Israel (are the most brainwashed people on earth) vs Palestina

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws-mhts2KlA

We have Iran /ME residents here ? stay safe guys

The Middle East is about to go to serious war.

Israel announced today that it will retaliate against Iran, and Channel 11 reported that Israeli fighter jets are ready.

Iran has announced that if Israel attacks them, Iran will retaliate again with a much larger number of… pic.twitter.com/ISQwCEd1Z0

— Megatron (@Megatron_ron) April 15, 2024

Hopefully the retaliation is just as performative as Iran's.

There's a Black Mirror episode that tackles how easy it is to dehumanize a group of people using technology. Israel aren't even really using technology to accomplish the dehumanization of the Palestinians. They're doing it the old-fashioned way.

Some Israelis chanted "death to Arabs" as thousands participated in a nationalist march through a Palestinian area of Jerusalem.

The annual event marks Israel's capture of east Jerusalem in 1967, and is stoking tensions as the Israel-Hamas war rages. https://t.co/nvNojUsCcs

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 5, 2024

If The World Livestreams Genocide

Change It pic.twitter.com/bwe6DdSrOw

— Double Down News (@DoubleDownNews) June 14, 2024

I mean, superpowers rarely care about casualties (even their own), only geopolitical advantage is what they are concerned about

So the US will most likely continue to supply the weapons if it benefits them regardless of almost anything, until they decide its not in their interest anyrmoe

That video is so NSFW it made me sick btw. Serious trigger warning

Myesyats wrote:I mean, superpowers rarely care about casualties (even their own), only geopolitical advantage is what they are concerned about

So the US will most likely continue to supply the weapons if it benefits them regardless of almost anything, until they decide its not in their interest anyrmoe

That video is so NSFW it made me sick btw. Serious trigger warning

All facts and Joe Biden especially, the self-admitted Zionist, will always continue to arm Israel. Quote from an intercept article from 2021 regarding Israels 1982 invasion of Lebanon: "Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israel’s invasion when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.”


Gotta love our american "democracy". A great choice of two geriatric Islamophobes who should be in a nursing home eating tapioca pudding not running a country.

Israel has a right to defend itself. I have empathy for the civilians impacted by this conflict... but this is exactly what terrorist organizations like Hamas do: They attack civilians, then hide behind civilians. Since civilians are the ones dying in all circumstances, it makes any retaliation against them complicated for proper governments.

The nice thing is that the Israelis have the balls to see it through. After all the suffering, the Palestinians will be far better off in the long run with Hamas.

I'm a refugee from Iran and have suffered greatly at the hands of fundamentalist Islamic regimes. So I know exactly what their tactics and end game involve. Forget religion... they are after maintaining power at all costs. Since their policies and economies, all fail the people, they keep themselves in place by creating an enemy and causing conflict with that enemy whenever their power on the people is slipping. Simple.

I'd be celebrating in the streets if every single one of the bearded, flea-infested, fundamentalists, and their enablers, were killed. Would be a wonderful day for humanity when it happens.

^big lolz
i'm sorry you never grew a beard, Sportz

"Israel has a right to defend itself"

In psychology all responses are defensive mechanism, this argument to justify Israel is just nonsense. Because what actions or atrocity couldn't be considered defense?

Is Hamas not defending itself? From their perspective Israel is the aggressor who took their land and are under Israel occupation.

We could also use Nazi Germany, didn't they consider Jews and other minorities as a threat inside their country? That was also self defense.

Name me an atrocity or carnage, i'll show you self defense.

Israel cannot commit warcrimes and genocide which is what they've been doing even pre-war and have completely normalized it through brainwashing. It's like a social experiment this damn country. They are defending itself from the what they themself created. At least let normal people evacuate, but they dont want it, they want total genocide.

Blue wrote:"Israel has a right to defend itself"

In psychology all responses are defensive mechanism, this argument to justify Israel is just nonsense. Because what actions or atrocity couldn't be considered defense?

Is Hamas not defending itself? From their perspective Israel is the aggressor who took their land and are under Israel occupation.

We could also use Nazi Germany, didn't they consider Jews and other minorities as a threat inside their country? That was also self defense.

Name me an atrocity or carnage, i'll show you self defense.

Do you know the history of Palestine before Israel?  Do you know why Israel had to occupy to begin with?  After they left Gaza, do you know what the early years looked like and the events that led to Israel hardening its stance against Palestinians?

Can you explain to me why the only country not giving aid to Gaza is the one with the longest border with it... namely, Egypt?  Israel asked Egypt to temporarily allow civilians to stay in Egypt until they could clear Gaza... but Egypt refused.  Why?  They want nothing to do with Hamas.  They don't want to risk Hamas members infiltrating their country.

We're all occupying someone else's "historical land".  South, Central and North America should be returned to the indigenous then.  Pakistan shouldn't exist because it became a country after WW2 as well.  Ukraine should not either because it has always been part of Russia historically.

You don't give in to terrorists EVER.  Not a single inch.  My family (many were tortured and killed) were victims of "giving an inch".  They're cancer that needs to be rooted out with brute force since that's all they understand.  Will there be collateral damage?  Of course.  They're terrorists.  They don't give two shits about civilians, whether foreign or domestic.  Otherwise, they wouldn't have hijacked international aid intended to help their people to buy weapons and build tunnels or build their bunkers underneath hospitals.  If they weren't cowards of the worst kind, the leaders wouldn't be in luxury hotels in Qatar while their "soldiers" and people suffered + died.

Fuck the Palestinian governments (not sure how many there are nowadays) and all these theocratic Arab countries that support terror groups.  Really, fuck them with a big giant dildo.  If they wanted to help their people, then they would. Instead, they participate in proxy wars to create chaos because, if the chaos ends, then their reason for retaining power disappears and their people would ask what the government is doing for them.. which is mostly nothing.  I feel bad for the people of Palestine and every innocent civilian in the world... but very rarely for the people in the ruling organizations that are the cause of the suffering of people.

sportsczy wrote:  Ukraine should not either because it has always been part of Russia historically.

It has been part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth too, differents parts that constitute modern day Ukraine were under Polish control for more than 400 years. Putin often in his propaganda says that we want to divide Ukraine in half between us and Russia. I dont think that means they dont deserve their own state

I just wanted to add to that point, how Putin uses half-truths at best in his narrative

Myesyats wrote:

sportsczy wrote:  Ukraine should not either because it has always been part of Russia historically.

It has been part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth too, differents parts that constitute modern day Ukraine were under Polish control for more than 400 years. Putin often in his propaganda says that we want to divide Ukraine in half between us and Russia. I dont think that means they dont deserve their own state

I just wanted to add to that point, how Putin uses half-truths at best in his narrative

My point exactly. Isreal isn't occupying Palestine. They own it. It's now Isreal. Get over it and move on. If the Palestinian people would stop with their nonsensical claim and work on integrating into Israel, while maintaining their culture... the suffering would end almost overnight. But if your goal is "from the river to the sea", which calls for the genocide of Isreal, then Isreal will treat you in kind. I'm surprised that Isreal hasn't exterminated them by now frankly. If someone was calling for my genocide, i would destroy them at first opportunity.

Israel has always been a settler-colonial project, they used to say it publicly at the beginning but now shy away from that reality. "we came here to kill the natives and build our own ethnostate" doesn't make a great soundbite in the 21th century.

sportsczy wrote:

Myesyats wrote:

sportsczy wrote:  Ukraine should not either because it has always been part of Russia historically.

It has been part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth too, differents parts that constitute modern day Ukraine were under Polish control for more than 400 years. Putin often in his propaganda says that we want to divide Ukraine in half between us and Russia. I dont think that means they dont deserve their own state

I just wanted  to add to that point, how Putin uses half-truths at best in  his narrative

My point exactly.   Isreal isn't occupying Palestine.  They own it.  It's now Isreal.  Get over it and move on.  If the Palestinian people would stop with their nonsensical claim and work on integrating into Israel, while maintaining their culture...  the suffering would end almost overnight.  But if your goal is "from the river to the sea", which calls for the genocide of Isreal, then Isreal will treat you in kind.  I'm surprised that Isreal hasn't exterminated them by now frankly.  If someone was calling for my genocide, i would destroy them at first opportunity.

Well i would say that you cant just accept to live under a regime that torments you day in day out. Conversely you cant expect Israel to act rationally when faced with an existential threat. It's a very complex issue to solve

At the end of the day the more powerful one wins, not necessarily the one who is in the right

They torment you because you openly state you want to kill every Israeli from the start. That's what from the "river to the sea" means. And even then, Isreal still gave them a chance... and Hamas immediately took over the government.

Collective punishment is never justified, not everyone in proper Palestine wants all jews dead.

In fact by bombing them you're more likely to radicalize them and get them to support Hamas.

Pedram wrote:Israel has always been a settler-colonial project, they used to say it publicly at the beginning but now shy away from that reality. "we came here to kill the natives and build our own ethnostate" doesn't make a great soundbite in the 21th century.

The English owned the land that is now Israel and gave it to the jewish people because they didn't want to exterminate the Jews in the UK like Hitler but definitely wanted to get rid of them. Long history of anti-semitism. Other European countries joined in the "solution". After WW2, Jewish people had enough of being persecuted and decided to control their own destiny by accepting the hostile land + defending it. Completely within their right. Arabs tried to immediately eliminate the Jews... and failed miserably.

Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England

sportsczy wrote:

Pedram wrote:Israel has always been a settler-colonial project, they used to say it publicly at the beginning but now shy away from that reality. "we came here to kill the natives and build our own ethnostate" doesn't make a great soundbite in the 21th century.

The English owned the land that is now Israel and gave it to the jewish people because they didn't want to exterminate the Jews in the UK like Hitler but definitely wanted to get rid of them.  Long history of anti-semitism.  Other European countries joined in the "solution".  After WW2, Jewish people had enough of being persecuted and decided to control their own destiny by accepting the hostile land + defending it.  Completely within their right.  Arabs tried to immediately eliminate the Jews... and failed miserably.

Read this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England

Things like these sometimes makes me question the fact that allies "won the war", while it does feels like Nazi ideology lost tactically in the battlefield, everything to this day proves they won strategically, by sending back the Jews to somewhere else other than Europe.

Not to mention the fact that after the war allied countries refused to persecute many Nazi leaders and in some cases even gave them protection.

Pedram wrote:

sportsczy wrote:

Pedram wrote:Israel has always been a settler-colonial project, they used to say it publicly at the beginning but now shy away from that reality. "we came here to kill the natives and build our own ethnostate" doesn't make a great soundbite in the 21th century.

The English owned the land that is now Israel and gave it to the jewish people because they didn't want to exterminate the Jews in the UK like Hitler but definitely wanted to get rid of them.  Long history of anti-semitism.  Other European countries joined in the "solution".  After WW2, Jewish people had enough of being persecuted and decided to control their own destiny by accepting the hostile land + defending it.  Completely within their right.  Arabs tried to immediately eliminate the Jews... and failed miserably.

Read this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England

Things like these sometimes makes me question the fact that allies "won the war", while it does feels like Nazi ideology lost tactically in the battlefield, everything to this day proves they won strategically, by sending back the Jews to somewhere else other than Europe.

Not to mention the fact that after the war allied countries refused to persecute many Nazi leaders and in some cases even gave them protection.

It's disgusting. That's why I react so harshly to Western "morality". You caused the problem to begin with! I only see victims in places like the Middle East, including the Jewish people. Everyone has a right to survive. Anyone who calls for the extermination of another group deserves exactly that IMO. I'm not pro-Israel other than their right to survive. But I am anti-Hamas and any similar terrorist organization... absolutely no doubt about that.

A lot of history is filled with propaganda and revisionism. Like how you are supposed to believe that Israel was created by just buying lands, no it wasn't Israel was created through Zionism terrorism and Palestinian were forced out at gun point. Founding members of Hamas formed out of that. No i don't agree with Hamas, but Israel is responsible for creating them, in fact until Oct 7th Israel were supporting Hamas because they saw him as useful to continue them as the voice of Palestinian people. Israel continues to kill every non violence voice, and in the west they brand anyone against Israel in its current form antisemite.

There is also a myth how Isreal defeated many Arab countries to gain independence, like it was some sort of david vs goliath. In reality those arab countries put little resource and military into fighting Israel, while Israel had a larger military personals vs those countries combined. Also Israel was backed by the brits.

I do believe in a two state solution, but as long as US, UK, and the rest support Israel at a unhinged level, there will be no peace. Israel will get serious about a two state solution once they fight their wars within their capacity, not with US and others taxpayers money.

Hamas is a hinderance to the Palestinian people, because violence doesn't work against a far superior military power, non violence is their only hope at the current form.

WW2? Kinda funny how soviet union did much more into stopping Nazi Germany than US and UK. Yet many believe those countries were responsible for stopping Hitler. Stalin and communism, doesn't help good vs evil narrative.

Also funny how apparently it was stop Nazi from controlling the world, yet the Brits did actually did that, what do they say "The sun never set on the British empire."

Today is there a country with more control and interference in other countries than USA?

Sports you mentioned Egypt, who is led by a US backed dictator Sisi.

US foreign policy is motivated by the military industry complex, whos aim is continuous wars. Because profits can only be achieved through continous wars, not peace. Peace is not profitable for them obviously.

The British didn't buy land.  The League of Nations in the 1920s gave the British "Mandatory Palestine" which was part of the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine.  Gave them international authority to rule the area.

Similarly, you had Mandate for Syria and the Lebanon that was given to the French as a FYI.

The Arab Revolt occurred in 1935.  

During the summer of that year, thousands of Jewish-farmed acres and orchards were destroyed. Jewish civilians were attacked and killed, and some Jewish communities, such as those in Beisan (Beit She'an) and Acre, fled to safer areas.  The violence abated for about a year while the British sent the Peel Commission to investigate.

Then World War 2 happened...  after which you had 250,000 Jewish refugees that were stranded in displaced persons (DP) camps in Europe.

The Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in 1946 set out a solution to the newly formed UN to allow the displaced Jews to settle in parts of Palestine so that, basically, the Europeans could get rid of the Jews.  On 29 November 1947, the UN General Assembly, voting 33 to 13, with 10 abstentions, adopted a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of the Plan of Partition with Economic Union... essentially creating the Jewish and Palestinian states.

The Jewish Agency, which was the Jewish state-in-formation, accepted the plan, and nearly all the Jews in Palestine rejoiced at the news.  The partition plan was rejected by the Palestinian Arab leadership and by most of the Arab population.  Meeting in Cairo on November and December 1947, the Arab League then adopted a series of resolutions endorsing a military solution to the conflict.

The Arab League tried to attack and obliterate the Jews.  They failed.  The 1948 Arab–Israeli War saw Israel win overwhelmingly and it could have taken over more than just Palestine if it wanted to... but the UN asked it to stop.

I'll stop here.

Bottom line:  The Arabs and Palestinians tried to exterminate the Jews.  The Europeans expelled the Jews to Palestine.  Isreal fought with no help btw.  Although the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents, Arabs and Jews.  US help came afterwards. in a very real way, the Europeans and the US initially left Israel at the mercy of the Arabs with perhaps the hope that the Arabs would essentially get rid of their "Jewish problem" once and for all.

So you see, the Palestinians don't have a single leg to stand on.  They refused the two-state solution thinking they would just obliterate the Jews.  When that didn't happen and they got routed, they wanted to go back to the terms of the agreement that they had refused... prior to attacking.  Not how it works.

Learn history.  It will help you.

History more like revisionism.

Zionist was a radical and extremist movement, you know where it came from? Eastern Europe, it was competing with other bolsheviks and other anarchist who believed in overthrowing their country.

Sports see the early zionism just people trying to live their life, and those barbaric arabs trying to exterminate them. While in reality they were more like radicals that were willing to do anything to claim a Jewish state.

Truth of the matter is no one would be okay with what Zionism did. You know the narrative of how Islam/refugees is trying to take over Europe, that is exactly what Zionism did. Instead of the caliphate, they established Israel.