way, and Giroud lacks the pace to play on the shoulder; or he could play those passes but they'd end up in unoccupied space.

Let Ozil play with Walcott and a quick striker all season and you'll forget all about Cesc.

[Mr Nick09]

@Wilson, i understand your frustration but signing players just for the sake of it, is highly unproductive.

Also, people are too hung up on terms like "World class players"... it means nothing at the end of the day. Besides, we arent exactly talking about a guy that has won trophies for Arsenal all on his own... No, he hasnt. actually, i think you need a well rounded and balanced team to achieve that, and signing cesc doesnt make you balanced at all.

You have a good AM in Ozil, understand his characteristics and sign players that fit in with him. Improve your quality out wide with faster more direct attackers. Strenghten your team down the middle to improve your quality in transition and set piece defending. that's how you make a team better.

The only things Cesc would have brought to Arsenal, 1) drama, 2) forcing players outside of their roles because he is not versatile at all, 3) more drama, 4) stop the growth of ozil and ramsey within your squad, 5)even more drama.

[sportsczy]

Cesc is better than Cazorla though... much better. He was being played out of position at Barca the whole time he was there. Again, let's not forget that.

What's more, he's a scorer out of the midfield. His goal totals in last 3 years: 15, 14 and 13. That's the big production he brings. You put Cesc with Ramsey in a midfield and that's a ton of scoring danger. Not many midfielders have that kind of scoring output. His assists during the last 8 years: 16, 23, 15, 19, 17, 20, 12 and 16.

But it's all over now anyhow. I fear he will dominate with Chelsea.

[RealGunner]

Thing is that Cazorla plays at LW for 80-90% of the season. Cesc would never be able to play there.

Player to player Cesc is better but we need Cazorla more than him.

[Mr Nick09]

yeah, it doesnt matter that cesc is better than cazorla, point is not to just collect players. Arsenal are in dire needs of wide men that can score, create separation on the wings and stretch the pitch. That's what they really need. Not another AM that is so tactically limited that he will push other players out of position just so that he can score 10 goals vs canon fodders.

[sportsczy]

Cazorla is meh when he plays on the left.  He ends up in the middle anyhow, so the intial setup doesn't really matter.

@ Nick. My thought was to purchase Cesc and then move Cazorla to a non-rival team. The net outlay would probably be around 10 mil with these two transactions.

[Mr Nick09]

so what does Arsenal do with Ozil and Cesc? which one plays outwide? it doesnt work because both are incompetent scrubs outside of that n10 role behind the CF

[Jay29]

Cesc scores goals by vacating the midfield and moving beyond the forwards; Ramsey scores goals by vacating the midfield and moving beyond the forwards. You can't have both in the same team unless one plays a more disciplined role and in which case, you're not adding any goals to the side, just replacing the ones you've lost.

Also don't forget that Arsenal lost between 15-20 goals in Walcott's absence last season.

[sportsczy]

same thing as they did with Cazorla and Ozil. It's exactly the same. Ozil tends to drift wide naturally... he doesn't stay central. Cazorla/Cesc like to drift to the middle... they're more comfortable being central. Nasri and Cesc played like this together too. It's nothing new.

[sportsczy]

Cesc scores goals by vacating the midfield and moving beyond the forwards; Ramsey scores goals by vacating the midfield and moving beyond the forwards. You can't have both in the same team unless one plays a more disciplined role and in which case, you're not adding any goals to the side, just replacing the ones you've lost.

Also don't forget that Arsenal lost between 15-20 goals in Walcott's absence last season.

Matuidi, Cabaye and Pogba all do that too yet succeed on NT.  Same goes for Pogba/Vidal at Juve.  You read each other's positioning on each play.  It's not unusual or that difficult.

[6unner]

Thing is that Cazorla plays at LW for 80-90% of the season. Cesc would never be able to play there.

Player to player Cesc is better but we need Cazorla more than him.

Completely disagree with that. Go back and re-watch all the games he played in. Cazoral might start here or there but he is so undisciplined that he plays where ever the ball is. Or the tactics he plays are just that messed up.

[urbaNRoots]

Cesc is not nearly as comfortable as Cazorla/Nasri in a wide role, defensively or offensively. You're not helping your own other players by putting slow players in wide positions with one striker. By replacing Cazorla with Cesc, you're changing nothing at all but if you replace him with a proper winger, then you're doing something positive for the team.

It's not about Cazorla, I've said this a few times because he is not expected to start games anymore if Cesc came here or someone else, not regularly atleast.

[Mr Nick09]

Cesc scores goals by vacating the midfield and moving beyond the forwards; Ramsey scores goals by vacating the midfield and moving beyond the forwards. You can't have both in the same team unless one plays a more disciplined role and in which case, you're not adding any goals to the side, just replacing the ones you've lost.

Also don't forget that Arsenal lost between 15-20 goals in Walcott's absence last season.

Matuidi, Cabaye and Pogba all do that too yet succeed on NT.  Same goes for Pogba/Vidal at Juve.  You read each other's positioning on each play.  It's not unusual or that difficult.

the success of the french NT, all due respect but tea bagging the likes of ukrain or jamaica counts for right about 0. And juve get away with a lot in midfield because they have wingbacks and a 3 man defense.

Ozil drifts yes, but his strength is actually in his ability to drift at will. If you force him into a wide position where he cant actually move centrally, you lose everything that's good about his game, his ability to drift from a central position.

There is no way Cesc and Ozil work in the same team Sports.

[windkick]

I agree. Plus Arsenal already have Santi and Ramsey who can back up Ozil should he go down.

Arsenal dont need another midfield maestro that goes forward, they need another guy like Arteta. A guy that can stay back and control. They would be better off trying to go back after Song than for Cesc (from our squad). Not saying they need Song specifically, but you get my point

[6unner]

playmaker better than Cesc..? lol.. how can u say that after watching last season..? let him have a good season in PL first..

We've been over this Ozil stuff before. He went through the majority of the season playing in a team with no pace, and where the team's play was very narrow. Still managed 13 assists, which is the most out of anyone at the club last season. Do you think Cesc would have done any better under the same circumstances?

Yes

Lest we forget, one of Cesc's favourite passes was between the centre back and full back to Walcott, Arshavin or Nasri. Another one of his favourite passes was the lofted pass from deep, to players who could actually break the defensive line. Ozil, on the other hand, couldn't play those passes, because Cazorla, Rosicky and Wilshere don't make runs in the same way, and Giroud lacks the pace to play on the shoulder; or he could play those passes but they'd end up in unoccupied space.

Let Ozil play with Walcott and a quick striker all season and you'll forget all about Cesc.

Agreed, you are correct the current team is not ideal for the tactics that we try to use. In order to play the way that would fit Ozil we need. Actually the tactics in general.

1. LW starter.
2. RW possibly just a backup depending on Walcotts ability to come back.
3. Giroud has VERY limited use with the rest of the team, so a Striker.
4. A RB to replace Sanga.
5. A defense minded box to box replacement for Artetta.
6. Then a GK backup at a minimum.


Basically rebuild the team back the way it was with Cesc. What you think our chances are?

[Raptorgunner]

I honestly glad this is over with now, dont care about Cesc anymore.

All eyes are on Wenger now and lets see what he is going to do?

[Jay29]

We've had this discussion before, so we're just going around in circles at this point. I don't think many would disagree that as an individual player, Cesc is a better player than Cazorla, but Cazorla himself is an excellent player we simply have no need to replace.

Agreed, you are correct the current team is not ideal for the tactics that we try to use. In order to play the way that would fit Ozil we need.

1. LW starter.
2. RW possibly just a backup depending on Walcotts ability to come back.
3. Giroud has VERY limited use with the rest of the team, so a Striker.
4. A RB to replace Sanga.
5. A defense minded box to box replacement for Artetta.
6. Then a GK backup at a minimum.


What you think our chances are?

Wenger has, at least, acknowledged that he needs around that many players. If we go by reports so far than backup keeper, right back and striker are the priorities, so I think we'll definitely sign players for those positions; of what quality I can't really say. I can see us not getting a defensive midfielder and a winger, because it's hard to see him splashing £20mil+ on a defensive midfielder, and a wide player just doesn't appear to be in his thoughts right now.

So at the very least, I think I'll get three of the five players we need. The other two are up in the air.

[djoe26]

How would you guys react if Arsenal buys someone cheaper who plays in the same position as cesc does?

[RealGunner]

Would be a good move as he would be willing to sit on the bench without bitching.

[bloodless]

How would you guys react if Arsenal buys someone cheaper who plays in the same position as cesc does?

My question would be WHY? Please get us a RB, a Striker, a LW, a DM then a GK

we are in dire need of 5 positions, 2 of them are basically a must(GK and RB), 1 is an in your face clear one(ST), then you have DM and LW which is if we want to improve on last year

in all of this a CM, or an AM adds absolutely nothing, in fact a CB is a bigger requirement as we at the moment have only 3!! CB's....

This cesc discussion is shocking, no TRUE arsenal fan can be angling for us to go back for fabregas from a rational point or from an emotional point...It makes no sense, in both areas the numbers just don't add up :S

[urbaNRoots]

I bet we'll be linked with Vrsaljko after Brazil vs Croatia. (If we haven't already)

[boyzis]

What do you guys think of jackson martienez his playing style suits arsenal imo it would be great if we get him ?

[Sina]

he is by No means An Elite striker yet would cost like one[35-40M fee]

[boyzis]

His videos on YouTube good enough

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