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Post by messixaviesta Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:12 pm

I will share something with you all that you may find shocking.

Some time back dani and I were discussing and we both had one common opinion that could sound like sacrilege. We felt that the transfer of Fabregas was even worse than the transfer of Ibrahimovic. This is because the latter transfer lost us a lot of money and perhaps affected one season a little negatively but the former transfer has around ten minus points associated with it, will continue to hurt us for a long time and will adversely affect our future. It's what is called SLOW POISON. This poison was taking effect for a long time and last night it delivered arguably it's heaviest blow so far.

BTW where is dani? On our darkest day since the Bayern hammering he is not here with us! Neither is kizz here. Nor alfred. Nor cat. Nor alex. So many others. Is everyone in mourning?

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Post by neuro11 Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:09 pm

Everyone is mourning....lolz....
I was wondering who could have thought just a few months ago that Thiago is going to leave Barca in recent future let alone in couple of months time.....
The worst thing is not his leaving but the reaction of board with the incident. It seems it is something very normal and so does not bother them at all. i am now convinced that the board did not try enough to keep him (even though i thought its difficult) at all. Honestly whom would you choose as your coach - someone who admire you openly and seems have faith on your talent or someone who is silent and treat you no special. Even though i am angry with thiago, i just cant be when think deeply..

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Post by CBarca Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:20 pm

Dani is very busy with work. Other than that I think he has fairly limited access to a computer (not sure on that point). Either way, he's popped on a few times but with no regularity.

On the Fabregas transfer, I completely agree. I've been opposed to it from the beginning of the saga and I'm opposed to it now. It's brought nothing but trouble.
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Post by The_Badger Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:27 pm

Everyone hyped up Thiago but he never delivered when given the opportunity.

At least Cesc offered something, but still couldn't win over the haters because he decided to leave and join Arsenal when he was younger and get s branded a traitor by people with no understanding of the word.

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Post by messixaviesta Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:50 pm

neuro, excellent comments from you. You hit the nail on the head by elaborating on the attitude of the board. Seriously from the way the board has handled this it seems like they are quite happy with this transfer.

CB, thanks for the information.


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Post by BarcaLearning Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:10 pm

I dont understand this Cesc bid, it just doesnt make sense, as if we would let both him and Thiago go? Lol?
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Post by Donuts Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:38 pm

if we sell Cesc 50% of the money will go to Arsenal... soo unless they offer 60-80m I wouldn't sell especially with our lack of midfielders now.
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Post by danyjr Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:23 pm

messixaviesta wrote:
danyjr wrote: I expect it will be fixed, in 1-2 years time, after too much damage is done and everything is exposed.

May happen. As I have said before I expect the forthcoming season to be a complete disaster like 2007-08 and next summer everything will change with even the Rosell board likely dissolved. After that we will rebuild but whether it will be successful who knows. We will need to find another Pep and that's much easier said than done. At this point in time though I see very little reason for hope if at all. Also if the disaster that I have predicted really happens then one thing is for sure and that is that Cruyff will skin Rosell.

Indeed, prepare for a revolution, much like 2007-08 but potentially more significant. Tito to be shown the door, he really doesn't deserve to coach an elite club as he's an average coach with less than average charisma. But more importantly Rosell and his team will be kicked out and their name will never be associated with the club again. I also expect the future Barcelona board to find out discrepancies in Barcelona's account resulting in (yet another) financial overhaul.

Sorry to say this but I foresee a very tough 2013-14 campaign for your club.
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Post by sportsczy Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:28 pm

Donuts wrote:if we sell Cesc 50% of the money will go to Arsenal... soo unless they offer 60-80m I wouldn't sell especially with our lack of midfielders now.
That's for any amount over the fee Arsenal received. Up to that number, i think Barca get to keep it all. ALso, Arsenal have first right of refusal so they can match anyone.
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Post by Donuts Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:04 pm

the funny thing is, our board are probably still jerking each other off over getting Neymar while not realizing the real problems in our team.
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Post by The_Badger Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:05 pm

BarcaLearning wrote:I dont understand this Cesc bid, it just doesnt make sense, as if we would let both him and Thiago go? Lol?

Apparently Rosell is a fool so why would you be surprised? Very Happy

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Post by danyjr Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:19 pm

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:54 pm

I wouldn't mind selling Fabregas tbh, even without Thiago.
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Post by kabarca Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:38 am

I think patience is key with Fabregas,he is going into his third season and he is not a new payer anymore and he'll be under less pressure to preform and he can still learn to adjust and alter his game,I dont think he was THAT bad and he's more than a capable cover and imo Fabregas is a perfect supersub for the last 20 minutes when we are need soemthing different and are unable to score. No one can deny that on his day he is one of the top 5 midfielders in the world and if he can improve his consistency and learn from xavi,iniesta and busquets on awareness and positioning then he'll be one of the most important players on the team.

Although that being said if Fabregas goes and is replaced by Gundogan,i'll be extremly happy but I thought madrid have first choice on Gundogan?
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Post by Donuts Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:40 am

I think we need Cesc just in case Iniesta gets another serious injury.
Without cesc and thiago S.Roberto will just have too much on his plate for such a young player.
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Post by danyjr Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:40 am

Madrid have no special deals with BVB :coffee: 
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Post by Donuts Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:32 am

if were not going to buy a center back we should atleast invest in a keeper.. with Valdes leaving and all.
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Post by CBarca Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:54 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:I wouldn't mind selling Fabregas tbh, even without Thiago.

As long as he's replaced that's going back to solving one of our worst problems, in which case I agree wholeheartedly.

Sold at the right price, of course. I'd take E20 million for Fabregas though.
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Post by MadridiCanada Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:24 am

valbuena is linked with u guys
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Post by The_Badger Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:47 am

MadridiCanada wrote:valbuena is linked with u guys

Bit short for a centre back. Very Happy

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Post by messixaviesta Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:38 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:I wouldn't mind selling Fabregas tbh, even without Thiago.

alfred, strange that I am saying this but now we can't sell Fabregas. The sale of Thiago anyway confirms that the board wants to keep Fabregas no matter what. If they weren't 100% determined to keep Fabregas retaining Thiago would almost have been a piece of cake by making Fabregas available for sale. Anyway that's the board. Now coming to my view. Quite simply I don't want to sell him because we are already holding one begging bowl for a defender and selling him would mean having to hold another for a midfielder. It's just becoming too intolerable for a Barca fan. Get a center back from somewhere somehow and bid this accursed transfer window good bye.

As for those who are saying sell him and replace with a more suitable player if we really wanted to replace him why would we let Thiago go? Do the board really feel there are a good number of players available in the market of the kind that would suit us and that they are all better than Thiago? It doesn't make much sense. Let me say this definitively. The rumours will continue but Fabregas is going nowhere at least this summer. Guillem Ballague said this very clearly a few weeks back.


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Post by messixaviesta Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:09 pm

So after selling Thiago if we are indeed chasing Valbuena then once again the Dutch master was absolutely right. Cruyff said months back that the present board does not understand the ethos of Barcelona and they do their best to prove him right every single day.


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Post by neuro11 Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:10 pm

adding to messixaviesta, don forget we are also going to loose our No. 1 keeper and need to replace him with a world class keeper.
Now you sell Cesc, that will be to cover every area with a world class player.....even if you have money like M. City there are just not enough players to buy in one market.....

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Post by The_Badger Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:57 pm

Why don't Barca sell Valdes this summer? Rather than lose him for nothing next year?

He's made it clear that he is leaving so why not make some money from it?

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Post by Donuts Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:34 pm

Because barcelona have shown that they need a good 2+ seasons to actually buy someone we need in the present day.
We've been selling for peanuts and buying a forward (the last thing we need now)
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Post by CBarca Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:07 pm

Buying a forward was not the last thing we needed right now. Against the best teams our offense was embarrassing and someone to help Messi out up front who wasn't completely useless was something that needed to get done. Props getting that done, but now we need to move to other areas.

Defense is arguably an even higher priority that has failed to be addressed yet. It needs to be quickly.

I don't know if someone said this just a bit ago, but never underestimate the value of a good preseason for players to get settled and into a rhythm with their team mates. Especially in a team like Barca. Some players can slot right in, yes. Some have more trouble, that's what the preseason is for.

Unfortunately the board doesn't see it that way I guess and are waiting a bit longer than needed...

If only I could tell them to take a look at Tottenham. Levy is infamous for his deadline day deals. Dempsey took until December to properly fit in. Holtby came in the January window and didn't fit right in. If either of them had a proper preseason it's arguable things would have been a lot more smooth for both (obviously Holtby's case is different but it works here)
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