The Official Dwayne Wade <<<<<< you thread

Yep, KG def on the list of great great players given scrubs for too long.

T-Mac's 03 Magic gives that list of bums a run for their money though.

DeClercq/Hunter
Juwan Howard/Gooden/Garrity
Stevenson/Bogans
McGrady/Giricek
Lue/ Rod Strickland (37 y.o)

Blue Barrett wrote:KD still in the lead but the gap has been closed. I also don't think he'll be scoring as much as he was now that Westbrook is back.

This should be interesting.

All those people saying the race was over after Durant got hot for a month... Dat 1 month regular season

LeSwagg James wrote:
All those people saying the race was over after Durant got hot for a month... Dat 1 month regular season

Since Dec 1

33ppg/8 boards/6 assists/2 steals

Durant has had 7 games over 40 for the season, Lebron 1.

They have a better record, in a MUCH harder conference and have missed one of the best players in the league for alot of it.

You speak like Durant was hot for a month and did nothing before it.

Just stop it son lol

LeBron was #1 on all the big MVP leader boards up until January though.. ESPN.com and NBA.com (the only ones that matter )

The Franchise wrote:

Durant has had 7 games over 40 for the season, Lebron 1.

They have a better record, in a MUCH harder conference and have missed one of the best players in the league for alot of it.

You speak like Durant was hot for a month and did nothing before it.

Just stop it son lol

He's the leader in the race still, but a lot of people said the race was over and nobody else had a chance.. Which is ridiculous, but it was all because of his January

And like I said, LeBron was the fave up until that point on various MVP rankings.. You even said brought that up yourself, you didn't agree with it but that's what it was

Who cares what the polls say...irrelevant if you asked me. I have no opinion on this because I haven't watched any games this season. You are entitled to think what you want, but please don't tell me you think LeBron is the MVP because of rankings. Just because a lot of people said something doesn't mean people on this forum were saying it. Why do the opinions of those people matter when you are discussing the topic here? Excuse the rant, it's been a long day.

Space Jam 2 is coming. Starring LeBron James.

http://www.deadline.com/2014/02/lebron-james-space-jam-sequel-dick-ebersol/

ranDOM 10 wrote:Who cares what the polls say...irrelevant if you asked me. I have no opinion on this because I haven't watched any games this season. You are entitled to think what you want, but please don't tell me you think LeBron is the MVP because of rankings. Just because a lot of people said something doesn't mean people on this forum were saying it. Why do the opinions of those people matter when you are discussing the topic here? Excuse the rant, it's been a long day.

Maybe because the media decides who wins the MVP?? What they say does have some relevance.. I didn't think he was #1 because of rankings, but the rankings happened to agree with me...

And the Space Jam movie is not happening, sources close to LeBron shot it down already..

Look, I said the MVP race is not over when Lebron fanboys like Gil were. So, no need to convince me of that.

However, we are here to say our opinions, not the media's.

Right now, there are far too many arguments for KD and Lebron has work to do. Your notion of KD only having one month is rather suspect indeed.

The Franchise wrote:Look, I said the MVP race is not over when Lebron fanboys like Gil were. So, no need to convince me of that.

However, we are here to say our opinions, not the media's.

Right now, there are far too many arguments for KD and Lebron has work to do. Your notion of KD only having one month is rather suspect indeed.

Its actually not.

Over the entire course of the season, Lebron has been more consistent than Durant. In November, Durant's numbers weren't better than Harden's while Lebron was posting Shaq level efficiency.

27 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 TOs, 45 FG and 36 3FG 88 FT 59 TS 49 EFG

27 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 3.6 TOs, 61 FG, 40 3FG, 80FT 69TS 65 EFG

KD barely outplayed Lebron in December too. In December, quite a lot of people had Lebron leading the race and KD was not too far removed from Paul George either.

In January, Lebron didn't have a "bad" month, KD was just on a ridiculous tear and led his team to the best record in the league without Westbrook.

Lebron put up 24.6 in December but on about 16 shots a game which led to people saying he was "coasting". The man put up 60 40 80 in November with a TS of 70% mate. Let's be serious. The "distance" KD created in the race was 90% because of his January because tbh they've been pretty even in terms of numbers in February.


Its not far fetched to say KD is in the lead right now because of the ridiculous January he had. That distance has been shortened though and it should make for a tight race since KD isn't going to have as high a usage % as he had now that Russ is back.

Overrall, fact is, KD's numbers will drop because of Westbrook while Lebron keeps putting these 30 pt games together and increasing his stats. If KD can keep being on a tear, then he'll win it. If his numbers drops and the Heat end up having a higher record than OKC while Lebron increases his stats(with the argument of not having Wade for half the season), then Lebron will win it.

That's a VERY possible scenario.

My take:

MVP lol.

OK, thats great.

Let me repeat more facts.

OKC have a better record and has it in the West.

They have that record despite having a worse overall team (than the Heat) and missing their 2nd best player for most of the season. There second best player happens to be a top 10-15 player.

Durant has better numbers.

He has more 30 point games, more (7 times more) 40 point games.

Head to head, Durant outplayed him once, Lebron outplayed him back.

I really dont know what you can say to overcome this, because what you wrote doesnt do it.

You say OKC have a better record in the West like Miami doesn't have a better record against the West than OKC.

Thunder vs the West 26-8....0.765%
Heat vs the West 17-4....0.810%

I don't know how many times Miami have to shit on the West it would take for you lot to drop that argument. We all know Miami have a habit of playing down to their competition. I guarantee you they'd be 2 or 3 games better than they are right now if they were in the West rather than the East.

That argument, as far as I'm concerned, is weak. Overall record is a better argument, and on that Durant has the edge. And it can easily change, especially now that Westbrook can mess up whatever chemistry the other guys had built(at least for a few games). OKC have 4 more wins and one less loss than Miami, having played 4 MORE GAMES. Meanwhile, Miami are a whopping 2 games behind them. That narrative, as I said, can easily change. But Durant has the edge now, so I'll give you that. Just don't mention the East vs West thing. Its weak.

Durant has SOME better numbers(especially scoring), not all. And as I said before, his numbers could very well drop since his usage % is bound to drop now that Westbrook is back.

Having more 30pt games and what not may not matter in the end. Lebron could easily go on that run(already has 5 straight, if I'm not mistaking), afterall he did it for a whole month last year on 60% shooting.

Durant outplayed Lebron in Miami but it wasn't like Lebron had a bad game. Other Heat players just stunk it up so they got blown out. In OKC, Lebron absolutely humiliated Durant! How do you let a guy you're battling the MVP for come to your home floor and score 14 straight buckets on you to start the game and you don't even attempt a single shot? Durant scored 28 in that game but of those 28, about 10 points were in garbage time(if you actually watched the game, you'd know this) when the game was pretty much out of reach for them. From random garbage time shots to phantom fouls(in garbage time too). Oh and let's not forget Lebron had 33 even though he didn't play the last 6 minutes. Could have easily had 40+ on Durant.

Fact is Durant outplayed Lebron in Miami but Lebron completely humiliated Durant in OKC.



I've not said Lebron is in the lead. I've not said its tied either. I still think Durant is in the lead as of now, but my point is that its VERY close now and its getting closer with each game those two play. Lebron was never going to just roll over and let Durant get the MVP without a fight. If anyone thinks Durant is still the "runaway MVP" regardless, they're clearly deluded.

You say OKC have a better record in the West like Miami doesn't have a better record against the West than OKC.

Thunder vs the West 26-8....0.765%
Heat vs the West 17-4....0.810%




So, what your saying is the Heat have been underachieving vs the terrible East conference. Well, that's really impressive.

Also, sample size.....Thunder have played 34 games vs West....Heat, 21....thats 13 more games. Very significant.


I don't know how many times Miami have to shit on the West it would take for you lot to drop that argument.


When they played the same amount of games maybe?




We all know Miami have a habit of playing down to their competition. I guarantee you they'd be 2 or 3 games better than they are right now if they were in the West rather than the East.



Speculation. Fantasy speculation at that.

That argument, as far as I'm concerned, is weak. Overall record is a better argument, and on that Durant has the edge.


Yes it is and OKC do have that edge, end of, when it changes we can change our opinion.



And it can easily change, especially now that Westbrook can mess up whatever chemistry the other guys had built(at least for a few games).



You realise, with Westbrook they have a better record than without, yes?




OKC have 4 more wins and one less loss than Miami, having played 4 MORE GAMES. Meanwhile, Miami are a whopping 2 games behind them. That narrative, as I said, can easily change. But Durant has the edge now, so I'll give you that. Just don't mention the East vs West thing. Its weak.


Again, when it changes, thus our opinion will to. And no, its not weak...harder conference = more losses. Pretty routine logic.




Durant outplayed Lebron in Miami but it wasn't like Lebron had a bad game. Other Heat players just stunk it up so they got blown out. In OKC, Lebron absolutely humiliated Durant! How do you let a guy you're battling the MVP for come to your home floor and score 14 straight buckets on you to start the game and you don't even attempt a single shot? Durant scored 28 in that game but of those 28, about 10 points were in garbage time(if you actually watched the game, you'd know this) when the game was pretty much out of reach for them. From random garbage time shots to phantom fouls(in garbage time too). Oh and let's not forget Lebron had 33 even though he didn't play the last 6 minutes. Could have easily had 40+ on Durant.


Fanboyism alert. Lebron was getting crossed and all sorts, he got scored on at will.

Humilated :lol:Calm down lad. Durant hit more shots over Lebron than vice versa. Have some perspective, or try to remove Lebron's jock strap from in front of your eyes.


If anyone thinks Durant is still the "runaway MVP" regardless, they're clearly deluded.

Noone said that, so your arguing with yourself.

The only reason there is an argument you jumped into, was the notion that Durant has played good for a month and thats all the logic behind him being in the lead, according to Swag. Nothing more or less.[/quote]
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Love triple double. Only Utah, but still. For me, best in the game at the 4.

Nets sign Collins to a 10 day contract   ...

I don't think we touched on this topic, or maybe I missed it but what do you guys think about an openly gay player in the NBA?

I really don't give a shit tbh, the only thing that would bother me is a gay team-mate possibly seeing me naked and then going home and beating off to that image or some shit like that.. But competition wise I don't have a problem with it really, I don't think they'll be grabbing opposing players in inappropriate places during post ups and stuff etc

I love watching the Clippers

Can't see them even getting to the West finals because the lack in too many different areas despite the obvious improvement from the coaching of Doc Rivers.

But they are so good to watch, especially when CP3 is fit and firing.

The Franchise wrote:You say OKC have a better record in the West like Miami doesn't have a better record against the West than OKC.

Thunder vs the West 26-8....0.765%
Heat vs the West 17-4....0.810%




So, what your saying is the Heat have been underachieving vs the terrible East conference. Well, that's really impressive.

Also, sample size.....Thunder have played 34 games vs West....Heat, 21....thats 13 more games. Very significant.

The Heat have had a worse record against East teams in the past 3 years, so the East being terrible this year doesn't change that. 80% of their losses come against team below .500 and its not just this year. Its been a trend the past 3 years so its nothing new. It makes no sense that that should happen, but it does happen so yeah.

I don't know how many times Miami have to shit on the West it would take for you lot to drop that argument.


When they played the same amount of games maybe?

That will never happen obviously. What we have to judge is the win % which is a fact, and the facts say that Miami have a habit of beating West teams pretty well. Its not like they're beating on weak East teams and losing games to "strong" West teams. If they were in the West, I'm sure they'd handle the competition pretty well. Get over it.

We all know Miami have a habit of playing down to their competition. I guarantee you they'd be 2 or 3 games better than they are right now if they were in the West rather than the East.



Speculation. Fantasy speculation at that.

Heat vs teams below .500 ==> 24-10(0.706%) vs teams above .500 ==> 15-4(0.789%)

How is that fantasy speculation? I've watched most Heat games over the past few ways(I'd like to think I watch a lot more Heat games than you) and I can tell you that is a fact. They don't play nearly as hard against scrub teams as they do against top teams. The only periods that were exceptions were in the 10-11 season when they wanted to get the 2 seed ahead of Orlando and were just trying to win as many games as possible after the horrible start to the season. And of course last season during the 27 game win streak. They could have easily had a 70 win season last year if they had even tried half as much during November and December of that season.

Those are facts.

And it can easily change, especially now that Westbrook can mess up whatever chemistry the other guys had built(at least for a few games).



You realise, with Westbrook they have a better record than without, yes?

In terms of chemistry, I'm saying letting Durant being the primary ball handler, running the team and what not. Of course they're a better team with Westbrook, but you won't see Durant doing as much as he was. You certainly won't see him having 11 straight 30pt games, I can guarantee you that.

OKC have 4 more wins and one less loss than Miami, having played 4 MORE GAMES. Meanwhile, Miami are a whopping 2 games behind them. That narrative, as I said, can easily change. But Durant has the edge now, so I'll give you that. Just don't mention the East vs West thing. Its weak.


Again, when it changes, thus our opinion will to. And no, its not weak...harder conference = more losses. Pretty routine logic.

Except everything is not white and black, but maybe you choose to label them fantasy speculation so I can understand where you're coming from. Still weak, but its your opinion so its all good.

Durant outplayed Lebron in Miami but it wasn't like Lebron had a bad game. Other Heat players just stunk it up so they got blown out. In OKC, Lebron absolutely humiliated Durant! How do you let a guy you're battling the MVP for come to your home floor and score 14 straight buckets on you to start the game and you don't even attempt a single shot? Durant scored 28 in that game but of those 28, about 10 points were in garbage time(if you actually watched the game, you'd know this) when the game was pretty much out of reach for them. From random garbage time shots to phantom fouls(in garbage time too). Oh and let's not forget Lebron had 33 even though he didn't play the last 6 minutes. Could have easily had 40+ on Durant.


Fanboyism alert. Lebron was getting crossed and all sorts, he got scored on at will.

Humilated :lol:Calm down lad. Durant hit more shots over Lebron than vice versa. Have some perspective, or try to remove Lebron's jock strap from in front of your eyes.

He crossed Lebron once. Stop exaggerating. Paul George has crossed Lebron before as well. So has Chris Paul. And Kobe. And Rose. And Kyrie. And Wall. And Crawford.

Going into the 4th, Durant had 26 and Lebron had 25. Difference is, OKC players were hitting shots from all over the court. Fisher & Lamb draining threes with defenders all over them. They set a franchise record for 17 threes in that game while Miami role players couldn't throw the ball in the ocean. The game was pretty much lost at that point, but it wasn't by any means Lebron's fault. He hung in there with Durant even though Durant ended up outplaying him. Nowhere near as bad as what happened on Thursday though.

I'm a fanboy when I give you the exact rundown of how it went but then you turn around and choose to ignore every other thing in the first game and get to saying Durant hit more shots over Lebron. When we're talking about outplaying, we're not talking about direct head to head guarding each other since we know both teams throw different defenders(Battier, Tsefelosha, Ibaka, Bosh, etc) at both players for decent stretches of the game. We're talking about the entire game as a whole.

But let's forget all of that and say I'm a fanboy

If anyone thinks Durant is still the "runaway MVP" regardless, they're clearly deluded.

Noone said that, so your arguing with yourself.

The only reason there is an argument you jumped into, was the notion that Durant has played good for a month and thats all the logic behind him being in the lead, according to Swag. Nothing more or less.

That argument, as I said, is still valid to a large extent. If Durant had a 27/7/6 on 50% January, you think people would have crowned him MVP? Its not rocket science. He was in the lead with some distance mainly because of the ridiculous tear he had in January(which was a historical run) and as I've pointed out, he was nothing out of the ordinary in November and December. You haven't made a point against this but if you still want to hold on to the fact that this point is baseless, then sure.[/quote]
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Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I love watching the Clippers

Can't see them even getting to the West finals because the lack in too many different areas despite the obvious improvement from the coaching of Doc Rivers.

But they are so good to watch, especially when CP3 is fit and firing.

They're a MUCH better team with Reddick. They better hope he's healthy for the playoffs at least.

Greg Oden starting for Miami today

Blue Barrett wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I love watching the Clippers

Can't see them even getting to the West finals because the lack in too many different areas despite the obvious improvement from the coaching of Doc Rivers.

But they are so good to watch, especially when CP3 is fit and firing.

They're a MUCH better team with Reddick. They better hope he's healthy for the playoffs at least.

Agree with that, my fantasy team has missed him a lot too   

Crawford went off tonight though 36 points from 20 shots (13-20 to be exact)

He needs to stop looking for 4pt plays on every 3 he takes

True

Its amazing how close he gets to being fouled on a lot of 3s though lol.

I don't think anyone else in the league gets fouled as much as he does from 3 and if they do they play for teams i don't watch.

Miami is looking really good for that final stretch..