Re: True Detective || HBO

by Andrew Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:16 am

I was hoping for Joaquin Phoenix or James Franco Mad

by El Gunner Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:06 am

^^There'll still be a season 3 I hope.

by Peccadillo Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:29 am

Hapless_Hans wrote:So.. I FINALLY managed to watch the end of it.

I had interrupted watching it in real time weekly after episode 5, at the point of being MAXIMALLY HOOKED, as I wanted to see the rest in one piece and then didn't get to it until now.

My reception might have to do something with this timing, but is anyone else too very dissappointed with the way they wrapped the thing up in the last two episodes?

I had the feeling of the show completely imploding in episode 7, everything they built up for me was rapidly deflating from the point where old Marty and Rust teamed up again to 'finish what they left undone'.
Now the final episode was well done again as a matter of execution, but then for me the damage was already done.

When before it was slow burning, with clues and discoveries coming and occurring incidentally, around corners and not straightforwardly, which made the whole thing so immensely suspenseful and interesting, suddenly it was all going rapidly and directly.

Like:
Go to the distant cousin guy, ask him about the scar-faced man, and he says "weird you would ask, yes I know him and as a matter of fact he ALWAYS looked funny at me"

Then go to the old black housekeeper ("how again did we find this woman" - "oh I checked this and this database" - "Great work Marty" ..) and she tells them he's a grandson and has a fit at the name Carcose etc.

Both checking in front of the computer, "name's Childress" - "like the SHERRIFF" - "Yes EXACTLY"
Please. That's too easy. That's like your regular cop show where viewers are expected to pay not too close attention and therefore everything has to be spelled out.

Everything falling into place, the relationship between Marty and Rust becoming simple best cop buddies again, Marty resolving stuff with his family, Rust finding religion and the after-life.
"The light is winning"

WTF! What is this shit!

Then the whole narrative structure with the two black cops and everything being narratively ambivalent, or suspicious, just dissolving into thin air.
The whole conspiracy in the end is just the one villain guy in his house, Tuttle gets disposed off in a simple straightforward flashback.

I feel like the makers couldn't pass the bar they had set up for themselves, and had much too little time to wrap it all up.

Feel really dissapointed.

Now please don't complain that I criticize the GOAT show, I wouldn't do so if I hadn't been utterly intrigued by it and expected more of it than your regular crime show.
Until episode 5 the thing was *bleep* FANTASTIC.

Of course I'm still looking forward to next season

Sorry I know I'm a bit late to the table... but what a fkn season that was.

I can re-watch that about 10 times I reckon. That Ep4 scene made me jizz a bit.

How do we feel about the ending? The vortex that Cohle see's before Childress attacks?

I don't agree that Cohle necessarily even "found religion".

I personally liked that it dabbled in the supernatural.. It didn't attempt to really define it, just enough to ensure it changed Cohle. In my opinion it also didn't really imply that what had occurred was a reality, Childress did not acknowledge the vortex for example at all.. You can interpret Cohles experience as reality, or simply in his own mind - metaphysical - which is all "religion" has ever truly been anyway, no? There is no empirical truth.. does that make it any less real?

If you didn't feel moved by Cohle crying outside the hospital, believing he felt as though he was in the presence of his daughter, even for a brief second.. well that's on you.. The biggest shock to me was that Cohle didn't die though - when he kept repeating that he "shouldn't be here", I was tempted to agree.

I must admit I was left wanting a bit more, after ep7 I knew there was no way they couldn't rush the ending a little bit. I think a 10 show series would have been better, the first 3 episodes were fantastic but also very slow in developing the story.. a lot of character building, which I loved - but maybe too much if it HAD to be an 8 episode series.

Saying this, I do know what you mean about it ending with just a single villain... the yellow king... I understand how that seemed a slight anti-climax to the larger conspiracy of high-placed members being part of this satanic/pagan/call it what you will cult.

I agree with you about the way they found Childress.. The green house.. the distant cousin.. it almost could have almost been Gilbough and Papania that found him using the case files and from interviews with Marty and Cohle.. I think the ending was a bit rushed, I used to read a lot of detective books like Blocks scudder mysteries and understand why you feel it was a bit of a cop out.

But its forgivable imo because as you know.. a good detective story should always leave questions unanswered anyway, and rarely does the book ever get fully closed on a case like that. Marty summed it up by saying; 'We ain't going to (find the others involved). This ain't that kind of world.'

by RealGunner Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:43 pm

The series was more about the adventures of Cohle and Marty rather than the mystery itself which was secondary. They wanted to show the route rather than the destination and that itself was magnificently done. Everyone who loved this show loved it because of the two characters, or more specially because of Matthew McConaughey's character. I can understand why people thought it was a cop out towards the end, but for me they showed what they wanted to and just ended up in a straight way possible. It was a great mystery despite that. Left us guessing for ages and making all sorts of theories lol.

Regarding the last episode. Cohle had this ideology that death is the end of all things. He lived his life based on nihilistic and cynic principles and he really didn't care if he died or not. For him, he wanted death but he never got it. The vortex was his death and he was looking right at it, but at the final moment he realised his philosophy was wrong. I am not sure why but my theory is that he realised life keeps on giving him chances. It goes back to his daughter being killed and maybe he thought that even if his daughter isn't there, he can do enough good in this world to prevent other daughters being killed or victimised. The vortex was a way of showing that no matter how much he doesn't care about death, it really is the end of all things and he wasn't done with this world. If life was giving him chances, then there was a reason for it because ultimately he WAS a good guy. It's the same thing Marty realised as well when he saw his family at the hospital.

I have my doubts for season 2. Speaking for myself, I doubt anyone would be able to match the character of Cohle. The story will be good itself because it's HBO afterall but the standard they have set in season 1 with characters, the settings. It will be one heck of a job to match that.

by Peccadillo Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:51 am

Interesting take on the finale RG.

Agreed that McConaughey and Harrelson absolutely nailing both characters is what made the show truly great. Cohles character is one the audience will naturally be drawn to being the more intelligent and complex of the two. Harrelson plays the idiot in many parts - "Whats scented meat?".

I just loved the landscape shots of Louisiana, the soundtrack, the stylish cinematography... the opening credits/song were also probably the best I've seen in a TV series.

That's one thing that will almost certainly continue in Season 2!

I don't disagree with Hans about the ending, it felt rushed and a lot of earlier clues went ignored and some things just seemed unnecessary, like the Sherriff (former cop) being held.. and earlier clues that Martys daughter may have gotten involved somehow

It would be interesting to see whether these were intentional red herrings or just plot holes.

by Valkyrja Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:34 pm

Is it worth watching ? Is it better than Fargo ?

by Firenze Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:35 pm

Valkyrja wrote:Is it worth watching ? Is it better than Fargo ?

yes on both counts

by Onyx Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:37 pm

Fargo was better imo. More action, more direct and more suspense etc etc. TD is a good show, however it's more about the dialogue than the actual storyline. Plus there's not much action. Just depends on preference.

by Hapless_Hans Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:55 pm

Peccadillo wrote:
I must admit I was left wanting a bit more, after ep7 I knew there was no way they couldn't rush the ending a little bit. I think a 10 show series would have been better, the first 3 episodes were fantastic but also very slow in developing the story.. a lot of character building, which I loved - but maybe too much if it HAD to be an 8 episode series.

Saying this, I do know what you mean about it ending with just a single villain... the yellow king... I understand how that seemed a slight anti-climax to the larger conspiracy of high-placed members being part of this satanic/pagan/call it what you will cult.

I agree with you about the way they found Childress.. The green house.. the distant cousin.. it almost could have almost been Gilbough and Papania that found him using the case files and from interviews with Marty and Cohle.. I think the ending was a bit rushed, I used to read a lot of detective books like Blocks scudder mysteries and understand why you feel it was a bit of a cop out.

But its forgivable imo because as you know.. a good detective story should always leave questions unanswered anyway, and rarely does the book ever get fully closed on a case like that. Marty summed it up by saying; 'We ain't going to (find the others involved). This ain't that kind of world.'

Yeah. My main dissapointment I think is about the timing, the rushing, the way the story seemed to be canalized from episode 6 in order to be able to be 'completed', where as before it was meandering and natural flowing.
Episode 7 just killed my vibe, and that's maybe a reason I wasn't kindly receiving of the last episode even though it was a good episode.
I just feel very strongly that the season, all in all, ended much worse than it started, and that annoys me, for selfish reasons, as I loved how I was entertained by it until I wasn't that much anymore.

I guess I'll watch it again at some point, maybe in the run up to next season, and then I'll maybe be able to formulate more clearly what bothered me about the way the story, and the characters, went.

I think it mainly has to do with all the complexities, dark sides, and tensions that were built up between Marty and Rust, only to end in a kind of typical, unbroken buddy cop relation in the end.
Whereas before everything was twisted, or at least hinted at being twisted.

by McAgger Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:18 am

Rachel McAdams rumors going on as the lead :bow:

I love her, yes please.

by Freeza Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:22 am

Rachel McAdams pls Proud

by McAgger Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:25 am

HBO programming director Michael Lombardo revealed a handful of details about the new season of True Detective Thursday, but he didn't disclose who would be starring in the second season of Nic Pizzolatto's series.

"We’re going to start shooting in September for it to air next summer," Lombardo told an audience at the Edinburgh TV Festival, confirming various plot details about the show. "[It has] different characters, a different setting. It’s set in California, all of California. There are three cops. One of the characters is female. I think that’s probably all I’m allowed to say. We’ll probably be announcing casting soon."

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So the talk about New Orleans and the transportation system rumors were way off.

I like the idea of 3 cops. Hopefully McAdams is the female role and not Moss.

The male roles rumors so far have been Collin Ferrel, Taylor Kitsch, Vince Vaughn.

by RealGunner Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:43 pm

Summer 2015? that's a long time away.

by M99 Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:25 pm

Yeah it will apparently start airing right after the week Game Of Thrones ends. And where did you see the New Orleans rumour? It was rumoured pretty early on that it will be set in California and focus on transport between North and Southern California.

by Hapless_Hans Sun Sep 07, 2014 7:05 pm

hoping for 50 season in 50 states cheers

by Freeza Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:57 pm

Colin Farrell confirmed

by RealGunner Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:42 pm

HBO confirms Vince Vaughn & Colin Farrell as leads in #TrueDetective Season 2

by TalkingReckless Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:14 pm

Farrell i get and i love that
but Vince.... wtf

by Dante Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:45 pm

i think , in my humble opinion , the two of them are a great choice and will make a hell of a pair. I expect some dark humor lines along the way too , In Bruges style, kind of . The funny lines of the first season shared a similar nature and i think these two will add an even darker note to the already precious little humour lines there are supposed to be in a show like this. I expect a great True Detective season and i am more than happy to see C.Farrel and V.Vaughn as the leading pair.

Damn , i may be more hyped for this than even GOT ffs .

by RED Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:53 pm

I don't see a problem with the casting. Farrell is a decent actor, especially when it comes to dramas and Vince, even though he has a rep for being in comedies, has done a lot of dark sinister type movies in the past(check his imdb). He will do well.

by Freeza Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:21 pm

God I love this place. Only place on the whole internet I've responses to castings that weren't cringeworthy. A lot of people don't understand that the roles they've been casted in probably has similar traits to the characters that Vince Vaughn and Colin Farrell has excelled in, in the past. Colin Farrell has been borderline great every time he's been in a crime film, so this is def his genre, if there is some dark humour in it, since he's hilarious at times.

by M99 Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:43 pm

Also confirmed, Justin Lin of Fast and Furious will direct the first two episodes.

by Hapless_Hans Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:58 pm

Fast & Furious wtf. Vince Vaughn and Colin Farrell.. hmmm..

Interesting. I can see Vaughn play a *bleep* up guy very well somehow, since he's often played the more *bleep* up characters in comedies too.

Colin Farrell I used to hate, but don't anymore. If used right he might work.
Loved him in Cassandra's dream where he's playing a pathetic loser, not so much in movies where he's trying to be cool though.

by McLewis Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:06 pm

Only one of them is the protagonist reportedly.

Farrell is the detective. Vaughn will play the sinister drug kingpin who controls him.

by M99 Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:13 pm

Cast:

by Hapless_Hans Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:17 pm

well, why the hell not. As long as the writing is good, the cast will perform.

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