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Post by Arquitecto Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:19 pm

Luton is a team i really feel for this week.

Edwards is manager I rate given he makes well with the squad he has at his disposal which is a poor one, really.

Their week reflects the direct opposite of Villa in a sense. The latter won two convincing wins against City & Arsenal whereas Luton lost both leads against the same teams and it was a shame to see how devastated their manager was during both times.

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Post by Vibe Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:49 pm

Arquitecto wrote:GJ is great. Great football IQ, constant micro-movements to anticipate the ball and moves to the right places to invite players to better positions and does the work others simply dont.


Those are great qualities to have but you can afford a lone striker like that when you have killers on the sides, like you could have Firmino do Firmino things when Salah and Mane are prolific, but Marrinelli and Saka aren't and in my opinion Arsenal needs to think about that.
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Post by sportsczy Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:54 pm

El Gunner wrote:that's what i meant, if the club is good it can change your mind
Yes that's my point. United can't attract players as a destination. They have to be very good or have a project that's going towards them becoming very good... or they need to overpay for players who are only about the money (which is a losing proposition).

As an example, PSG became good because Paris is a destination, they signed Carlo Ancellotti as the manager AND they could overpay. That was their early success. Once they moved away from the sporting project and just became a galactico team, they actually got worse.

The teams with Ibra, Silva, Thiago Motta, Matuidi, Lavezzi, Pastore, etc. with Blanc as the manager were actually the best. They just ran into prime Barca like everyone else.
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Post by Firenze Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:12 pm

firstly, PSG never became good nor have they attracted anyone elite outside of giving Mbappe a billion to stay lol and Ibra, I guess, nobody else were ever superstar status, Messi was finished when he joined for a billion himself or whatever it was, and flopped badly there

barely scraping through the CL and consistently not living up to expectations, when they signed the likes of Ibra etc they still achieved nothing outside of that farmer league...nobody in 2023 is queuing up to join PSG unless they're getting PAID

and secondly no team outside of maybe City has signed more 'top' players than we have in the last decade, consistently

We have no trouble attracting top players, our troubles lie elsewhere

we overpay EVERYONE...always have, because we make so much money, even entry lvl players like Rojo were on like 150K pw here

We could finish 6th the next 10 years in a row and we still have more pull than Arsenal, PSG etc for elite players
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Post by El Gunner Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:28 pm

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Post by Firenze Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:35 pm

when's the last time u signedan elite talent in their prime? ozil? lol

you haven't been an attractive destination ever...lack the finances and the stature

We do it damn near every summer

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Post by El Gunner Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:46 pm

all i know is every single player in my team outperforms every single player on your team
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Post by Firenze Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:48 pm

you've had one good season in the last decade and ended up with nothing

enjoy your moment though
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Post by Myesyats Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:57 pm

Firenze wrote:when's the last time u signedan elite talent in their prime?

When have Man Utd?
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Post by El Gunner Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:42 pm

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Post by Myesyats Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:04 pm

Myesyats wrote:
Firenze wrote:when's the last time u signedan elite talent in their prime?

When have Man Utd?

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Post by Firenze Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:10 pm

doesn't warrant a response

you're not a serious person

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Post by Myesyats Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:16 pm

I'm sure you're about to bring up Antony as an elite talent so who;s serious and who's not
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Post by Firenze Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:16 pm



I remember wanting to sign him when he was at Leverkusen, such a shame he never ended up at a top team where he had a realistic chance of trophies, still the GOAT asian player
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Post by sportsczy Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:38 am

You don't think Cavani, Silva, etc. were superstars?  Not to mention Messi, Neymar and Mbappe.  Let's also talk about the acquisitions of Marquinhos, Verratti, Thiago Motta, and others as well.

Other than Pogba, I can't think of one player United has acquired in that category since SAF left.

That's just a weird comment Firenze.
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Post by Arquitecto Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:14 am

Man Firenze being a GL elite has me forget he's elevated himself to God-tier banter status Laughing

PSG will always be attractive from here. They've won countless Ligue 1s by now and their branding is just brilliant, taking advantage of neo-parisien culture along with Jordan being their shirt sponsor to being a constant presence in the UCL.

Messi being there made them known worldwide. I can't see any downside from here
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Post by Arquitecto Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:16 am

That being said my favourite time for them if not a time I was rooting for them was when Carlo came in to replace Koumbouare, who was replaced a bit undeservedly and Carlo literally lost the Ligue 1 he worked for, but it was the first true kickstart of the Paris era.
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Post by Arquitecto Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:22 am

And I dont want to hear anymore hype over Poch especially from Barrileto & co. who endlessly did.

Bum coach who only is good at developing certain youth but really has no long term vision and plays shit football. Belongs back in Spurs.
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Post by sportsczy Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:37 pm

My favorite time Arqi was Carlo and then Blanc. You had kids like Verratti and Rabiot coming up. Matuidi was there to clean up. Ibra and Silva were in their absolute prime. And then you had fun players like Lavezzi, Pastore, Lucas Moura, etc. It started going a bit sideways when Cavani joined and Ibra was offended by the move.

What a player Cavani was though. He was playing box-to-box CF lol.
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Post by Nishankly Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:49 am

Certainly didn't expect Liverpool to be doing so well considering the mass clear out. We've lost one game in the PL and that was a fraud result. I do believe our greatest strength is our squad depth. We've won what? 18 points from losing positions this season! Ultimately it's the fact that our bench is so different to the first team, essentially teams end up playing 3 different Liverpool styles across 90 mins and they usually cannot handle it.

I do believe Arsenal have a "fluider" starting 11 in terms of playing football than us but I do think we have a more impactful squad than them. Arteta rotates barely 2 players while Klopp makes on average 6 changes every game, maybe that is the luxury of playing in the EL but playing Quansah in an away PL game during December, I don't think other title challengers would run that risk.

Basically this Liverpool team has: Alisson, Trent, CB, Virgil, Robertson, DM, CM, Szoboszlai, LW, CF, Salah. There are essentially 5 positions that are up for grabs for everyone.

One thing that led us to winning the title was the experience against City in a title race. If you remember that Liverpool season, it brought out the Arsenal fans celebrating the Invincibles day again after 10 years. Arsenal are simply not showing enough in that ruthlessness department after experiencing the same. Grinding wins would win you a title 10 years back but not anymore, it catches up to you when you are against City. This applies to the current Liverpool as well.

Again, I do not think both teams have what it takes to beat this City side across a year. Especially when an angry KDB comes back.
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Post by El Gunner Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:10 am

How do you not include Alexi MacAllister as one of your essential players?
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Post by Nishankly Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:19 am

El Gunner wrote:How do you not include Alexi MacAllister as one of your essential players?


He's currently playing the makeshift DM position due to our failure to bring in Lavia and then Caceido and then Andre. He often does not play very well within the role and is replaced, leading to Trent going into 6 or Jones+Szob being a double pivot for the last part of a game. Endo hasn't shown enough but he wouldn't need much to make that 6 position his and force Mac up the field.

We most certainly need a mobile destroyer with the Trent inverted system and Mac is not it. I am quite sure if not in January, we will bring in a pure 6 in the summer. That would mean Mac competes with Jones and Gravenberch for that CM role.
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Post by El Gunner Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:33 am

and Mac should be playing in that advanced role over Jones and Graven imo
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Post by Nishankly Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:11 am

Ideally yeah he should make that spot his.

It’s going to be City, Arsenal and then Liverpool in that order for the top3 imo. 4th placed team will be far away. I do not expect to lose or even draw to Arsenal at Anfield but I certainly think they’ve got a nailed down system and starting 11, something that we will probably have next season. That will guide them to 2nd place while we draw a couple of away games and finish 3rd. This season though is a great opportunity for Arsenal to win the league.
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Post by El Gunner Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:14 am

we have a mental block, we're definitely not winning at Anfield even if we are the better team/play better on the day... best we can hope for is a fighting draw
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Post by Vibe Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:32 am

Is it down to the manager?

When you look at Klopp he seems like the guy who can get in the dressing room and make the players squeeze every ounce of performance out of them, while Arteta doesn't seem like that.

Just an observation though, could be wrong.
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