Barcelona fielding 11 players ALL from their youth ranks

Gil wrote:The benefits of spending £20m p/y on their academy and being able to handpick any youth player from any academy in a nation going through their golden generation.

Amazing and I wish this eventually happens with my club BUT I think what Dortmund have done with Reus, Gotze, Hummels etc is slightly more impressive.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:As previously noted Barca spend 8-10m p/year on the academy and another 10-12m p/year on Barca B, a professional football club that plays in 2nd division.

In any case spending 20M p/year is still better than spending 30M on a back-up LB.

Surag wrote:

Phritz wrote:For comparison, Arsenal spend 3€ million a year and still have a respectable amount of academy starters.

Except the difference in quality is all there to see.

Dnmac4 wrote:This is the most hilarious post I have ever seen in my time on this board. I mean seriously to all the people trying to find fault with this please put them on your ignore list fellow Barca fans as nothing Barca does will ever be good enough.

The funniest part of there argument is them saying how much our academy costs blah blah blah and then comparing it to other clubs who spend tons of money on players and they just forget that those other teams while spending tons of money have youth academies too that cost lots of money each year and produce jack shit.

There acting like there is a negative side to this for some insane reason that makes no sense as every big club has and spends a good amount of money on there own youth systems. It's just they don't get much Return On Investment for there youth systems so they have to try and find negatives to this.

Haters will always be haters. It's in there blood and there eyes are green with envy. IT doesn't matter that we started a CL final with 8 youth team players or in one generation produced 3 of the 5 best players in the world.

They say well it's not sustainable so it's not good and while they probably wont produce 3 of the top 5 players in the world again and as posters say we can't produce Xaviesta every generation I think they forget in the same generation they produced Fabregas, Arteta, Thiago, Busquets, Thiago Motta which any top team would be jumping for joy to have produced but since there not the top 5 players in the world it's some how discounted and our system can't be duplicated.

A lot of top teams in the world would kill for that midfield and it has nothing to do with Xavi or Iniesta.

Or the fact that La Masia not only produced Victor Valdes but Pepe Reina too in the same generation.

And the depth in attacking talent is there as well with Messi, Pedro, Bojan, Tello, Cuenca, etc etc

I mean the story is out there and everyone has heard it where Guardiola (a La Masia grad) is talking to Xavi telling him you will replace me and that kid out there (Iniesta) will replace you.

Or that Spain won there first ever world cup with 7 players from La Masia and 6 in the starting lineup.

There is every indication that La Masia is sustainable and will be for years to come and for those people throwing figures out there about the cost and lack of sustainability well why don't you put all the numbers in your calculations.

What if we actually sold our best players La Masia produced? We can't even put a figure to that because we have no clue how much Messi, Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Thiago, Busquets etc etc would cost but it would be a ton of cash. A figure you can't even imagine.

So please haters find something else to hate Barca for. With Rosell in charge there is plenty you can choose to hate on but this is just petty and well for lack of a better word a stupid thing to think is a negative or hate on.

And to sit here and tell me there is no value in having a youth system that plays the same style and system the senior team plays with is such a joke. There was just a big article on how Madrid plays a totally different style for there youth then what there senior team plays and how much a negative that is and Mou and there youth coach both commented on it.

Sure teams can buy players there is nothing wrong with it, but to sit here and tell me that is better then having a player come through your system having played your style of football since they were 14 years old and pay very little to no transfer fee is just a bad statement.

Hate if you want but football won today.

baresi wrote:So what ppl have been arguing about in this thread is not far from reality, if we take away 105M which is Messi, because Messi is simply not a player you get every other day. Then that leaves you in -ve.

Now factor in how much you also spent in the market, and compare that to RM figures, if Barca figures are still favorable, then yes it has its financial benefits.

If not, I still say it is a better system than buying ready made players, but not for financial reasons. Thats all.

Another question I have, why did Barca let go of Fabregas in the first place? Can it be related to the question No.3?

barca 2011 wrote:

baresi wrote:So what ppl have been arguing about in this thread is not far from reality, if we take away 105M which is Messi, because Messi is simply not a player you get every other day. Then that leaves you in -ve.

Now factor in how much you also spent in the market, and compare that to RM figures, if Barca figures are still favorable, then yes it has its financial benefits.

If not, I still say it is a better system than buying ready made players, but not for financial reasons. Thats all.

Another question I have, why did Barca let go of Fabregas in the first place? Can it be related to the question No.3?

This has already been answered (in this thread even). Its because at 16 you cannot sign a pro contract in Spain but in England you can, so he chose Arsenal.

eelir wrote:I do not have answer to tother questions. Probably change in the system they run things. Perhaps they invest more in scouting now than a sheer amount of cadets. Perhaps free can answer these questions?

And I too agree, other benefits are more important. I also agree economic gain is not that big, but I think it exists.

danyjr wrote:Don't understand your over-emphasis on financial aspects alone. Are you a shareholder who would benefit from club profit or are you Gazidis laughing at all Arsenal fans who pay £1000+ for a season ticket, watching their team trophyless for a decade?

I have already written a relatively long post about the benefits of the system, many of which are financially beneficial in an indirect way.

All I can say is that management of a club is much deeper than what you make it out to be. Money isn't everything and certainly your short-term approach is much less likely to succeed in the long run, both financially and in a sporting aspect. At the end of the day, you might get lucky to have a millionaire to buy every player you want but that does not bring you success per se. Most teams wish they could play like Barça or Spain, but none of them can until they invest in youth. You can already see that in Manchester City's poor Champions League form.

You can't buy love with money, all you will get are gold diggers.

/rant

eelir wrote:

Dutti wrote:

eelir wrote:

and I don't think you can read. Not the whole post at least.

A post written by a goof ain't for the ones with sense. What say you math prof?

I say this: First, I am a very close to obtain my engineering phd, so you were not wrong to call me a math prof. Second, you just made my ignore list, so whatever you write after this, I wont read as I have seen enough stupidity from you in less then 2 posts. I see you read my posts selectively, and reply with idiotic statements in order to provoke a reaction, therefore here is my reaction to you. You are not worthy of my time!

Dutti wrote:

eelir wrote:

Dutti wrote:

A post written by a goof ain't for the ones with sense. What say you math prof?

I say this: First, I am a very close to obtain my engineering phd, so you were not wrong to call me a math prof. Second, you just made my ignore list, so whatever you write after this, I wont read as I have seen enough stupidity from you in less then 2 posts. I see you read my posts selectively, and reply with idiotic statements in order to provoke a reaction, therefore here is my reaction to you. You are not worthy of my time!

You know, you'd have gained back some of your pride if you had just admitted you made nonsense by saying 2001-2002 was recent.

jibers wrote:

Dutti wrote:

eelir wrote:

I say this: First, I am a very close to obtain my engineering phd, so you were not wrong to call me a math prof. Second, you just made my ignore list, so whatever you write after this, I wont read as I have seen enough stupidity from you in less then 2 posts. I see you read my posts selectively, and reply with idiotic statements in order to provoke a reaction, therefore here is my reaction to you. You are not worthy of my time!

You know, you'd have gained back some of your pride if you had just admitted you made nonsense by saying 2001-2002 was recent.

recent is relati9ve. 10 years is really not that lng tbh

danyjr wrote: Most teams wish they could play like Barça or Spain

Lex wrote:

Donuts wrote:the unimportance of how much we spend in our youth considering clubs spend in the millions as-well and end up halfway in their league *cough Arsenal*

In Donut's world, 3 mllion>>>>>>20million and 4 out of 20 is about half

zizzle wrote:no one is trying to belittle the accomplishments of Barca's academy, i for one wish that every team out there would follow this model and im glad Inter is going in that direction, even if it means a few dry years.

You mentioned Messi being rejected by two clubs, but lets not forget his medical condition, Ronaldo was rejected by Flamengo because they didnt feel he's worth the bus fees that he couldnt afford. He made it anyway.

If Barca's success is to be solely attributed to the work they do in the academy then any model they'd follow would produce the same results, and assuming Messi and Iniesta didnt fit in that model i simply dont see it possible.

Anyway, Barca deserve all the credit for what they achieved with their home grown players, after all they had the right forumla. Sure it helps to teach tactical concepts to 7 year olds, but not every 7 year old cant be turned into Messi, you have to find the right boy first. Unless you believe that talent is secondary to practice and that's a different debate.