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Post by Le Samourai Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:58 pm

Whatever.......this is bullshit......he is a LWB and he is clearly the best at that position.......there is no point arguing with you people.

Everyone who say's he can't defend is like saying Torres is still the best striker in the Premeir Leauge.Please enter this decade.

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Post by izzy Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:00 pm

ragbirjosh wrote:Whatever.......this is bullshit......he is a LWB and he is clearly the best at that position.......there is no point arguing with you people.

Everyone who say's he can't defend is like saying Torres is still the best striker in the Premeir Leauge.Please enter this decade.

What are you on about?

What brilliant defensive performance has Marcelo put in that no one but you, Omarish and Ganso saw?
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Post by Nishankly Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:01 pm

Enrique has been a rock this season.

But its too early to call him the best. He is WC. :coffee:
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:02 pm

ragbirjosh wrote:Whatever.......this is bullshit......he is a LWB and he is clearly the best at that position.......there is no point arguing with you people.

Everyone who say's he can't defend is like saying Torres is still the best striker in the Premeir Leauge.Please enter this decade.

Coming from the guy who is 16, who claim's Matthaus is better than Xavi when he retired when he was 5 years old Laughing
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Post by Le Samourai Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:05 pm

He dosen't have to put on a brilliant defensive Performance to have imporoved at defensively.

And any performance I name will be dicarded because they ween't against notable players or some excuse will be provided.

He is the bes LWB in the world and is good defensively............it's the same thing as Alves a couple years ago when people failed to realise that the guy could actually defend........time will ensure the deteriration of your views....all I have to do is sit back and watch.
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Post by Doc Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:06 pm

kiranr wrote:Gael Clichy

Let's not get carried away now, probably could have named Abidal instead or something. Also, is there something wrong with what Maldini said? If he finds him a good/great player, let him be.
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Post by Le Samourai Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:07 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
ragbirjosh wrote:Whatever.......this is bullshit......he is a LWB and he is clearly the best at that position.......there is no point arguing with you people.

Everyone who say's he can't defend is like saying Torres is still the best striker in the Premeir Leauge.Please enter this decade.

Coming from the guy who is 16, who claim's Matthaus is better than Xavi when he retired when he was 5 years old Laughing

Cool story bro.......I've watched many Matthaus games.......and yes I think he's better than Xavi..........I don't see the relevance of my age to the matter.


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Post by McLewis Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:08 pm

To be the best, you have to play brilliantly against the best and not just one or two games. It has to be a consistent run.

Has Marcelo done this?
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Post by lszanto Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:10 pm

Nishank wrote:Enrique has been a rock this season.

But its too early to call him the best. He is WC. :coffee:

This, as much as I had to admit it of a pool player, he has been really good both in attack and in defence.
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Post by EarlyPrototype Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:11 pm

Marcelo played bad vs Barca? haters continue to make shit up. You people make it sound like Dani Alves did a "Bale on Maicon" shit.
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Post by izzy Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:12 pm

ragbirjosh wrote:He dosen't have to put on a brilliant defensive Performance to have imporoved at defensively.

And any performance I name will be dicarded because they ween't against notable players or some excuse will be provided.

He is the bes LWB in the world and is good defensively............it's the same thing as Alves a couple years ago when people failed to realise that the guy could actually defend........time will ensure the deteriration of your views....all I have to do is sit back and watch.

I'm not like that. Provide the performance and i'll consider it. I'm nothing if not reasonable.

But I'm sorry, it's a simple fundamental that comes with playing LB, you need to be able to actually be solid defensively. Marcelo ain't.

When the team is up against, is it too much too ask to have your LB to focus soley on his defensive duties? Alves proved himself defensively at Sevilla, don't know who doesn't know this?

He needs to shape-up. Nothing against him attacking wise, but when on D........ I always know the attack is coming down his side.
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Post by izzy Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:15 pm

McLewis wrote:To be the best, you have to play brilliantly against the best and not just one or two games. It has to be a consistent run.

Has Marcelo done this?
No he hasn't.

EarlyPrototype wrote:Marcelo played bad vs Barca? haters continue to make shit up. You people make it sound like Dani Alves did a "Bale on Maicon" shit.

This is what i'm talking about. The guy sucks defensively. Period. Against any decent winger he gets disgraced. Don't care if it was Barca or *bleep* Wigan, he sucks defensively.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:16 pm

EarlyPrototype wrote:Marcelo played bad vs Barca? haters continue to make shit up. You people make it sound like Dani Alves did a "Bale on Maicon" shit.

Yh and you fanboys continue to act like he was brilliant in every single game, even when hes average in a game hes still somehow brilliant and you somehow find a way to deflect his mistakes to another player.....

Props. Laughing
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Post by jibers Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:16 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
ragbirjosh wrote:Whatever.......this is bullshit......he is a LWB and he is clearly the best at that position.......there is no point arguing with you people.

Everyone who say's he can't defend is like saying Torres is still the best striker in the Premeir Leauge.Please enter this decade.

Coming from the guy who is 16, who claim's Matthaus is better than Xavi when he retired when he was 5 years old Laughing

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Post by Doc Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:18 pm

Alves and defensive usually doesn't go hand in hand really. What Alves has going for him is his insane stamina and speed to which he uses it effectively, very effectively in fact. Alves also knows when to go forward and when to not forward, that usually comes with experience.

Roberto Carlos was never solid defensively but still was an amazing LB. The whole "A full back needs to be defensively solid to be great" is kinda a myth. He just needs to understand his position and have some God damn sense really...
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Post by EarlyPrototype Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:18 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
EarlyPrototype wrote:Marcelo played bad vs Barca? haters continue to make shit up. You people make it sound like Dani Alves did a "Bale on Maicon" shit.

Yh and you fanboys continue to act like he was brilliant in every single game, even when hes average in a game hes still somehow brilliant and you somehow find a way to deflect his mistakes to another player.....

Props. Laughing

I said he had a decent game and was good defensively. Laughing

Whereas you didn't even watch the game and continue to say Marcelo gets raped week in week out. Nicely done.
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Post by EarlyPrototype Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:20 pm

Doc wrote: The whole "A full back needs to be defensively solid to be great" is kinda a myth. He just needs to understand his position and have some God damn sense really...

It only matters when it comes to Marcelo. Even though he is the best performing LB along side Lahm he is still shit. People still live in 2007. Laughing
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:22 pm

Marcelo vs barca? he was average, made some obvious fools in positioning, but in his duels he was good, and won some important balls upfield against messi and sanchez. Still doesnt master when to push up, and when to stay in position, he needs to stay in the video room longer, instead on jumping on ronaldo's bandwagon all the time.

It's the same thing as always, when he wins a tackle you read "Marcela is amazing, omg, what a defender". well, that's the kind of kneejerk we do in the chat. Problem is, when we stop and recognize that it's just a tackle, others carry it on and inflate his performance afterwards.

I dont think he was awful during the game, and defensively he has left the "sucking" level a while ago, but there are still some obvious issues. However, would like to add that, at the end of the game, the team was crumbling apart, no one was holding the lines no more, players rushing forward recklessly to try something, and barca was just countering,
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Post by McLewis Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:23 pm

Doc wrote:Alves and defensive usually doesn't go hand in hand really. What Alves has going for him is his insane stamina and speed to which he uses it effectively, very effectively in fact. Alves also knows when to go forward and when to not forward, that usually comes with experience.

Roberto Carlos was never solid defensively but still was an amazing LB. The whole "A full back needs to be defensively solid to be great" is kinda a myth. He just needs to understand his position and have some God damn sense really...

Like most great full backs, RC3 was known primarily for his attacking prowess. Maldini is an anomaly in that he is primarily known for his defensive prowess at LB and guys like Lahm are known for being equally adept at both. I personally believe that full-backs have a responsibility first to defend and then go forward. Somehow, it's been knocked the other way around and I don't agree with it. full-backs are defenders foremost before they are attackers and so they should be adequately skilled enough to lock down their flanks before marauding forward. Not enough of them do that these days and Marcelo as well as Alves are main offenders.
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Post by izzy Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:24 pm

EarlyPrototype wrote:
Doc wrote: The whole "A full back needs to be defensively solid to be great" is kinda a myth. He just needs to understand his position and have some God damn sense really...

It only matters when it comes to Marcelo. Even though he is the best performing LB along side Lahm he is still shit. People still live in 2007. Laughing

Yeah, It does. Because he's a *bleep* LB who can't even get his positioning right. He in NO WAY is up there with Lahm.

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Post by Zealous Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:24 pm

Marcelo is one of the best footballers in the world let alone left backs.

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Post by Ganso Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:24 pm

Marcelo ALWAYS has to defend alone,what do you expect?CR and Xabi dont do shet to help him out,another reason hes solid defensively play for Brazil

in the last calssico was one of the few times ive seen someone help him out,and he played well ffs,no one rolled over him


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Post by guest7 Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:26 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:I dont think he was awful during the game, and defensively he has left the "sucking" level a while ago, but there are still some obvious issues. However, would like to add that, at the end of the game, the team was crumbling apart, no one was holding the lines no more, players rushing forward recklessly to try something, and barca was just countering,

This. I even said in chat with Jibers that I find issues in his defensive game, such as he goes for the ball instead of covering his man too often, but defensively he is solid, and he has reached a point where he can handle both roles (defense and the attack)
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:27 pm

Ganso wrote:Marcelo ALWAYS has to defend alone,what do you expect?CR and Xabi dont do shet to help him out,another reason hes solid defensively play for Brazil

in the last el calssico was one of the few times ive seen someone help him out,and he played well ffs,no one rolled over him

excuse me? since when has Marcelo become "solid defensively" for Brazil? what game has he played in? what competition?


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Post by EarlyPrototype Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:27 pm

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Doc wrote: The whole "A full back needs to be defensively solid to be great" is kinda a myth. He just needs to understand his position and have some God damn sense really...

It only matters when it comes to Marcelo. Even though he is the best performing LB along side Lahm he is still shit. People still live in 2007. Laughing

Yeah, It does. Because he's a *bleep* LB who can't even get his positioning right. He in NO WAY is up there with Lahm.


He is easily up there with any left back. He got his positioning right against Barca. Also only reason most attacks come down the right flank is because he is always flying up the LW providing in attack.
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Post by izzy Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:28 pm

Ganso wrote:Marcelo ALWAYS has to defend alone,what do you expect?CR and Xabi dont do shet to help him out,another reason hes solid defensively play for Brazil

in the last el calssico was one of the few times ive seen someone help him out,and he played well ffs,no one rolled over him

Defend alone? DEFEND ALONE!!!!!!?

The amount of times i've seen Pepe and Ramos covering him is a joke.

That arguement is bullcrap.
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