Euromaidan demonstrations & Russia's intervention in Ukraine

The thinking is that Russians should bleed and suffer economically and demographically is success enough, without Ukraine "winning" per se (that is misguided thinking)

Backing out paves way for full annexation of Ukraine in the future and a power shift in the Black Sea, so where is the success in that.

The only way I can rationalize this is, the West wants to establish a peace now to rebuild and prepare for a great war in 10-15 years. But then they'll risk their own men and women whereas now only Ukrainians suffer casualties. Everyone felt now is the right time to go all out but I guess not

Let’s drop a nuke on Kyiv. If I can’t have it then none shall have it!

Experts say the missile is more powerful than the Oreshnik used by Russia to strike Ukraine last week, but has been beset by 'catastrophic' failures

Imagine Ruzzia fires a nuke and it explodes on launch

Gen. Keith Kellogg, who Trump just named "Special Envoy for Ukraine and Russia," has said the "end game" for the war is "evicting the Russians from Ukraine," including the Donbas and Crimea, resulting in the downfall of Putin. "I don't think there's going to be any negotiations" pic.twitter.com/vJwcCtoqah

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) November 27, 2024

I knew from the beginning it was just campaign talk from Trump. He’s gonna want to finish Putin while the chance presents itself

Zelenskyy
"I am ready to stop the war in exchange for NATO membership, even if the Russian Federation does not immediately return our captured territories"-Sky News.

Wow...

— WarMonitor (@WarMonitor3) November 29, 2024

I want to see the peace talks unfold and Putin agree to Nato troops patrolling a demilitarized zone

Before 2022 Russia had a border of 1200km with NATO, now they have 2560km even without Ukraine

I must say Putin succeeded in not having Nato in their backyard

Prior to 2014, NATO and Russia co-operated via the Partnership for Peace initiative, which included joint military exercises and peacekeeping missions.

Russia supported NATO in Afghanistan by providing logistics.

Putin has expressed his desire to join several times but, as reported, only in fleeting conversations. There are conditions to be met for potential members though, and Russia's false/phony democratic process and poisoning of political opponents has always been an insurmountable obstacle.

They promised they wouldn't expand NATO after the cold war and they broke it

It's Putin's narrative. There was no legally binding agreement signed that would state this and Gorbachev later admitted in interviews that the conversations were about military infrastructure in East Germany, not about NATO membership in general.

It's a Russian propaganda trick to paint NATO as some monster that is lurking in the shadows, while it is the opposite. A reformed, truly democratic Russia would face no opposition to join

I have visegrad24 blocked lmfao. Just say what part you think is false.

The promise "not to expand NATO" was debunked by Gorbachev himself, there is really nothing to debate on that point. And no agreement of that sort was ever signed

I know that NATO enlargement is seen as an existential threat by Russia, and perhaps rightly so by the optics of it, but for countries that apply to join its existential too. Matter of perspective.

You think Finland and Sweden joined because they plan to attack Russia? This is the purest form of Russian propaganda

I am part of a friend groupchat and someone shared the tweet to explain the situation.. it literally doesnt matter anyway

Why the attitude tho? Someone who doesnt respond to the argument but rather focus on non-important technicalities is unserious

I didn't take any jab at you and you respond to me like I've insulted you? You literally didn't respond to any of the arguments

Pedram wrote:

Myesyats wrote:Before 2022 Russia had a border of 1200km with NATO, now they have 2560km even without Ukraine

I must say Putin succeeded in not having Nato in their backyard

They promised they wouldn't expand NATO after the cold war and they broke it. the whole existence of NATO was to stop communism and USSR and they succeeded in that, anything after that is just Western hegemonic imperialism trying to expand itself even more and frankly Russia has a right to resist that.

Btw didn't Putin say in the Tucker Carlson interview that before all of this in 2010, he personally asked the Western diplomats if Russia could join NATO and they rejected him point blank? like they didn't even want to entertain the idea of peace between Russia and the West. it's obvious to anyone who doesn't have a agenda that NATO wants war with Russia, they never wanted peace and they practically forced this war onto the region and unfortunately Ukrainian people are paying the price.

In 2012 Obama made fun of Romney for suggesting that Russia was a threat. 12 years later Putin has proved Russia is still an expansionist empire and has convinced formerly neutral European countries they need to get insurance against him in the form of NATO. That's an own goal, regardless of whether NATO should have been expanded in the 90s or not.

If we're talking about broken promises what about Russia's promise to never invade Ukraine in exchange for their nuclear warheads...

Neither side has the moral high ground, but Putin is the one currently attempting a genocide.

They want to retain their territorial gains..

For this deal to make sense they should withdraw to the previous borders, otherwise this is imperialism and colonialism and is in no way acceptable. The only way I see this working is if Ukraine gets nuclear weapons back again as a security guarantee because the deal is too one-sided